New ST-V-SW Site!

Post by **Dalton** » 2004-11-22 06:29am

DarkSilver wrote:....one question....

why do people lookup to him again?

I'm not that well vested in any one particular branch of science (just a general all roundedness if you would) but even I don't beleive half the shit he spouts....

That's the power of sophistry and bullshit. Creationists have realized it, religious fundamentalists have realized it, psychic readers have realized it and fanatics like Dorkie have realized it. Dress up anything in enough buzzwords, jargon and false intellectualism and you'll have people eating out of the palm of your hand. It takes very little to get someone to believe something that's total bullshit if you know how to sell it. This is why hucksters and scam artists can ply their trade: there's a sucker born every minute, and for every ten suckers you get a free scumbag recruiting them into their little group of believers.

Darkstar has followers because he sounds good. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about, he's passionate about it and, this is key, his followers have an absolute inability to think for themselves. And like a lot of these other dipshits, he actually believes what he's saying. He has, essentially, started The Cult of the VS. Trekkie.

Oh, and this is to the various toadies of Darkstar who I'm sure will report this back to him: it's not too late. You still have many years of school to go; I'm sure that, eventually, enough neurons might start firing for you to at least realize how full of shit your master is. Failing that, well, at least you can look forward to a life in the service industry. Oh, while you're here, please tell Scooter to lick my grundle.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-22 08:10am

Darkstar has followers because a lot of people do not understand how to distinguish between style and substance, and also because a lot of people aren't willing to ask themselves why they should believe an uneducated help-desk operator when he spews scientific jargon as if he knows what it means. He's walking proof of the Google principle, where anybody can make himself sound like he knows what he's talking about thanks to Google. Who needs a fancy education when you've got Google, right?

Antares · Post by **Antares** » 2004-11-22 12:27pm

I think one can easily attract people who dont want to accept certain facts on purpose. Even if they understand, that SW>>ST, they keep their attitude that SW<<ST just because it suits them better.

Those ST fanatics gather togehter and they need a leader who shares their opinion.

Personally i have to confess, that i consider some things on this sw-v-st site (run by Darkstar i guess, right?) valid. But that doesnt change my basic attitude.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-22 12:36pm

Antares wrote:Personally i have to confess, that i consider some things on this sw-v-st site (run by Darkstar i guess, right?) valid. But that doesnt change my basic attitude.

Of course some things are valid, but they're taken out of context. For example, he is correct when he says that an AT-ST is obviously not that tough, based on ROTJ. What he conveniently neglects to mention is that the AT-ST is only a scout vehicle, and as such, is not expected to be super-tough in the first place. That's a good example of the sort of tactics he employs.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-11-22 12:40pm

It's like saying this mine can destroy a Humvee, therefore all US armored vechilces are shit.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-22 12:52pm

frigidmagi wrote:It's like saying this mine can destroy a Humvee, therefore all US armored vechilces are shit.

It would actually be kind of funny to take some of Darkstar's essays and make similarly themed arguments to "prove" that modern US military equipment is worthless. It really wouldn't be hard to adapt the same basic logic, as you just demonstrated. We could also use examples of guys surviving grenades going off nearby to "prove" that grenades are feeble, we could use the survival of certain makeshift wooden structures near ground zero at Nagasaki (albeit not their occupants) to "prove" that nuclear weapons are weak, point out ratios of bullets fired to targets hit in Vietnam to "prove" that US soldiers can't hit the broad side of a barn, etc.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2004-11-22 01:49pm

That is actually an incredibly brilliant idea Mr. Wong. Having dealt with Darkstar a small bit in the past I think such a thing would promote a hilarious response from him. It would also be a good way to show the uninitiated the bullshit of Darkstar style debating, which I am noticing is starting to become a fad among Fan-Wankers of many different Sci-Fi Universes.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2004-11-22 01:51pm

I think the ratio of shots fired to hits in Vietnam was something like 10,000 to one....it was little better in WW2.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2004-11-22 02:02pm

There was also an example of British troops who were overrun by the Zulus (during the Boer war, I think? Not sure, though). It could be used to show why the logic behind "Endor defeat = stormtroopers suck" is flawed, by concluding XIXth century British colonial forces would be easily defeated by Redshirts.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2004-11-22 02:08pm

Islandlwanna is the name of the battle ,I think . I do know it was the 24th infantry regiment that fought in it. then a few hours later you had the battle of Rourkes Drift....

Little Big Horn US 7th cavalry has its ass handed to it by Native American forces under the leadership of Crazy Horse.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-11-22 02:12pm

Typhonis 1 wrote:Islandlwanna is the name of the battle ,I think . I do know it was the 24th infantry regiment that fought in it. then a few hours later you had the battle of Rourkes Drift....

Little Big Horn US 7th cavalry has its ass handed to it by Native American forces under the leadership of Crazy Horse.

Because 1.) the 7th Cavalry was outnumbered by a fair margin, failed to wait for reinforcements, and divided it's forces due to the fact that 2.) Custer was an idiot.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-11-22 02:15pm

Rogue 9 wrote: Because 1.) the 7th Cavalry was outnumbered by a fair margin, failed to wait for reinforcements, and divided it's forces due to the fact that 2.) Custer was an idiot.

You are aware that that's exactly the point, yes?

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-11-22 03:26pm

I was thinking, I can't speak for the rest of you, but I'm tired of not having a proper framework to discuss things over there. There are many morons over there, but what if a compromised could be worked out? That SW EU is canon is not up for negotiation, but what if we allowed the trekkies to include, let's say the TMs into the discussions? Do any of you think they would agree on this?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-22 03:30pm

Mange the Swede wrote:I was thinking, I can't speak for the rest of you, but I'm tired of not having a proper framework to discuss things over there. There are many morons over there, but what if a compromised could be worked out? That SW EU is canon is not up for negotiation, but what if we allowed the trekkies to include, let's say the TMs into the discussions? Do any of you think they would agree on this?

Why isn't it up for negotiation? Darkstar never respected our views on canon policy when he was here.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2004-11-22 03:33pm

Darth Wong wrote:[Of course some things are valid, but they're taken out of context. For example, he is correct when he says that an AT-ST is obviously not that tough, based on ROTJ. What he conveniently neglects to mention is that the AT-ST is only a scout vehicle, and as such, is not expected to be super-tough in the first place.

Actually he does mention it's name but writes an entire paragraph dening its valididy because AT-ST is only found in the EU which is off limits in Darkstar land.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-11-22 03:37pm

Darth Servo wrote:Actually he does mention it's name but writes an entire paragraph dening its valididy because AT-ST is only found in the EU which is off limits in Darkstar land.

Ah yes, I almost forgot his capacity for ignoring the obvious, such as the fact that anyone can look at an AT-ST and see that it is obviously spindly and weak compared to any other kind of walker we've seen.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-11-22 04:43pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Mange the Swede wrote:I was thinking, I can't speak for the rest of you, but I'm tired of not having a proper framework to discuss things over there. There are many morons over there, but what if a compromised could be worked out? That SW EU is canon is not up for negotiation, but what if we allowed the trekkies to include, let's say the TMs into the discussions? Do any of you think they would agree on this?
Why isn't it up for negotiation? Darkstar never respected our views on canon policy when he was here.

I was thinking along the (perhaps far too optimistic) lines that the more intelligent Trekkies over there understands (or at least accept) the SW canon policy as it has been layed out by various people over at the different divisions of LFL and that sees through Dorkstar. However, since the site and message board are administered by followers of Dorkstar, I see no point continuing being too active on that board since I doubt there actually are that many such people there. Thus, discussions over there becomes a moot point.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2004-11-22 05:21pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:[Of course some things are valid, but they're taken out of context. For example, he is correct when he says that an AT-ST is obviously not that tough, based on ROTJ. What he conveniently neglects to mention is that the AT-ST is only a scout vehicle, and as such, is not expected to be super-tough in the first place.
Actually he does mention it's name but writes an entire paragraph dening its valididy because AT-ST is only found in the EU which is off limits in Darkstar land.

"only found in the EU"??? WTF?

Need I name the Hoth scene in ESB and the forest on Endor in ROTJ? Or do you refer to the AT-PT?

Questor · Post by **Questor** » 2004-11-22 05:26pm

Elheru Aran wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:[Of course some things are valid, but they're taken out of context. For example, he is correct when he says that an AT-ST is obviously not that tough, based on ROTJ. What he conveniently neglects to mention is that the AT-ST is only a scout vehicle, and as such, is not expected to be super-tough in the first place.
Actually he does mention it's name but writes an entire paragraph dening its valididy because AT-ST is only found in the EU which is off limits in Darkstar land.
"only found in the EU"??? WTF?

Need I name the Hoth scene in ESB and the forest on Endor in ROTJ? Or do you refer to the AT-PT?

From the context, I think Wong was refering to the name "AT-ST."

FedRebel · Post by **FedRebel** » 2004-11-22 05:27pm

Elheru Aran wrote: "only found in the EU"??? WTF?

Need I name the Hoth scene in ESB and the forest on Endor in ROTJ? Or do you refer to the AT-PT?

He's saying that Darkstar claims that the name All Terrain Scout Transport comes only from EU

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-11-22 05:49pm

Well truthfully all the names of ships, other than the X-Wing(ESB) are only mentioned in official liturature

In the movie they are called out as Imperial Walkers.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2004-11-22 05:55pm

In the movie they are called out as Imperial Walkers.

I'm pretty sure that Iraqis refer to M1-A1 has American Tanks. It makes perfect sense for irregulars like Solo and Leia without formal military training to refer to enemy gear by slang name.

Other Rebels would most likey follow their example.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-11-22 06:05pm

Well that kind of shoots the Its only EU its called a AT-ST(All Terrian Scout Transport) out of the Water. How can anyone argue that an obvious light vehicle(compared to the massive AT-AT) is a heavy fighting vehicle?

Meest · Post by **Meest** » 2004-11-22 06:06pm

Well they are now only arguing nitpicks which have no bearing on any single point, other than "you said this so I'm going to say the opposite I win". They are breaking down trying to keep up with the relevent evidence it's not even being responded to.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2004-11-22 08:00pm

He's desperate. He's feeling out every loophole he can...