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Sen. Nelson faces weird gambit

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For the purposes of this thread, I'm assuming that he's actually being offered the position.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska has been approached about becoming agriculture secretary in the Bush administration, according to two sources.

His appointment could add a second Democrat to Bush's Cabinet, as well as possibly increasing the GOP's Senate majority.

Republican Gov. Mike Johanns would get to choose Nelson's replacement, which could increase the GOP's advantage in the Senate to 56 seats.

Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman announced her resignation Monday.

President Bush's top political adviser, Karl Rove, spoke to Nelson about the possibility in a telephone conversation last Friday, according to the two sources familiar with their conversation. Nelson has thus far declined to accept what the sources described as an offer or solicitation.

Nelson told CNN he could not confirm or deny that an offer from Rove was made, adding that he is "happy" in his current job.

But when pressed as to whether he would consider the job if Bush offered it, Nelson said, "Any time the president talks, you listen."

Attempts to reach Rove for comment were not immediately successful. His office would not confirm or deny a specific conversation with Nelson, adding that it is Rove's practice not to divulge private conversations with members of Congress.

Two Bush administration officials said they were not aware of any job offer or discussion of a Cabinet post with Nelson. However, one of the officials confirmed that Rove spoke with Nelson in recent days, characterizing the call as an effort to reach out to discuss second-term priorities.

Nelson, 63, a former two-term governor, faces a potentially tough re-election race in 2006, running as a Democrat in a state that Bush carried by 33 points. However, the Nebraska moderate has been willing to cross the aisle to support Bush's agenda, including his tax cuts and the war in Iraq.

Given Nelson's past work with the administration, a senior administration aide said he had "certainly the profile of someone we would look at" because of his past experience as a governor. He also hails from a major farm state.

Currently, the only Democrat in Bush's Cabinet is Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta.
So, if he takes the post, then he'll be replaced with a Republican Senator (bringing the GOP majority up to an incredible 56-43-1), but he also increases the Democratic voice on Bush's cabinet (as if that does shit).

If he doesn't take the post, he'll be hard-pressed to keep his job through the next election since he's from Nebraska but he might pick up some temporary capital with voters since he chose to represent them instead of going over to el presidente.

Of course, it's not remotely clear what being the Secretary of Agriculture DOES, but I'm assuming that if he takes the cabinet position he'll be well-placed to be a fixture on presidential cabinets through at least 2012, and possibly longer if he wants the job.

There's a hell of a lot going on with this. What do you think he should do? What would you do?
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What the hell can he do as Secretary of Agriculture to increase the voice of moderation in the Administration? Nothing. Just stay where he is. If he does chose to go, it'll only strengthen the Republicans' position in the senate. God knows they want to get to that magic number of 60 bad enough you'll entice you with candy.
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Why would you give up a Senate seat for a cabinet post virtually nobody cares about, especially if your party is already in trouble and needs every seat it has?
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If he's smart, he'll keep his seat in the senate. The R's know that his seat will go red if he leaves, which is exactly what they want. :evil:
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RedImperator wrote:Why would you give up a Senate seat for a cabinet post virtually nobody cares about, especially if your party is already in trouble and needs every seat it has?
Because you're in line for the presidency.
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RedImperator wrote:Why would you give up a Senate seat for a cabinet post virtually nobody cares about, especially if your party is already in trouble and needs every seat it has?
Because if he sticks around then he may not be reelected, anyway, and then he will have sacrificed everything for another year of slightly-closer to parity status for his party, which still doesn't have the firepower it needs in the Senate. I actually think this is something of an interesting dilemma.
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RedImperator wrote:Why would you give up a Senate seat for a cabinet post virtually nobody cares about, especially if your party is already in trouble and needs every seat it has?
Because you're in line for the presidency.
Yes, if the President, Vice President, Speaker of the House, President Pro Tempore of the Senate, Secretary of State, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Defense, Attorney General, and the Secretary of the Interior all die or resign, Senator Nelson could become the President of the United States. :P
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RedImperator wrote:Why would you give up a Senate seat for a cabinet post virtually nobody cares about, especially if your party is already in trouble and needs every seat it has?
Because if he sticks around then he may not be reelected, anyway, and then he will have sacrificed everything for another year of slightly-closer to parity status for his party, which still doesn't have the firepower it needs in the Senate. I actually think this is something of an interesting dilemma.
That would depend entirely on what he thinks his reelection chances are. If they're good, it's foolish for him to give up the seat he'll hold until at least 2012 for a post he'll only have until 2008. Also, what committees does Senator Nelson sit on and how much seniority does he have? He might have more power as a Senator than he would as a cabinet secretary.
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He can do far more good in the Senate than being one of Bush's token Democrats in a Cabinet post that no one gives a rat's ass about.
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RedImperator wrote: That would depend entirely on what he thinks his reelection chances are. If they're good, it's foolish for him to give up the seat he'll hold until at least 2012 for a post he'll only have until 2008.
He's a democratic senator from Nebraska. That's always a tough election campaign.
Also, what committees does Senator Nelson sit on and how much seniority does he have? He might have more power as a Senator than he would as a cabinet secretary.
That's entirely possible, but after watching Dascle go down, people in his shoes have to be looking over their shoulders.
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I wouldn't do it, if I were him. He can do more good in the Senate than in a cabinet office that the majority of Americans probably don't know exists due to obscurity.
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It's possible he could do some good as 'a member of the bush administration who prefers to remain anonymous' in various news stories.
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Isn't Nelson one of the moderate Democrates who tends to vote with the Republicans? I seem to recall that he supported Bush's nominations, but maybe I was thinking of someone else.
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Nelson is among the more conservative Democrats. His self-proclaimed big three issues were:
1. Tax cuts
2. Drug benifit for seniors.
3. Protect Social Security.

He is pro-life, hawkish, and I beleive favored by the religious right.

Frankly I care much more about his real biggest issue than any of the above claptrap, namely his push for ethanol. Seeing his hand all over the various ethanol subsidies and legislation gives me sufficient reason to want him to at least have to get a vote for his farmers rather than executive power.

From a personal standpoint I think he might be farther ahead to take the job. Yes it is a dead end, but so is his senate position. At the least this way he doesn't have to fight for a senate seat in the middle of red America. Likewise there is the possibility that he will be carried over into the next administration as a centrist (possibly token centrist) and a sign of cotinuity. If a Republican wins, not necessarily a bad bet, he would be one of the top choices to continue in the position.
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Nelson is a good-ole democrat, which is a Republican-lite.
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