Fears of Ep III

[Sam Or I]

OK, ROTS will be fairly hard to screw up. Heres one of my biggest things that I hope that they don't screw up on.

The duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan. Obi Wan has not been too impressive in the prequels. Winning against Maul, seemed more like luck. Don't tell me there is no luck, only the force, I know, but still, well, lets just say if there was a rematch I would put my money on Maul. He was also a prick in Ep I. Episode II, I cannot think of one fight he actually won. He complained to much. Did not seem all that wise. Not like the Jedi Master we knew from ANH.

Well in the final duel, I want to see him beat Anakin out right. No strokes of luck by something falling on Anakin, or the bridge from under them giving way (And the hero escapes and the villian does not), none of that shit. A good clean match where Obi-Wan is the victor clear cut.

Anything that frightens the rest of you about Ep III? How they will ruin the story, or the characters?

[Spanky The Dolphin]

I have no fear.

[The Original Nex]

I'm not expecting a big screw-up. Just as long as Anakin doesn't slip on a banana peel and roll down a mountain into the lava pit.....

[Ghost Rider]

More wondering if he can fit in how many duels he is proposing and not have it detract from story he's pushing forth....not much else honestly.

So far it's looking very nice.

[Axis Kast]

I think it'll be the best of the prequel series, but still a far cry from the original trilogy in terms of cinematic perfection.

Somehow, I have a feeling we're going to have plenty to groan about in terms of overly-frilly CGI and overly-childish aliens. Too many gags and gimmicks reminiscent of AoTC.

Personally, I think Lucas is too content to let Star Wars be a cash cow. No doubt he has every right to want to drag in money from his creation, and I'll be the first to defend his right to soak the concept for it's worth - on the other hand, though, I'll also be the first to admit that his lust for dollars and his incessant catering to a new, more youthful generation of Star Wars fans has really sunk some of the plot devices and chracters to new lows.

[Trogdor]

I fear Lucas trying to cram too much plot into one movie, and the possibility that he'll waste more time on the Anakin/Padme romance.

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

I fear that there'll be, like, 8 duels and not enough story behind the.

I fear that it will be less than 4 hours long.

[Vympel]

From spoiler information, it seems that there are probably 4-5 duels, depending on how the scenes work.

As to fears, I'm not too worried about excessive kiddiness in this one- I'm sure there'll be some comic relief, like TESB, but not too much, and probably less than TESB.

As to Obi-Wan vs Anakin, I'm the exact opposite- I want Obi-Wan to barely win by the skin of his teeth. Him being the clear-cut 0wNzoR j00 winner just doesn't make any sense in light of what we already know.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

As to fears, I'm not too worried about excessive kiddiness in this one- I'm sure there'll be some comic relief, like TESB, but not too much, and probably less than TESB.

Yeah, Lucas and others in the production have said that RotS more than likely may end up being the darkest of the PT, if not the whole saga. I mean there are actually some genuine concerns that the film may end up being rated PG-13.

[Anarchist Bunny]

From spoiler information, it seems that there are probably 4-5 duels, depending on how the scenes work.

As to fears, I'm not too worried about excessive kiddiness in this one- I'm sure there'll be some comic relief, like TESB, but not too much, and probably less than TESB.

As to Obi-Wan vs Anakin, I'm the exact opposite- I want Obi-Wan to barely win by the skin of his teeth. Him being the clear-cut 0wNzoR j00 winner just doesn't make any sense in light of what we already know.

I don't think thats what he means. I think he doesn't want another stroke of luck victory that he got in episode one. No Anakin utterly kicking his ass til something then Obiwan gets a cop out victory, like he said, rocks fall on him, bridge falls away, etc. He wants a definate and earned victory by ObiWan.

[JME2]

"I'm not afraid."

"You will be. Hmm, you will be."

[Sarevok]

I am not too much afraid I am hoping ROTS will be a great film, around same level as ROTJ.

[Kurgan]

My "fear"?

That too much of the Clone Wars will be left out and too many things will occur "offscreen" (so he can sell the CW cartoon, the books, video games, etc. more, a la the Matrix sequels). That things will be wrapped up too quickly, in favor of more time spent on "romance" and Anakin whining.

Possible examples: the Jedi being killed off in some cop-out way (ie: the bus they're on blows up, technobabble Jedi-killer, etc.).

I wants action, dangit! (but meaningful action).


There's also the possibility that some technical issues will be introduced because he sacrifices "realism" for "kewlness" (see the discussion of the capital ship battle footage).

But, I'm hopeful, we'll see when it comes out!

I hope this time too he doesn't skimp on the "deleted action scenes" (if there are any of course) on the eventual DVD.

I figure we won't pull a Peter Jackson (well, not for several years anyway, since he always intended...) and release an "extended edition" so this is his chance to take the Star Wars saga out with a bang, rather than a whimper.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Well, it's already been known that the opening battle above Coruscant is more or less the end of the Clone Wars.

[Illuminatus Primus]

From spoiler information, it seems that there are probably 4-5 duels, depending on how the scenes work.

As to fears, I'm not too worried about excessive kiddiness in this one- I'm sure there'll be some comic relief, like TESB, but not too much, and probably less than TESB.

As to Obi-Wan vs Anakin, I'm the exact opposite- I want Obi-Wan to barely win by the skin of his teeth. Him being the clear-cut 0wNzoR j00 winner just doesn't make any sense in light of what we already know.

"When I left you I was but the learner...now I am the Master."

[JME2]

From spoiler information, it seems that there are probably 4-5 duels, depending on how the scenes work.

As to fears, I'm not too worried about excessive kiddiness in this one- I'm sure there'll be some comic relief, like TESB, but not too much, and probably less than TESB.

As to Obi-Wan vs Anakin, I'm the exact opposite- I want Obi-Wan to barely win by the skin of his teeth. Him being the clear-cut 0wNzoR j00 winner just doesn't make any sense in light of what we already know.

"When I left you I was but the learner...now I am the Master."

Heh.

But, that's essentially correct. By the time of ANH, neither the master or the former apprentice is in the prime of their life. Obi-Wan is an old, tired man and Vader half a man, limited by his cybernetic implants.

No, this duel will be in their prime and will be if the extras on the OT DVD sets are any indication, VERY vicious. Obi-Wan has more experience, but Anakin is more powerful. I'll be surprised if Obi-Wan easily wins...

It also makes sense, as Lucas points out, when you compare the build-up of the lightsaber duels in both trilogies.

ANH -- Obi-Wan/Vader Rematch; neither are at full strength or ability.
TESB -- Luke vs. Vader; Luke believes he's fighting the man that killed Obi-Wan and wants to kill him in turn.
ROTJ -- Luke/Vader Rematch; Luke knows now that who Vader really is and it's more of a psychological battle than a technological duel.

In the case of the latter two, Luke is a half-trained Jedi and Vader is a crippled Dark Lord. Naturally, the duels for the PT have to be in the Jedi Order's prime, they have to be bigger, badder, and more heated.

I mean, Anakin/Obi-Wan/Yoda vs. Dooku was far more vicious that Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul, so by nature, Obi-Wan vs. Anakin
needs to build upon both prior duels.

[Coalition]

I heard that Lucas had to hurriedly delete a scene from the movie, and rearrange the rest of the movie to cover it. Fortunately, I found a copy, and it is below:

(Spoilers shrinked)

Interior: Jedi Temple, Mace Windu is meditating. He looks up, as something has clearly disturbed him. Moing quickly, he opens a door, to reveal - nothing. Just an empty closet.


Mace Windu: "Where's my Jedi suit?"


Offscreen voice: "What?"


Mace Windu: (louder) "Where is my Jedi suit!"


Offscreen voice: "Why do you need it?"

Mace Windu: "The Republic is in trouble, now where is my Jedi suit!"

[Aki-Wan Hanabi]

The duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan. Obi Wan has not been too impressive in the prequels. Winning against Maul, seemed more like luck. Don't tell me there is no luck, only the force, I know, but still, well, lets just say if there was a rematch I would put my money on Maul. He was also a prick in Ep I. Episode II, I cannot think of one fight he actually won. He complained to much. Did not seem all that wise. Not like the Jedi Master we knew from ANH.

Well, Obi-Wan has had many, many years to think about his errors as a mentor between the ROTS and ANH. He admits that he failed as Anakin's mentor and that his failure had terrible consequenses. If Luke and Leia had not been born, I could imagine our "wise" jedimaster having hard times living with himself.

But, my fears....wookies as overgrown Ewoks (i liked ewoks, because ewoks were shown KILLED in the RTJ, war should not be funny like it was in TPM), wookies should be more ass-kicking guerrillas.

And I also fear that the final confrontation is only stunning swordsplay, no psychological debate like in TESB and ROTJ.

[JME2]

I heard that Lucas had to hurriedly delete a scene from the movie, and rearrange the rest of the movie to cover it. Fortunately, I found a copy, and it is below:

(Spoilers shrinked)

Interior: Jedi Temple, Mace Windu is meditating. He looks up, as something has clearly disturbed him. Moing quickly, he opens a door, to reveal - nothing. Just an empty closet.


Mace Windu: "Where's my Jedi suit?"


Offscreen voice: "What?"


Mace Windu: (louder) "Where is my Jedi suit!"


Offscreen voice: "Why do you need it?"

Mace Windu: "The Republic is in trouble, now where is my Jedi suit!"

Heh. Ah, that was a damm fine movie.

[Stofsk]

I mean, Anakin/Obi-Wan/Yoda vs. Dooku was far more vicious that Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul, so by nature, Obi-Wan vs. Anakin needs to build upon both prior duels.

I disagree. The Anakin/Obi-wan/Yoda vs Dooku duel seemed flat and empty, compared to the Qui-gon/Obi-wan vs Darth Maul duel. The former had idiotic tactics from the principal protagonists, a gimmicky CGI rendering of Yoda, and the duel itself didn't have a resolution. In all the previous duels, there was a resolution: Obi-wan 'surrenders', Luke is defeated, Vader is defeated, Qui-gon is defeated, Maul is defeated. In AOTC, Dooku handles three Jedi and leaves undefeated, while Obi-wan and Anakin are humbled but not really beaten (since Yoda came to save their arses).

The duel at the end of AOTC just didn't strike me as enjoyable than any of the others. It's one of the things I disliked about AOTC, oddly enough. TPM's climax was enjoyable even if most of the movie wasn't, yet AOTC seems to be the reverse: most of the movie was enjoyable, but the climax wasn't. I'm not sure what that makes me feel about the film overall.

As for ROTS, from what we've all seen it looks awesome. Yet I'm worried Lucas will do a few things:

• 'Erase' the droid's memories. This would be utterly stupid and idiotic. We know Droid's obey their masters, and independent droid's like Artoo and Threepio develop a devotion to their masters that Luke in particular found to be atypical. But many fans bitch and whine "OMG why didn't Artoo or Threepio tell Luke abour x y and z LOL" without realising that Droids, even if they're independent, can also be given orders and instructions. "Artoo Deetoo, keep this secret safe!"
  
  "beep-boo-boo-beep"
  
  No need to show the droid's getting a memory wipe. You just have to show Obi-wan give them an order to keep their vocabulator's shut. That's it.
  
  Compromise: you could show Threepio getting mind-wiped, but leave Artoo alone. There is a symbolic magnifence in having Artoo, the character that really can't communicate with any of the other characters, being the only one to know perhaps the whole story. I can understand wiping Threepio's mind, as he's a bit of a blabbermouth, but Artoo can't talk anyway.
• Mace given a 'cool' death. Not to be anti-Samuel L Jackson here, but who gives a fuck? I don't really like his character anyway. Why make his send off special?
• Darth Sidious/Palpatine dueling. I'm scared of this the same way I disliked Yoda fighting Dooku, not because it's necessarily a bad idea, but that it will be done poorly.
• Jarjar revealing he's a Sith Lord. Joking...
• How they deal with the Twins. This is a big one for me. I want to know why they were separated at birth, and placed in widely disproportionate locations: Leia in a high profile Core world, adopted daughter to a Republic Senator; Luke to his Uncle Lars, in a shithole system at the edge of nowhere. I also want to know why Luke get's watched over by Obi-wan, who doesn't instruct him in the Jedi arts - even if the PT established the younger you are the better off you are. I also want to know why no Jedi master looks over Leia, which is worse than Luke.
  
  I dread the explanation "Because Luke is stronger in the Force."

Those are my 'fears'. That and more fart jokes.

[JME2]

I agree; the Twins explanation is what I'm both looking forward to and dreading at the same time. Perhaps it was simply Skywalker genetics, that the males were stronger, or perhaps the Force chose Luke to become the savior -- I just don't know. Here's to hoping George won't blow it (Should be interesting though where they're born exactly. After all, GL said part of the purpose of the PT was to change out perceptions of the OT. So, could Luke's line in ESB towards Dagobah about there being "something familiar about this place," be one such example? )

As for why Luke didn't go right towards Obi-Wan, I can think of a simple explanation. Obi-Wan just saw his entire Order exterminated at the hands of a Sith Lord and a man who had been his Padawan, son, and friend. You would need time to come to grips with what's happened.

In addition, the methods of the Old Order had failed to prevent Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. Obi-Wan knew that it was absolutely essential that the same mistakes not be made in training Luke and that to train him from an infant onwards could backfire.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Gah, Stofk and his lists...

Concerning Windu's death, the issue isn't so much that he gets a "cool" death as that he doesn't get a lame one, such as getting wasted by a pre-teen Boba Fett like so many wanker fucks have been stroking over. Jackson was concerned about getting a decent and appropriate death for the character.

Other than that I say that you think way too much about little details.

[Stofsk]

Concerning Windu's death, the issue isn't so much that he gets a "cool" death as that he doesn't get a lame one, such as getting wasted by a pre-teen Boba Fett like so many wanker fucks have been stroking over. Jackson was concerned about getting a decent and appropriate death for the character.

Stop scaring me!

I guess we need to wait and see. I want Sam Jackson to get a decent death scene, as opposed to a lame one, but I don't want it to be over the top and 'cool'.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Spoilers for Stofsk:

From what I understand, Windu is killed during a scene where he confronts Palpatine about the recent goings on that the Jedi Council isn't digging, who reveals his true nature as Darth Sideous. Windu (I think) then battles with Anakin, is severely wounded, and possibly executed by Sideous.

Or something like that.

[Stofsk]

It works. How did you find out? Is it an educated guess, or are your sources of information many and varied?