What if the U.S. leaves the U.N.

[Admiral Bravo]

Lets say for some unknown reason the U.S. leaves the U.N. What kind of image would the U.S. get and how would this effect the U.N. and and the U.S.

[Lord Zentei]

My guess is that it would cause the world to see the US as a rogue state and/or imperial power. Consequently, there would be great alarm particularly among Russia, China and the Arab world, resulting in a new cold war.

The UN would become essentially powerless to resolve any major dispute or crisis with force, but they would still be able to impose sanctions and such. The USA's influence would allow it to circumvent these sanctions, though it would inevitably become more isolated. Eventually the UN would go the way of the League of Nations, except possibly for the humanitarian outfits (WHO, UNICEF, etc).

[Aaron]

Seeing as the League of Nations was impotent because of US non-participation I see the UN going the same way. Although in the short term Israel may suddenly find itself under sanctions as the USA is no longer there to veto them.

[Ryoga]

Would this be assuming the US continues to fund the UN for some reason?

Because if not, which seems reasonable, I see the UN tanking almost instantly due to the fact that, IIRC, the United States pays a fair bit of the UN's bill. I could be wrong, of course.

[Lord Zentei]

As I recall the US is not paying all it's UN bills, as they are attempting to pressure them into becoming more effective. The tab stands at a billion dollars, last I heard.

The US's share is something around 20-25%.

[Trogdor]

You mean we're still in the UN?

Seriously, though, I think Ryoga may be right. The fact that the UN's HQ is NYC wouldn't help, either.

[Sea Skimmer]

Seeing as the League of Nations was impotent because of US non-participation I see the UN going the same way. Although in the short term Israel may suddenly find itself under sanctions as the USA is no longer there to veto them.

Which would probably just lead to a massive step up in US aid to the country. Its GDP is only around 100 billion, for the kind of money being throw at Iraq we could subsidize the entire country.

[Lord Zentei]

You mean we're still in the UN?

Kind of, I guess.

Seriously, though, I think Ryoga may be right. The fact that the UN's HQ is NYC wouldn't help, either.

I agree that they would no longer be able to project any kind of force, so they would indeed (eventually) tank in that capacity. However I can't see why the treaties and humanitarian organizations can't survive: the WHO, UNICEF, etc. are less dependant upon Security Council power than high-profile intervension and peacekeeping missions (though the UN as a whole would be a pale shadow of it's former self). Besides, some of the institutions don't have their HQ in the US.

The "eventually" qualifier depends on how stubborn they are. The League of Nations lasted for surprisingly long given that it was completely useless.

[Spyder]

Motions against Isreal will be easier to pass.

[Admiral Bravo]

Thanks for the feedback. This has been on my mind for sometime ever since my freinds and I were talking about it, and from the looks of it the U.N. would go the way of the dodo if the U.S. left.

[CJvR]

Lets say for some unknown reason the U.S. leaves the U.N. What kind of image would the U.S. get and how would this effect the U.N. and and the U.S.

The US could hardly be more hated so now is the time to do it!
After a few years of staggering on on sheer momentum the UN would die.

[CJvR]

Motions against Isreal will be easier to pass.

But will be even harder to enforce. Also the UN-SC would have to ask itself if it want to start a war with the US if they decide to act against a vital US intrest - it was to prevent this possibility that the great powers were given a veto in the first place.

[Spyder]

Motions against Isreal will be easier to pass.

But will be even harder to enforce. Also the UN-SC would have to ask itself if it want to start a war with the US if they decide to act against a vital US intrest - it was to prevent this possibility that the great powers were given a veto in the first place.

Well they couldn't be any harder to enforce now given that they never come to fruition nomatter what Isreal does, uncle Sam is always there to bail them out. I also highly doubt that the US would declare war against the nations of the UN-SC because of condemnations and sanctions they want to press against Isreal. Also, realistically how long could the US sustain a war against the UN-SC? It can barely hold Iraq.

[MKSheppard]

Also, realistically how long could the US sustain a war against the UN-SC? It can barely hold Iraq.

Well, we have scores of Carrier Strike Groups just sitting around
doing well...nothing, since Major Combat is over in Iraq...

[Jade Falcon]

Regarding Israel, it might be possible that they would withdraw from the UN if the USA did as well.

[CJvR]

I also highly doubt that the US would declare war against the nations of the UN-SC because of condemnations and sanctions they want to press against Isreal.

The UN can condemn whatever and sanction as well the real danger don't come until it tries go beyond that, fx a blockade to enforce sanctions...

realistically how long could the US sustain a war against the UN-SC? It can barely hold Iraq.

The US is fighting that war essentially on a peace footing, war with the UN would be a total war an entirely different beast - provided the UN ever get all it's guns pointed in the same direction.

[CJvR]

Regarding Israel, it might be possible that they would withdraw from the UN if the USA did as well.

In a second, and Taiwan is not a member to begin with.

[Jade Falcon]

Regarding Israel, it might be possible that they would withdraw from the UN if the USA did as well.

In a second, and Taiwan is not a member to begin with.

Who mentioned Taiwan?

[CJvR]

Who mentioned Taiwan?

I did!
The US will not be totaly isolated outside the UN.

[Dooey Jo]

Lets say for some unknown reason the U.S. leaves the U.N. What kind of image would the U.S. get and how would this effect the U.N. and and the U.S.

Well the US would certainly be even more laughed at (at the very least by me). What the hell would they gain from leaving the UN? Perhaps it would lead to the total isolation of the USA eventually leading to the creation of a new theocracy. Much like China 600 years ago (though how theocratic China was, I don't know). The opinion seems to be that foreigners are terrorists anyway, so isolation might not be that unrealistic...

The UN would probably keep existing in one form or another. Perhaps they would form a real world police. The headquarters will probably be moved to Switzerland in any case.

[Knife]

Lets say for some unknown reason the U.S. leaves the U.N. What kind of image would the U.S. get and how would this effect the U.N. and and the U.S.

Well the US would certainly be even more laughed at (at the very least by me). What the hell would they gain from leaving the UN? Perhaps it would lead to the total isolation of the USA eventually leading to the creation of a new theocracy. Much like China 600 years ago (though how theocratic China was, I don't know). The opinion seems to be that foreigners are terrorists anyway, so isolation might not be that unrealistic...

The UN would probably keep existing in one form or another. Perhaps they would form a real world police. The headquarters will probably be moved to Switzerland in any case.

The whole thing would need a serious reorganization. Really it needs one now, but with out US support and cash, they wouldn't have the money and would have to rely on remaining members to make up the 20-25% of its budget just to stay even. Not to mention that they'd need more to shuffle assets and people that would be there when the US pulled out, as well as fund more UN led troops in all the places that the US currently has peace keepers.

I don't see the EU or China or anyone else doubling their input into the UN to keep it as it is. The UN would dwindle and perhaps dwindle down to the relief organizations, or perhaps drop the relief organizations and try to keep the SC or GC as is in another spot. But in the end, they dwindle.

I say we do it.

[Aaron]

The whole thing would need a serious reorganization. Really it needs one now, but with out US support and cash, they wouldn't have the money and would have to rely on remaining members to make up the 20-25% of its budget just to stay even. Not to mention that they'd need more to shuffle assets and people that would be there when the US pulled out, as well as fund more UN led troops in all the places that the US currently has peace keepers.

I don't see the EU or China or anyone else doubling their input into the UN to keep it as it is. The UN would dwindle and perhaps dwindle down to the relief organizations, or perhaps drop the relief organizations and try to keep the SC or GC as is in another spot. But in the end, they dwindle.

I say we do it.

I think the USA should pull out. And Canada should follow, all the UN has done for us is get my comrades killed with dumbass ROE's. But no, we have to toady to them every chance we get. Every little peacekeeping OP that comes up, Canada sticks it's hand up and says:

Please take my soldiers for your cause, and feel free to impose ridiculous ROE's on them.

[Col. Crackpot]

do we get to retake that nice chunk of land in Manhattan and fore the UN to relocate to Sealand? That would make me giggle.

[Stark]

I think if the US wasn't in the UN, it'd keep the UN away from crazy things (ie Somalia) and limit them to doing what they do best, like organising worldwide humanitarian organisations and providing an international forum. Hardly a loss, really; and America can be as imperialistic as it likes, its only making itself less popular.

[Durandal]

Motions against Isreal will be easier to pass.

But will be even harder to enforce. Also the UN-SC would have to ask itself if it want to start a war with the US if they decide to act against a vital US intrest - it was to prevent this possibility that the great powers were given a veto in the first place.

Well they couldn't be any harder to enforce now given that they never come to fruition nomatter what Isreal does, uncle Sam is always there to bail them out. I also highly doubt that the US would declare war against the nations of the UN-SC because of condemnations and sanctions they want to press against Isreal. Also, realistically how long could the US sustain a war against the UN-SC? It can barely hold Iraq.

We wouldn't be able to invade and occupy, of course, but we've certainly still got the capacity to blow the shit out of anyone we want to.