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Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-07 08:43pm

creationistalltheay wrote:
What do you think of Catholics?
I think it depends on the heart of the person. If the person believes on Jesus Christ, then they're saved regardless of the church they go to

I believe in Jesus Christ. I just don't think he's the savior. So, if I were to say I believe in Jesus (albeit not the savior) and attend a Muslim mosque (a Muslim church), then I would be saved?

And as well, God has every right to punish YOU for preaching, my friend.

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2002-11-07 08:47pm

Where have we said that you do?

From Coyote: But it does not say that all God's followers should go out and harass, beat up, lynch or murder gays

But you do by saying that it is such a horrible sin and that you are better because you don't participate in it. You don't say it outrightly, but you sure do imply it well enough.

Alright then, for your personal enjoyment I'll list some sins I participate in that not all homosexuals do.

I lie, I lust, cheat, I envy, I lose my self control often, I often put m,yself above others, sarcasm, self-centered, though I try not to be I sometimes AM bigotted (not in this particular case), I judge by outward appearance often, I have struggled with porn on more then one occasion, I gossip, I am known to act relatively bossy, the list goes on....

is that better?

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2002-11-07 08:48pm

I think it depends on the heart of the person. If the person believes on Jesus Christ, then they're saved regardless of the church they go to

Believe was bad choice of words. More, put your faith in. Not to mention I believe God does the choosing, but thats a different topic.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-07 08:49pm

creationistalltheay wrote:
Where have we said that you do?

From Coyote: But it does not say that all God's followers should go out and harass, beat up, lynch or murder gays

But you do by saying that it is such a horrible sin and that you are better because you don't participate in it. You don't say it outrightly, but you sure do imply it well enough.
Alright then, for your personal enjoyment I'll list some sins I participate in that not all homosexuals do.

I lie, I lust, cheat, I envy, I lose my self control often, I often put m,yself above others, sarcasm, self-centered, though I try not to be I sometimes AM bigotted (not in this particular case), I judge by outward appearance often, I have struggled with porn on more then one occasion, I gossip, I am known to act relatively bossy, the list goes on....

is that better?

ANd I participate in all of those. No, that is not better.

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2002-11-07 08:51pm

I want to know what you think of Roman Catholics in general, being 100% honest, no holds barred.

I believe that the Roman Catholic church has gone more into preaching just words, and less into the meaning. From what I"ve seen, they tend to focus more on good works and less on salvation by Jesus. I"ve known of some catholics that haven't ever even heard of salvation through grace.

Also, I have issues with the Apocrapha (an add-on to the Bible many catholics adhere to)

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-11-07 08:51pm

You will answer my question.

And an additional: What is your opinion of the Roman Catholic faith?

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-07 08:52pm

creationistalltheay wrote:
I want to know what you think of Roman Catholics in general, being 100% honest, no holds barred.
I believe that the Roman Catholic church has gone more into preaching just words, and less into the meaning. From what I"ve seen, they tend to focus more on good works and less on salvation by Jesus. I"ve known of some catholics that haven't ever even heard of salvation through grace.

Also, I have issues with the Apocrapha (an add-on to the Bible many catholics adhere to)

It is not an add-on...Protestants TOOK IT OUT. There's a difference. Don't argue with me, I'm a former Catholic.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-11-07 08:52pm

What denomination are you?

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2002-11-07 08:53pm

ANd I participate in all of those. No, that is not better

The point I was making is that I could very well have more issues in my own life with sin that a homosexual does not.

Also, one problem with homosexuality without remorse is that it is a constant life in sin, not a dabble in it.

Still, I'll say again that I don't necissarily live a more holier life then they. I have plenty of things that I'd send myself to hell for already.

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2002-11-07 08:54pm

What denomination are you?

Although I do not attend a Calvinistic church, I am a Calvinist (I agree with the five points of Calvinism).

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-11-07 08:55pm

Then the Catholic church outranks your cult.

You loose.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-07 08:55pm

creationistalltheay wrote:
What denomination are you?
Although I do not attend a Calvinistic church, I am a Calvinist (I agree with the five points of Calvinism).

So what church do you attend? And why do you ignore my posts? Because I make a point that you can't defend?

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2002-11-07 08:56pm

Then the Catholic church outranks your cult.

PLease explain. Calvinism can be backed up with verses every step of the way. I do not see how Catholicism can "outrank" it.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-07 08:57pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Then the Catholic church outranks your cult.

You loose.

It does muchly; The Catholic Church is the oldest Christian church, and it had the first Bible. Therefore, the Apocrypha (sp?) is NOT an add-on...it is one of the original parts of the Bible which Protestants took out because they were bigoted ass-holes.

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2002-11-07 08:58pm

It is not an add-on...Protestants TOOK IT OUT. There's a difference. Don't argue with me, I'm a former Catholic.

The apocropha has many topics, such as condoning vengeance, that is contrary to the rest of the Bible, thus I do not believe they are true.

So what church do you attend? And why do you ignore my posts? Because I make a point that you can't defend

I attend emmanuel faith, its a non-demoninational church, though I don't agree with many of its beliefs (such as the stressing of free will)

What have I ignored?

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2002-11-07 08:59pm

It does muchly; The Catholic Church is the oldest Christian church

Not to compare catholocism with polytheism, but you do know that polytheism has been around longer then Calvinist and Catholic churches. Does that make it "outrank" calvinism/

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-07 09:01pm

creationistalltheay wrote:
It is not an add-on...Protestants TOOK IT OUT. There's a difference. Don't argue with me, I'm a former Catholic.
The apocropha has many topics, such as condoning vengeance, that is contrary to the rest of the Bible, thus I do not believe they are true.

GOd does nothing BUT condone vengeance...what the fuck do you think Hell is? Why do you think he stuck Lucifer down there?

So what church do you attend? And why do you ignore my posts? Because I make a point that you can't defend
I attend emmanuel faith, its a non-demoninational church, though I don't agree with many of its beliefs (such as the stressing of free will)

What have I ignored?

THe big long post up top making several points against you.

And why don't you attend a Calvinist Church (if there's not one around, then you have a damned good reason).

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2002-11-07 09:04pm

GOd does nothing BUT condone vengeance...what the fuck do you think Hell is? Why do you think he stuck Lucifer down there?

Well naturally I believe God has the right to vengeance. When I say condoning (as well as in other posts) I am reffering to man. God, as the creator, has a right to vengeance. We do not.

Why don't you attend a calvinist church?

There is one neasr me, but for one, the rest of my family is not calvinist.

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2002-11-07 09:06pm

got to go. I'll continue this tomorrow if I have time between school music theatre, homework, etc.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-11-07 09:07pm

Why...he gave us Free will as stated in the bloody Bible.

He literally is hypocritical and has flights of emotion...and this is our supreme being?

Yow...yours maybe...I prefer something with less emotion than thinking of punishment if I don't follow his word to the letter or can find stupid ways of reneging that...

Non Catenatum · Post by **Non Catenatum** » 2002-11-07 09:12pm

I"ve got a minute or two left.

Why...he gave us Free will as stated in the bloody Bible.

Where? And focus on free will is leading to belief that man is in control of God

Yow...yours maybe...I prefer something with less emotion than thinking of punishment if I don't follow his word to the letter or can find stupid ways of reneging that...

We're punished for our sinful nature, saved by His grace. It has nothing to do with how you interpret His word.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-11-07 09:22pm

This is not a debate. Creationistalltheway simply makes claims as if they were statements of fact, and refuses to justify them except to repeat them. That kind of behaviour would get him/her thrown out of a high-school debate class.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-11-07 09:43pm

So far Creationistalltheway has made 39 post, and has not been banned. This can't be right. How many of our people got to make 39 post? Hell, he hasn't even gotten the "Village Idiot" or the "Fundie Moron" title yet. What the fuck is going on here? Somebody please fill me in!

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-07 09:50pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:So far Creationistalltheway has made 39 post, and has not been banned. This can't be right. How many of our people got to make 39 post? Hell, he hasn't even gotten the "Village Idiot" or the "Fundie Moron" title yet. What the fuck is going on here? Somebody please fill me in!

He's fun to play with....besides, he's the only one from CW with enough guts to actually post over here.

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-11-07 10:11pm

Well. I'm not bothering to sock-puppet or anything at CW.org.

If they want to debate they can. Otherwise I'm happy to add them to the rapidly growing list of "Arseholes Without Evidence". Soon to be added to my website.