Bush's Abstinence-Only Sex Ed Program Full of Baldface Lies.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Reuters Link

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Youngsters participating in federally funded abstinence-only sex-education courses frequently receive inaccurate or misleading information, the Washington Post reported on Thursday.

According to a congressional staff analysis, some courses teach that touching a person's genitals can lead to pregnancy, abortion can lead to sterility and suicide, and half the gay male teenagers in the United States have tested positive for the AIDS virus, the Post said.

The report, prepared for California Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman, reviewed the curricula of more than a dozen projects aimed at preventing teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease, the Post said.

The Bush administration will provide $170 million next year to groups that teach abstinence only. Several million children age 9 to 18 have participated in more than 100 federal abstinence programs since they began in 1999.

The report found that 11 of the 13 most commonly used curricula in such programs contained unproved claims, subjective conclusions or outright falsehoods regarding reproductive health, the Post said.

Waxman's staff found the curricula included misconceptions such as a 43-day-old fetus is a "thinking person," HIV can be spread through tears and sweat and condoms failed to prevent HIV transmission in 31 percent of the time in heterosexual intercourse, the Post said.

"I have no objection to talking about abstinence as a surefire way to prevent unwanted pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. I don't think we should lie to our children about science," Waxman told the newspaper.

Impeach the bastard. He's effectively giving our kids a death sentence by HIV infection.

[Illuminatus Primus]

How suprising; federally-subsidized lying Christian propoganda.

[Uther]

Reuters Link

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Youngsters participating in federally funded abstinence-only sex-education courses frequently receive inaccurate or misleading information, the Washington Post reported on Thursday.

According to a congressional staff analysis, some courses teach that touching a person's genitals can lead to pregnancy, abortion can lead to sterility and suicide, and half the gay male teenagers in the United States have tested positive for the AIDS virus, the Post said.

The report, prepared for California Democratic Rep. Henry Waxman, reviewed the curricula of more than a dozen projects aimed at preventing teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease, the Post said.

The Bush administration will provide $170 million next year to groups that teach abstinence only. Several million children age 9 to 18 have participated in more than 100 federal abstinence programs since they began in 1999.

The report found that 11 of the 13 most commonly used curricula in such programs contained unproved claims, subjective conclusions or outright falsehoods regarding reproductive health, the Post said.

Waxman's staff found the curricula included misconceptions such as a 43-day-old fetus is a "thinking person," HIV can be spread through tears and sweat and condoms failed to prevent HIV transmission in 31 percent of the time in heterosexual intercourse, the Post said.

"I have no objection to talking about abstinence as a surefire way to prevent unwanted pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. I don't think we should lie to our children about science," Waxman told the newspaper.

Impeach the bastard. He's effectively giving our kids a death sentence by HIV infection.

No he's not, liar.

[Admiral Valdemar]

How suprising; federally-subsidized lying Christian propoganda.

Colour me amazed.

[Mr Bean]

Don't think we can take someone to court for Violation the Seperation of Church and State Clause

If I ever get the chance I'm going to sneak that one into the "impacable offenses list"

[Kuja]

No he's not, liar.

It may not be as bad as that, but it is still "education through ignorance" which can only cause problems down the road.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Impeach the bastard. He's effectively giving our kids a death sentence by HIV infection.

No he's not, liar.

Alright, prove to this board that I'm lying. You make an assertion that strong, you better have incontrovertible evidence strong enough to stand up to an atomic bomb blast if you don't want to be immediately flamed to the shape, size, and consistency of a severely overcooked hamburger. En Garde, muthafucka!

My assertion relates to the fact that his lies (they are effectively his; he pays the money, the recipients parrot his agenda to the people) will get kids who believe them in extremely fucking deep doodoo if followed. Possibly to the point they'll be unwittingly HELPING the spread of HIV, getting infected, and getting needlessly KILLED!

[Uther]

Impeach the bastard. He's effectively giving our kids a death sentence by HIV infection.

No he's not, liar.

Alright, prove to this board that I'm lying. You make an assertion that strong, you better have incontrovertible evidence strong enough to stand up to an atomic bomb blast if you don't want to be immediately flamed to the shape, size, and consistency of a severely overcooked hamburger. En Garde, muthafucka!

My assertion relates to the fact that his lies (they are effectively his; he pays the money, the recipients parrot his agenda to the people) will get kids who believe them in extremely fucking deep doodoo if followed. Possibly to the point they'll be unwittingly HELPING the spread of HIV, getting infected, and getting needlessly KILLED!

Ok, um first of all, you claimed Bush was trying to kill kids through AIDS. I don't really see him doing that in the article, could you point out the particular passage? I don't think funding crappy sex ed is an impeachable offense, or tantamount to murder one, but I could be wrong.

Secondly, if Bush sucks so bad, why is the teenage pregnancy rate at a 20 year low? I think we should lie to kids MORE about condom efficacy, that way they won't fuck around.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Alright, prove to this board that I'm lying. You make an assertion that strong, you better have incontrovertible evidence strong enough to stand up to an atomic bomb blast if you don't want to be immediately flamed to the shape, size, and consistency of a severely overcooked hamburger. En Garde, muthafucka!

My assertion relates to the fact that his lies (they are effectively his; he pays the money, the recipients parrot his agenda to the people) will get kids who believe them in extremely fucking deep doodoo if followed. Possibly to the point they'll be unwittingly HELPING the spread of HIV, getting infected, and getting needlessly KILLED!

Ok, um first of all, you claimed Bush was trying to kill kids through AIDS. I don't really see him doing that in the article, could you point out the particular passage? I don't think funding crappy sex ed is an impeachable offense, or tantamount to murder one, but I could be wrong.

Apparently you didn't actually read the second paragraph I posted. He's not TRYING to kill kids, he's just funding the dissemination of lies that CAN get kids killed. Not much of a distinction IMO, it's just splitting hairs as to the exact degree of his wrong.

Secondly, if Bush sucks so bad, why is the teenage pregnancy rate at a 20 year low?

Fact to prove that statement, please?

I think we should lie to kids MORE about condom efficacy, that way they won't fuck around.

You're fucking despicable. Why I'm giving this last 'point' of yours any legitimacy by addressing it is beyond me.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Secondly, if Bush sucks so bad, why is the teenage pregnancy rate at a 20 year low?

The rate has been decreasing for years, nothing Bush has done has helped that.

I think we should lie to kids MORE about condom efficacy, that way they won't fuck around.

Then you are a fucking ignorant asshole.

Thanks for the help! (HUG)

[Admiral Valdemar]

I think we should lie to kids MORE about condom efficacy, that way they won't fuck around.

Congradulations. The STD and pregnancy rate suddenly skyrockets. What's your next miracle campaign, Mr. President? Tell anyone who doubts AIDS exists to go on a sex holiday in Africa?

[Batman]

No he's not, liar.

Alright, prove to this board that I'm lying. You make an assertion that strong, you better have incontrovertible evidence strong enough to stand up to an atomic bomb blast if you don't want to be immediately flamed to the shape, size, and consistency of a severely overcooked hamburger. En Garde, muthafucka!
My assertion relates to the fact that his lies (they are effectively his; he pays the money, the recipients parrot his agenda to the people) will get kids who believe them in extremely fucking deep doodoo if followed. Possibly to the point they'll be unwittingly HELPING the spread of HIV, getting infected, and getting needlessly KILLED!

Ok, um first of all, you claimed Bush was trying to kill kids through AIDS. I don't really see him doing that in the article, could you point out the particular passage? I don't think funding crappy sex ed is an impeachable offense, or tantamount to murder one, but I could be wrong.

Show me the part of Einy's post saying that Bush is
1. TRYING, and
2. to commit MURDER ONE.
He says he's effectively-i.e. based on the outcome not the intention-
giving them a Death sentence -i.e. causing them to die. I fail to see the murder part.
By all means show us how that kind of sex ed will NOT result in HIV deaths that could otherwise have been avoided.

Secondly, if Bush sucks so bad, why is the teenage pregnancy rate at a 20 year low? I think we should lie to kids MORE about condom efficacy, that way they won't fuck around.

You have of course evidence for this being a)true and b)the result of said heinous excuse for functional sex ed program.
I'd point out that teenagers will fuck around ANYWAY but since seeing this requires functioning braincells which you obviously lack...

[Joe]

Alright, prove to this board that I'm lying. You make an assertion that strong, you better have incontrovertible evidence strong enough to stand up to an atomic bomb blast if you don't want to be immediately flamed to the shape, size, and consistency of a severely overcooked hamburger. En Garde, muthafucka!

My assertion relates to the fact that his lies (they are effectively his; he pays the money, the recipients parrot his agenda to the people) will get kids who believe them in extremely fucking deep doodoo if followed. Possibly to the point they'll be unwittingly HELPING the spread of HIV, getting infected, and getting needlessly KILLED!

Um, I'm sympathetic, but it doesn't work that way. You have to back up your claim with numbers first, then you can demand that the other guy disproves it.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Ok, um first of all, you claimed Bush was trying to kill kids through AIDS. I don't really see him doing that in the article, could you point out the particular passage?

I dont know, I think abstinence only education has a tendancy to do that. You know, because teenagers will be teenagers and teenagers usually will have sex.

I don't think funding crappy sex ed is an impeachable offense, or tantamount to murder one, but I could be wrong.

Murder one:No
Negligent Homicide:yes

Secondly, if Bush sucks so bad, why is the teenage pregnancy rate at a 20 year low?

It isnt. It is still on the ncrease, it is just a slower increase. ANd it has been on a slower increase since the mid 90s. You dumbass

I think we should lie to kids MORE about condom efficacy, that way they won't fuck around.

No, they will still fuck around, and then they will get HIV

You asshat.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

I think we should lie to kids MORE about condom efficacy, that way they won't fuck around.

Congradulations. The STD and pregnancy rate suddenly skyrockets. What's your next miracle campaign, Mr. President? Tell anyone who doubts AIDS exists to go on a sex holiday in Africa?

FUQ.

I'm working under the assumption that teenagers will fuck each other no matter what some gubbmint bigwig tells them (I'm going by firsthand experience on this. Trust me, if there's an opportunity to fuck, somebody WILL jump on it!) Any sex ed program whose stated aim is to reduce pregnancy and STD rates should take that into account.

Give the kids the tools and the knowledge to play safe. Don't tell them lies that will only further engender distrust and hatred for the government on their part. We already have the damage from the fucking Drug War (another ChristiaNAZI invention) to deal with!

[Uther]

I thought the kind of working assumption of this message board was that people are generally pretty stupid? I mean, if half the people in the USA can actually vote for Bush, that's a pretty bad sign. So why should the truth be so revered? The voting electorate had uprecented access to the unequivocal truth about the economy, terrorism, the deficit, and they still voted for Bush. So why is the truth such a sacred cow? Why not instead give people information that leads them to make the right choice, even if that information isn't exactly accurate?

Yes, the teenage birth rate is at a 20 year low. Type "US teen pregnancy rate 2003" into google. Be a super stud net detective like me.

Now, it's true that the rate's been declining since about, oh, 1997. Which predates Bush . BUT, if this lying to the kids about sex is so bad, then why has crazy Mr. President's absitenence only scheme continued the downward trend in birth rates? Maybe because this whole "sex eductation has an appreciable effect on teenage sex/pregnancy/STD rates" thing is a load of crock. It's not beyond the realm of possibility.

[Uther]

AIDS graph
Here we can see that the AIDS incidence was decreasing steadily until 2000, when Bush took office, when it started to rise back up.

I'm still looking for more sources to corroborate this data and determine causality.

Thanks for the help! (HUG)

I am honoured and shall gladly return your hug!

Ok, ok Mr. puffy pants. You got me. But can you show an increase in TEEN AIDS rates? Becuase I doubt Mr. Bush's sex ed policy has an appreciable effect on a 35 year old sex fiend who gets AIDS at the local bathouse (sic).

[Admiral Valdemar]

The objection is against Bush et al going out of their way to perpetuate half truths to the mases. It doesn't help that most people are dumb as doorposts, but adding to that with blatantly false crapola is not going to help.

In fact it will exacerbate the situation. God, I love that word. Exacerbate. Rolls off the tongue so well. Rhymes with masturbate too.

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

I thought the kind of working assumption of this message board was that people are generally pretty stupid? I mean, if half the people in the USA can actually vote for Bush, that's a pretty bad sign. So why should the truth be so revered? The voting electorate had uprecented access to the unequivocal truth about the economy, terrorism, the deficit, and they still voted for Bush. So why is the truth such a sacred cow? Why not instead give people information that leads them to make the right choice, even if that information isn't exactly accurate?

The truth is not a 'sacred cow'. The electorate does not take advantage of that access, they'd rather watch the Big Media propaganda.

Define "right choice" for me. The thinking behind the passage I so thoughtfully highlighted is what got us into this mess in the first place. It's called 'Propaganda'.

Yes, the teenage birth rate is at a 20 year low. Type "US teen pregnancy rate 2003" into google. Be a super stud net detective like me.

Ok, how does this work? One site can have one set of figures, another site has a completely different set, etc. Google is not God.

Now, it's true that the rate's been declining since about, oh, 1997. Which predates Bush . BUT, if this lying to the kids about sex is so bad, then why has crazy Mr. President's absitenence only scheme continued the downward trend in birth rates? Maybe because this whole "sex eductation has an appreciable effect on teenage sex/pregnancy/STD rates" thing is a load of crock. It's not beyond the realm of possibility.

And what of Alyrium's saying just the opposite?

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

Ok, ok Mr. puffy pants. You got me. But can you show an increase in TEEN AIDS rates? Becuase I doubt Mr. Bush's sex ed policy has an appreciable effect on a 35 year old sex fiend who gets AIDS at the local bathouse (sic).

Can you argue without resorting to aspersions and hate speech?

[Alyrium Denryle]

Here ya go numbnuts

Teen birth rates, you will not it corresponds to the sex ed policy of the vrious states.

and this

[Alyrium Denryle]

Could a friendly mod fi those typos and delete ths post?

thanks in advance

[Alyrium Denryle]

Now, it's true that the rate's been declining since about, oh, 1997. Which predates Bush Surprised. BUT, if this lying to the kids about sex is so bad, then why has crazy Mr. President's absitenence only scheme continued the downward trend in birth rates? Maybe because this whole "sex eductation has an appreciable effect on teenage sex/pregnancy/STD rates" thing is a load of crock. It's not beyond the realm of possibility.

You know I love proving you wrong with graphs

[Keevan_Colton]

Impeach the bastard. He's effectively giving our kids a death sentence by HIV infection.

Ok, um first of all, you claimed Bush was trying to kill kids through AIDS. I don't really see him doing that in the article, could you point out the particular passage? I don't think funding crappy sex ed is an impeachable offense, or tantamount to murder one, but I could be wrong.

Note the qualifier you stupid fuck.

Secondly, if Bush sucks so bad, why is the teenage pregnancy rate at a 20 year low?

It isnt, that's why.

I think we should lie to kids MORE about condom efficacy, that way they won't fuck around.

Jebus Horatio Frelling Bleedin' Crimbo, where in the fuck does that make sense?
Lets lies to kids too and say guns will make you drop dead if you touch them, that way they wont use 'em...or, a classic one, lets lie about the effects of drugs of all sorts so that people will just dociely accept that we know what's best for them...

Hey shit for brains, abstinence only education is bad enough, abstinence only combined with lies is far worse. Rember you fuck head, todays kids are tommorows adults, do you want brainwashed little drones as the way of the future?

[Alyrium Denryle]

I thought the kind of working assumption of this message board was that people are generally pretty stupid? I mean, if half the people in the USA can actually vote for Bush, that's a pretty bad sign.

Yes it is

So why should the truth be so revered? The voting electorate had uprecented access to the unequivocal truth about the economy, terrorism, the deficit, and they still voted for Bush.

Because voting isnt about the issues anymore.

So why is the truth such a sacred cow? Why not instead give people information that leads them to make the right choice, even if that information isn't exactly accurate?

maybe because people are stupid and abstience only programs dont work because teenagers have sex despite them

Yes, the teenage birth rate is at a 20 year low. Type "US teen pregnancy rate 2003" into google. Be a super stud net detective like me.

I did. And my grapsh fucked your arguments with a razor wire anal beads

Now, it's true that the rate's been declining since about, oh, 1997. Which predates Bush . BUT, if this lying to the kids about sex is so bad, then why has crazy Mr. President's absitenence only scheme continued the downward trend in birth rates? Maybe because this whole "sex eductation has an appreciable effect on teenage sex/pregnancy/STD rates" thing is a load of crock. It's not beyond the realm of possibility.

CHeck my graphs. Bitch