Origin of the name 'Vader'
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Origin of the name 'Vader'
With the introduction of three new Darths with the prequels, each of which has an ominous sounding name (Darth Maul, Sidious, Tyrannus) the question popped into my head about the significance of Darth Vader's name. I suppose it could be missing a sylable like Sidious (InSidious?) though (In)Vader somehow doesn't seem fitting.
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But it is spelt correctly as Dutch for 'father'.
Personally I think Vader's sounding like 'Invader' is fitting enough for the Darth X continuity.
Personally I think Vader's sounding like 'Invader' is fitting enough for the Darth X continuity.
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Except that in the original screenplay, Vader was significantly younger than Luke Skywalker (who's role was similar to Obi-Wan's role in the finished movie.) The character who would eventually evolve into Luke was Anakin Starkiller, and his father, Kane, was still alive at the beginning of the script (although he died halfway through.)
It's fairly obvious from the original screenplays that Vader was not originally supposed to have any relation with the hero. The one thing I'm not sure about is, did Lucas decide to make Vader Luke's father before ANH was filmed (but after writing the first and second drafts, both of which featured the hero's father in a speaking role,) or was it just a retcon that he inserted into the sequel?
It's fairly obvious from the original screenplays that Vader was not originally supposed to have any relation with the hero. The one thing I'm not sure about is, did Lucas decide to make Vader Luke's father before ANH was filmed (but after writing the first and second drafts, both of which featured the hero's father in a speaking role,) or was it just a retcon that he inserted into the sequel?
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Re: Origin of the name 'Vader'
Actually, nothing will be more fitting. Darth Vader -=> Dark Invader. Or haven't you noticed that his helmet has the shape similar to the tip of a penis?SCVN 2812 wrote:I suppose it could be missing a sylable like Sidious (InSidious?) though (In)Vader somehow doesn't seem fitting.
Bah, I was going to say that Vader = Father in dutch! :pwautd wrote:yepWinston Blake wrote:But it is spelt correctly as Dutch for 'father'.
("Luke, I am your father" never came as a suprise if you speak dutch)
I can imagine how silly it sounded in dutch. "I am your Vader!" "Uh, no, that's your name."
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A little off-topic...
Personally, I think that originally Darth was meant to be his name. Obi-Wan says "A young jedi named Darth Vader." And he's constantly refered to as Lord Vader which would make one think that Darth was not meant to be a title originally. Though now it is.
Personally, I think that originally Darth was meant to be his name. Obi-Wan says "A young jedi named Darth Vader." And he's constantly refered to as Lord Vader which would make one think that Darth was not meant to be a title originally. Though now it is.
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How about "Dart Cestuous"?Pcm979 wrote:The (In)Sidious and (In)Vader thing has led me to hypothesise a number of titles for other Sith.
Darth Disputable
Darth Clement
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Over a theforce.net someone found an old copy of Lucas' high school yearbook and a burly-looking jock-type guy in it was named Gary Vader. Did this guy beat up GL or something?
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Darth Tel...that would sooo explain where the guy's cybernetics came from. And why Luke wins with his cybernetics...the Rebels buy AMD, which we all know has superior gaming performance. 
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Except that names like Clement (Inclined to be lenient or merciful.Pcm979 wrote:The (In)Sidious and (In)Vader thing has led me to hypothesise a number of titles for other Sith.
Darth Disputable
Darth Clement
Darth Consequential
Darth Distinguishable
Darth Operable
Mild: 'clement weather') and Disputable have an 'In' on the front to negativise them. It would be like calling yourself Darth Destructible, Darth Vincible or Darth Defatigable.
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Hmm...if a Sith master got to name his apprentice, naming him/her Darth Significant could be a nice ego-boost 
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