Gay References In SW?

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2004-11-27 02:49am

I saw this on Narendra's site just after it closed and thought I'd repost it here. It was written by a member named Number 6, I have PM'd him asking if he would like to discuss the issue on this site, but seeing as the Narendra forums are now closed I don't know if he will get it.

Number 6 wrote: I know this is going to sound a bit off-the-wall, but this rumor/interpretation has apparently been going around in the gay community for quite a long time, and I just became aware of this forum as a place where I might ask about it. Recently, I’ve been making plans to teach A New Hope in a literature and film course (I teach college English), and I was told by a gay colleague that I should let students know about the veiled references to a homosexual relationship in the cantina scene between Han Solo and Greedo, and the fact that it’s more than likely that the argument between Greedo and Solo went beyond Solo’s fight with Jabba, and was actually the final argument in a lover’s tiff.

First of all, Greedo’s mouth was apparently designed to suggest a “pocket pussy,” and I have to admit, it certainly does look like one. Greedo’s orifice opens wide and invitingly at the precise moment he says “If you give it to me, I might forget I found you,” suggesting that Greedo would be willing to exchange oral favors with Solo in return for letting him make the trip to Alderaan to get Jabba’s money. For a few years after the release of the film, a blowjob was often referred to as “getting a Greedo” among the gay community.

Greedo’s accusation to Solo about smugglers who drop their shipment plays on 70s slang in the homosexual community—smuggling a shipment referring to anal sex. When a smuggler “drops his shipment,” it means he’s left (or cheated on) his anal partner. Solo’s reply, “Even I get boarded sometimes” is a reference to the fact that he has been smuggling something other than Greedo’s member, hence Greedo’s anger.

Even the Huttese language that Greedo speaks contains veiled references to homosexuality. In the New York gay community—specifically the patrons of Studio 54—the brand name Frito-Lay had somehow gotten corrupted to the phrase “Peter-Lay,” obviously referring to gay sex. My colleague wasn’t sure what the exact origin of this phrase was—like the Cosmopolitan, many people claim to have invented it—but when Greedo says “Song pich aley,” he actually pronounces it like “Peter-Lay,” and this was apparently deliberate on the part of the voice-over actor, as he was instructed to say the words “Peter-Lay.” Also, “eating a bag of Fritos” was a term for what’s now called “tea bagging.” Weird.

This was also the reason why Solo was so uninterested in Leia as a beautiful princess in A New Hope—he just wasn’t interested in women. When Han says to Luke, “I don’t know . . . what do you think? Do you think a princess, and a guy like me . . .” it’s a veiled reference to his homosexuality, and apparently got a big laugh from gay audience members.

Now I’m not a big fan of the “queering” of literature and film, but my colleague seems to have most of his ducks in a row, and another gay colleague knew instantly what he was talking about, and started describing the same things to me. Since then, I have emailed several gay colleagues at other institutions, and all say that they are aware of the theory and that they are surprised it has not gained more credence in readings of A New Hope.

This was apparently deliberate on the part of Lucas, who included the references in an attempt to deliver a pro-gay message that would go over the heads of the studio but still reach its intended audience. But, not long after the release of the A New Hope, Lucas became more family oriented in his outlook, and denied the rumors, chalking it up to odd coincidence, and arguing that he had always intended Han and Leia to get together, when it’s pretty clear that Luke and Leia were intended for one another in the original plan. For some reason, the gay community has given him a pass, and left it alone, but recent setbacks in the gay rights movement have apparently changed some minds.

Look to hear more of this in the future, I guess, particularly as some of the queer theorists in film studies are trying to get corroboration from the original crew. What do you all think?

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2004-11-27 02:55am

You're kidding with this, right?

Gorefiend · Post by **Gorefiend** » 2004-11-27 03:03am

He is a rodian for god sake. That’s just who his facemask looks like Oo

Greedo is speaking rodian btw.

I don’t think that is what the movie was trying to get at, might be, but not very likely.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2004-11-27 03:15am

Okay. This is just.... Gah. It's too stupid for words.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-11-27 03:35am

How is it homosexual for two different species to have sex, regardless of gender? That isn't homosexuality.

Xenosexuality? Han is a xenosexual?

Oh fuck it, is anyone taking this idea seriously?

Winston Blake · Post by **Winston Blake** » 2004-11-27 06:27am

Well, put it this way: would you rather fuck a female Rodian or be sodomised by a male one?

....you know SD.net is probably the only place where anyone would say something like this.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-11-27 06:29am

Winston Blake wrote:Well, put it this way: would you rather fuck a female Rodian or be sodomised by a male one?

Er... that's a choice?

Now, if we're talking Twi'leks here...

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-11-27 06:30am

Gorefiend wrote:Greedo is speaking rodian btw.

No he speaks hutteese like everybody else in Hutt space.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2004-11-27 08:29am

Lord Poe wrote:You're kidding with this, right?

When it was first posted on Narendra's site I thought it was a joke too. Evidently somebody takes it seriously though. I can't help but see it as a pathetic attempt for Gays to project their sub-culture onto a classic. Seeing as Lucas has never championed gay rights or had homosexual references in his other movies, I find it hard to believe that there would be intentional ones in SW.

Gorefiend · Post by **Gorefiend** » 2004-11-27 08:29am

they are not in hutt space ;P Tatooine was imp space by ep 4
but your right Greedo might really been speaking huttese, I think it was rodian

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-11-27 08:33am

Gorefiend wrote:they are not in hutt space ;P Tatooine was imp space by ep 4
but your right Greedo might really been speaking huttese, I think it was rodian

It was huttese...unless Burtt got his languages mixed up and gave the wrong lines.

All in all..sad, sad article. I might as well claimed Lucas was against the Black Man because of Darth Vader.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2004-11-27 08:36am

The original article is here. Seeing as their shutting down, I don't know how long it will be available.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-11-27 08:36am

Ghost Rider wrote:All in all..sad, sad article. I might as well claimed Lucas was against the Black Man because of Darth Vader.

It's not that bad. It adds a new facet of Han's character.

"I'm a xenosexual. I fuck anything. Male, female, tentacle..."

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-11-27 08:40am

Stofsk wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:All in all..sad, sad article. I might as well claimed Lucas was against the Black Man because of Darth Vader.
It's not that bad. It adds a new facet of Han's character.

"I'm a xenosexual. I fuck anything. Male, female, tentacle..."

Well in that aspect sure. Makes you wonder about those cold lonely nights with only Chewbacca.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-11-27 09:00am

Winston Blake wrote:Well, put it this way: would you rather fuck a female Rodian or be sodomised by a male one?

How could we answer that? Based on our existing knowledge, we don't have sufficient information to describe Rodian's copulation mechanism. Who knows what interesting facts we may find on a deeper study on that field, like it may be actually more sexually arousing for an adult heterosexual human male to be sodomized by a male Rodian?

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-11-27 09:01am

Stofsk wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:All in all..sad, sad article. I might as well claimed Lucas was against the Black Man because of Darth Vader.
It's not that bad. It adds a new facet of Han's character.

"I'm a xenosexual. I fuck anything. Male, female, tentacle..."

*coughKirkcoughcough*

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-11-27 09:02am

Ghost Rider wrote:Well in that aspect sure. Makes you wonder about those cold lonely nights with only Chewbacca.

It certainly puts into perspective, the term 'Greedo shot first'.

"Oh go ahead darling. I know you love me."

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2004-11-27 09:03am

The truth on why Han puts his hand underneath the table is revealed: He wasn't aiming his pistol; He was unsheathing Mr. Happy!

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2004-11-27 11:22am

Pcm979 wrote:The truth on why Han puts his hand underneath the table is revealed: He wasn't aiming his pistol; He was unsheathing Mr. Happy!

Now all we need is Star Wars DVD Twisted Edition, with a new revision on Han-Greedo cantina scene where Han, hand underneath the table, shaking his penis furiously (with a furious expression, teeth gritting, etc, ala Indiana Jones) then shoot a massive amount of semen right up to Greedo's face. Then Greedo falls dead to the floor due to asphyxation.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2004-11-27 11:35am

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:
Pcm979 wrote:The truth on why Han puts his hand underneath the table is revealed: He wasn't aiming his pistol; He was unsheathing Mr. Happy!
Now all we need is Star Wars DVD Twisted Edition, with a new revision on Han-Greedo cantina scene where Han, hand underneath the table, shaking his penis furiously (with a furious expression, teeth gritting, etc, ala Indiana Jones) then shoot a massive amount of semen right up to Greedo's face. Then Greedo falls dead to the floor due to asphyxation.

Someone watches entirely too much hentai.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-11-27 12:12pm

Lord Revan wrote:
Gorefiend wrote:Greedo is speaking rodian btw.
No he speaks hutteese like everybody else in Hutt space.

EVEN THE JAWAS! (KOTOR reference)

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-11-27 12:25pm

That article would explain Darth Vader's replica to Luke: "You don't know the power of the Dark Side"

andrewgpaul · Post by **andrewgpaul** » 2004-11-27 01:33pm

Winston Blake wrote:Well, put it this way: would you rather fuck a female Rodian or be sodomised by a male one?

....you know SD.net is probably the only place where anyone would say something like this.

Well, I suppose it depends if a Rodian's manhood is as warty as the rest of him.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-11-27 02:05pm

Ghost Rider wrote: Well in that aspect sure. Makes you wonder about those cold lonely nights with only Chewbacca.

I KEEP TELLING YOU PEOPLE, NOTHING HAPPENED!!

It was cold... we would have froze to death...

Trekdestroyer · Post by **Trekdestroyer** » 2004-11-27 04:25pm

This thread is twisted and wrong and makes a joke of Star Wars. I can't believe sd.net has sunk this low and this slimy. I hope Mike beats the crap out of all of you.

JUST KIDDING