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Florida Kerry supporters meet for group therapy
Voters shout epithets at President Bush during first PEST counseling session

Published Thursday, December 2, 2004 at 6:00 pm
by Sean Salai


Twenty John Kerry supporters met for their first group therapy session in
South Florida Thursday, screaming epithets at President Bush as they shared
their emotions with licensed mental health counselors.
The first of several free noontime therapy sessions at the American Health
Association in Boca Raton was designed to treat what mental health
counselors have dubbed Post Election Selection Trauma (PEST).
“If I had a cardboard cutout of President Bush, and these people wanted to
throw darts at it, I would let them do it,” Robert J. Gordon, AHA executive
director, told the Boca News after the session. “It’s no joke. People with
PEST were traumatized by the election. If you even mention religion, their
faces turn blister-red as they shout at Bush.”
Although the meeting was closed to the press, AHA therapists obtained
permission from participants to provide an anonymous transcript to the Boca
Raton News.
“I’m scared,” said one man. “Democracy is at stake and nobody is rising to
protest this president.”
“I want to be a patriot, but it’s impossible to be a patriot in an immoral
war,” said another participant, a woman. “Bush is breaking up marriages and
dividing families by keeping our troops in Iraq.”
Gordon said the participants also granted reluctant permission to open up
next Thursday’s meeting to the general press. Reporters will be forbidden
from taking photographs or using the real names of patients.
“The media outlets, especially Rush Limbaugh and his ilk on talk radio,
scare our patients to death,” said Gordon, facilitator for the meetings.
“More than anything else, people with PEST tremble physically.”
Gordon said the Kerry supporters in therapy are predominantly Jewish and
older than 50. Most are registered independents and all live in Palm Beach
County.
“We mostly let them vent during the first session,” Gordon said. “By the
third session, we’ll be doing some meditation exercises to aid some of their
symptoms. We may use visualization and some techniques designed for bipolar
disease and other mental disorders. That might help them adjust to reality.”
According to AHA officials, symptoms of PEST are similar to post-traumatic
stress disorder. They include nightmares, sleeplessness, hostility,
listlessness, and emotional outbursts including threats to leave the
country.
“There’s an overall sense of emotional helplessness and abandonment,” said
Sheila Cooperman, a licensed AHA psychotherapist from Delray Beach. “In
psychology, we call it ‘learned helplessness.’ After you zap a caged dog
twice, he stops moving because he knows there is no place to go. That’s what
happened with these Kerry voters. They’ve been zapped so many times that
they’re on the verge of giving up on politics.”
Cooperman, also a practicing psychic, added, “One person today said he
thinks the country is now run by fascists. Another felt personally
threatened by the president’s love for big business. Many believe Bush is
going to draft their grandchildren. The anxiety may not affect them every
day, but it affects their energy level.”
An additional 30 people are signed up for two other AHA election support
groups, which will meet for the remainder of the year and possibly beyond.
Gordon said his patients’ emotional problems typically started with the
“hanging chad” debacle of 2000.
“First, they need to realize they’re not going to overturn the 2004
election,” Gordon said. “They have to live with it. The problem is they have
no faith because they think the religious right has hijacked the political
system. We try to tell them there is still an election in 2008. You can’t
just give up and be apathetic.”
The AHA, using a holistic approach to health that has been mocked as new age
voodoo by some national talk show hosts, has stressed to patients that their
post-election emotions are normal and deserve to be taken seriously.
“These people talk about the 2000 election being stolen,” Gordon said. “They
talk about Theresa LePore and the Ohio recount. They feel it’s the ‘Right
House,’ not the White House. They feel the world is not safe with George W.
Bush as president. They spewed out a lot of anger. They are angry at the
Democratic Party for being aimless and leaderless. They have a right to
these feelings.”
The Boca Raton News first reported on Nov. 9 that depressed Florida Kerry
supporters were seeking trauma therapy in the wake of the Nov. 2
presidential election. One Boca psychologist alone, Douglas Schooler,
eventually treated 20 Kerry voters with intense hypnotherapy — for a sliding
fee.
The trauma specialist, whose bills were covered by clients’ insurance
companies, was later accused by some colleagues of unethically “cashing in”
on the misery of Kerry voters. In interviews with the Boca News, Schooler
said many of the Kerry supporters had visited him for severe mental problems
prior to the election.
Unlike Schooler, the AHA is a registered Florida non-profit and its
therapists do not charge for sessions. Conservative talk show hosts Sean
Hannity and Rush Limbaugh recently offered their own “free therapy,” irking
the AHA counselors.

Sean Salai can be reached at ssalai@bocanews.com or 561-893-6427
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I want to be a patriot, but it’s impossible to be a patriot in an immoral
war,” said another participant, a woman. “Bush is breaking up marriages and
dividing families by keeping our troops in Iraq.”
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Yeah, Bush made your husband/wife sign up. :roll: I tire of the 'poor little reservist, he didn't sign up to go to war' line.
The first of several free noontime therapy sessions at the American Health
Association in Boca Raton was designed to treat what mental health
counselors have dubbed Post Election Selection Trauma (PEST).
If its free for the nutballs, who's paying?
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Knife wrote:
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Yeah, Bush made your husband/wife sign up. :roll: I tire of the 'poor little reservist, he didn't sign up to go to war' line.
I bet some of them didn't. If there are Regular Force members who just signed up for the education benefits than there must be reservist ones as well. Personally I think we should put those guys on the front line, make them earn that free education.
If its free for the nutballs, who's paying?
Your tax dollars.
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Cpl Kendall wrote:
I bet some of them didn't. If there are Regular Force members who just signed up for the education benefits than there must be reservist ones as well. Personally I think we should put those guys on the front line, make them earn that free education.
Twas my point, but yeah. If you want the $ for college, or any of the other benifits, keep in the back of your mind, that its still called the 'Army' reserve or the 'Naval or Marine or Air Force' reserve for a reason. Not the 'free college reserve'.
Your tax dollars.
Now I might have a case of PEST, vent and piss and moan on your own dime, fucking partisan assholes. :evil:
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong

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Knife wrote:
Twas my point, but yeah. If you want the $ for college, or any of the other benifits, keep in the back of your mind, that its still called the 'Army' reserve or the 'Naval or Marine or Air Force' reserve for a reason. Not the 'free college reserve'.
If your joining for the free college funds, why not join the Naval Reserve. Hell thousands joined the Navy to avoid getting drafted and fighting in Nam. Use your brain, if your going to fleece the system at least try and do it competantly.
Now I might have a case of PEST, vent and piss and moan on your own dime, fucking partisan assholes. :evil:
Just goes to show that theres a disorder for all behavior now. Maybe Kerry's paying for it out of his pocket as a consolation prize for his faithful. :lol:
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Just goes to show that theres a disorder for all behavior now. Maybe Kerry's paying for it out of his pocket as a consolation prize for his faithful.
You mean Teraza? She keeps the checkbook. :P
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Knife wrote:
You mean Teraza? She keeps the checkbook. :P
Well in that case, maybe she felt sorry for his followers and is helping them to better themselves. Get a grip. Bush will only be around for another 4 years. If I can live with PTSD for 5 years, they can deal with Bush.

If they hate it so much, than immigrate to Canada. The Liberal Government would love to have more Bush haters here. :finger:
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Deep breaths Kendall. This makes me wonder though, if Kerry had won, would Bush supporters try the same thing?

Still I got nothing but a hearty fuck you for the boys and girls who thought they could join and do nothing. Hey fuckers, I needed the college money to, but I was willing to earn it. Fuck join the Air Force becoe a Air Traffic Controler or something, at least then you can stay outta the front and still be somewhat useful.
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frigidmagi wrote:Deep breaths Kendall. This makes me wonder though, if Kerry had won, would Bush supporters try the same thing?
I doubt it. They would turn to God and the church and possibly blame themselves for not being faithful enough.
Still I got nothing but a hearty fuck you for the boys and girls who thought they could join and do nothing. Hey fuckers, I needed the college money to, but I was willing to earn it. Fuck join the Air Force becoe a Air Traffic Controler or something, at least then you can stay outta the front and still be somewhat useful.
Agreed. I didn't even know that the Canadian Forces would give you money for your education but I joined anyways. I payed heavily for it, but I am proud that I served my country. I have met soldiers that joined up for the money, and I hold them in the highest contempt.

Like you said, joing the AF or Navy get a trade that will keep you out of the line. But at least you'll be helping those of us who carry a rifle. There's no place in the line for people who don't want to be there.
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Cpl Kendall wrote:I doubt it. They would turn to God and the church and possibly blame themselves for not being faithful enough.
Of course, not all of Bush's voters were fundies (most, but not all): there were also groups like NeoCons, rich fatcats (who are the ones benefiting from Bush's economic policies), and the "Shrubby's the lesser of 2 evils" crowd: None of these groups are necessarly religious at all, so I wonder how they'd have reacted?
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Ma Deuce wrote:
Cpl Kendall wrote:I doubt it. They would turn to God and the church and possibly blame themselves for not being faithful enough.
Of course, not all of Bush's voters were fundies (most, but not all): there were also groups like NeoCons, rich fatcats (who are the ones benefiting from Bush's economic policies), and the "Shrubby's the lesser of 2 evils" crowd: None of these groups are necessarly religious at all, so I wonder how they'd have reacted?
You know, it's entirely possible they would have congratulated Kerry supporters and gone on with their lives. You know, like adults. :roll:
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Personally I don't like the way Bush is leaning on the Reservists/National Guard the way he is with Iraq. IMO this kind of stuff and usage is not what the reserves are for, but I will agree that the whining by some people does get annoying. I certainly don't feel sorry for anyone who claims that "they only joined for the college money".

One of the reasons I'm not in the Reserves/National Guard is because a lot of people were called up in GWI. So it's not like there wasn't some recent precident for being activated. Plus, certain types of military jobs get activated a lot more than others. People who go into those jobs have to know that the odds of being activated sometime are pretty good.


As for the rest of the article there isn't a :roll: big enough. I keep picturing the movie Airplane where everyone is lining up to smack the shit out of the hysterical woman because some of these people could benefit from something like that.
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Shrinks making money by inventing disorders and coddling people who deserve slaps alongside the head... who'd've thunked it.

Y'know, I haven't voted for a single winning presidential candidate in my life. Where the fuck is my therapy? I need a shoulder to cry on, STAT! :cry:
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Cpl Kendall wrote:If your joining for the free college funds, why not join the Naval Reserve. Hell thousands joined the Navy to avoid getting drafted and fighting in Nam. Use your brain, if your going to fleece the system at least try and do it competantly.
Because you gotta be 21 to join the Navy Reserve. :)
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So "democracy is in danger" when a candidate becomes president after winning 51% of the popular vote. Go figure. Nutjobs like these are what gives Liberalism a bad name. As a centrist, I can see the far right complaining if Kerry had won, but they would have complained about their own failure to rally enough support as well as "moral decay in society" and whatnot. They would at least not have pulled mental disorders out of their asses. :roll:
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Tsyroc wrote:Personally I don't like the way Bush is leaning on the Reservists/National Guard the way he is with Iraq. IMO this kind of stuff and usage is not what the reserves are for, but I will agree that the whining by some people does get annoying. I certainly don't feel sorry for anyone who claims that "they only joined for the college money".
So what are they for then? The purpose of a Reserve Force is to suppliment the Regular Forces when they need extra troops. The days of the Reserves sitting at home with their thumbs up their asses ended with Vietnam, thank fucking god. Other countries make exstensive use of their Reserves, like Canada.
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Cpl Kendall wrote: So what are they for then? The purpose of a Reserve Force is to suppliment the Regular Forces when they need extra troops. The days of the Reserves sitting at home with their thumbs up their asses ended with Vietnam, thank fucking god. Other countries make exstensive use of their Reserves, like Canada.
Agreed. Especially since the gradual move of alot of tech jobs to the reserves. If you join, you join. You just get more liberty as a reservist. :wink:
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Cpl Kendall wrote: So what are they for then? The purpose of a Reserve Force is to suppliment the Regular Forces when they need extra troops. The days of the Reserves sitting at home with their thumbs up their asses ended with Vietnam, thank fucking god. Other countries make exstensive use of their Reserves, like Canada.
They seem to be doing a bit more than supplementing these days but you are correct.

It is just my personal opinion that the reserves should be there for emergencies. I just don't consider invading and occupying two countries to be emergencies. My problem is that I got my image of the reserves back during the Cold War. The regulars took care of the regular stuff and fair to middlin' conflicts but the reserves were there in case the Red Hoards decided to go all out and were ready to storm our borders. :D

I guess one of the things that pisses me off about this is that the government seems to be playing it cheap these days. It appears that in at least a few areas they routinely don't have the manpower to really do anything but the bare minimum without activating reservists. This always seems to be the case when it comes to medical staff and more recently it tends to apply to people who are trained in security.

In the case of Iraq and Afghanistan using the reserves as much as they are comes across to me like poor planning but I obviously don't have quite the same mindset as the people in charge. They probably consider it good planning to be using the reserves.

I will say that I really don't see the point of most of the Navy Reserve. The people who were reservists in my rate really were sitting on their asses collecting a paycheck. The few guys I saw during their two weeks of drill usually got stuck cleaning and painting a lot. Not really something that would be keeping any sort of rating skills up to speed.
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Knife wrote: Agreed. Especially since the gradual move of alot of tech jobs to the reserves. If you join, you join. You just get more liberty as a reservist. :wink:
That's cool.:) As long as people are aware that that is how it's going to be.

I'm just too conservative. I keep thinking of a reserve as a safety net or emergency backup. The way Bush is using it feels like I blew my savings and started dipping into the kid's college fund to play the stockmarket or something like that. :D

Now this discussion brings to mind a great quote from the classic film ;) Spies Like Us "An unused weapon is a useless weapon". I guess that could apply to having a reserve and never using it.

Maybe we should have tiers of reserves kind of like farm teams in baseball.
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Tsyroc wrote: They seem to be doing a bit more than supplementing these days but you are correct.
Well the US Regular Force isn't large enough to conduct the present level of operations without severe troop burn out. So you can call it whatever you want but the Reserves are fullfilling their function.
It is just my personal opinion that the reserves should be there for emergencies. I just don't consider invading and occupying two countries to be emergencies. My problem is that I got my image of the reserves back during the Cold War. The regulars took care of the regular stuff and fair to middlin' conflicts but the reserves were there in case the Red Hoards decided to go all out and were ready to storm our borders. :D
Well the Cold War is over and with it the need to find new roles for the Reserves as well as the Regular Force. So if a war isn't an emergency than what else should the Reserves be doing? I assume you mean they should be kept around for natural disasters and home security.
I guess one of the things that pisses me off about this is that the government seems to be playing it cheap these days. It appears that in at least a few areas they routinely don't have the manpower to really do anything but the bare minimum without activating reservists. This always seems to be the case when it comes to medical staff and more recently it tends to apply to people who are trained in security.
Well the mantra with all Western forces these days seems to be: do more with less. The instant the government needs more money they cut education and the military.
In the case of Iraq and Afghanistan using the reserves as much as they are comes across to me like poor planning but I obviously don't have quite the same mindset as the people in charge. They probably consider it good planning to be using the reserves.
Well it's there only option really. Without using them they get rusty, as well the Reg Force would be burned out within a few years due to their present operations tempo.
I will say that I really don't see the point of most of the Navy Reserve. The people who were reservists in my rate really were sitting on their asses collecting a paycheck. The few guys I saw during their two weeks of drill usually got stuck cleaning and painting a lot. Not really something that would be keeping any sort of rating skills up to speed.
Thats is the result of poor planning i would say. You need to keep your skills sharp, and should be using your on-duty time to practice them. Not painting shit.
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That's cool.:) As long as people are aware that that is how it's going to be.

I'm just too conservative. I keep thinking of a reserve as a safety net or emergency backup. The way Bush is using it feels like I blew my savings and started dipping into the kid's college fund to play the stockmarket or something like that. :D

Now this discussion brings to mind a great quote from the classic film ;) Spies Like Us "An unused weapon is a useless weapon". I guess that could apply to having a reserve and never using it.

Maybe we should have tiers of reserves kind of like farm teams in baseball.
Meh, we got to face the fact that the chances of the US main land being invaded is quite low. So having a large reserve force that sits on the mainland and does nothing but wait for the coming invasion is a waste.

Granted, Bush and Rumsfeld went from 0 to 60 on using the reserves and I understand the change in tempo is rough for those who didn't really expect to do anyting but......

I will agree that if they intend to keep this type of deployment structure up with the reserves, they really need to reorganise them for it. Rapid deployment regiments of reserves and regiments of technical and sercurity personel.

I also think that the National Guard should be paired down, with alot of the combat jobs shifted to regular reserves and concentrate on engineering and SAR, to keep a small force in each state to assit the Goveners in emergencies and be a low tier, no shit emergency reserve.
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"Do more with less..."

Huh.

10 billion for a silly as missile defense and we can barely get parts for our up-armored humvees here.

10 billion can supply every army in the world with up-armored Humvees and still leave enough change for full fuel tanks as well.
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Heh ... Post Election Selection Trauma == PEST.
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