80 year old makes machine gun out of drill.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-12-04 01:08pm

IIRC the 11th Circut Court ruled that totaly home made weapons do not fall under any firearms restrictions meaning you can legaly build fully automatic weapons from scratch (no buying different weapon parts and putting them together) in those states and the 1934 and 1986 laws can't touch you.

Ryoga · Post by **Ryoga** » 2004-12-04 01:22pm

So, basically, if he was living in the U.S. he would have gotten off scot-free? That's awesome.

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2004-12-04 02:10pm

Ryoga wrote:So, basically, if he was living in the U.S. he would have gotten off scot-free? That's awesome.

Actually, I think that was the 9th Circuit's ruling, but regardless it only applies in that court's specific jurisdiction (the West Coast, IIRC).

And I'm willing to bet that SCOTUS will overturn the decision anyway.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2004-12-04 11:38pm

Alyeska wrote:IIRC the 11th Circut Court ruled that totaly home made weapons do not fall under any firearms restrictions meaning you can legaly build fully automatic weapons from scratch (no buying different weapon parts and putting them together) in those states and the 1934 and 1986 laws can't touch you.

On the other hand, you can't sell it ever.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2004-12-04 11:53pm

Glocksman wrote:
Ryoga wrote:So, basically, if he was living in the U.S. he would have gotten off scot-free? That's awesome. :lol:
Actually, I think that was the 9th Circuit's ruling, but regardless it only applies in that court's specific jurisdiction (the West Coast, IIRC).

And I'm willing to bet that SCOTUS will overturn the decision anyway.

I'm not so sure about that. SCOTUS hasn't ruled on a gun law in about seventy years, and the last time it did it stated that the only weapons you could legally and unrestrictedly own were military firearms. Which means of course that you can ban a deer hunting rifle but not an AK-47, on the militia theory, of course.

Assuming that SCOTUS upholds precedent, virtually all of the gun laws in the country would be struck down should a case ever actually reach them.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-12-04 11:54pm

Glocksman wrote:
Ryoga wrote:So, basically, if he was living in the U.S. he would have gotten off scot-free? That's awesome.
Actually, I think that was the 9th Circuit's ruling, but regardless it only applies in that court's specific jurisdiction (the West Coast, IIRC).

And I'm willing to bet that SCOTUS will overturn the decision anyway.

Yeah, it was the 9ths, and Montana is one of the states affected by that ruling (Go me!)

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2004-12-04 11:56pm

Beowulf wrote:
Alyeska wrote:IIRC the 11th Circut Court ruled that totaly home made weapons do not fall under any firearms restrictions meaning you can legaly build fully automatic weapons from scratch (no buying different weapon parts and putting them together) in those states and the 1934 and 1986 laws can't touch you.
On the other hand, you can't sell it ever.

You can't eh? Umm, can you give it away and merely charge your time and materials?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-12-05 12:05am

Be all kinds of fun ways to get around that.

"So, $2000 dollars for this used cardboard box? Great! And I'll throw in this homemade automatic weapon for free."

Executor32 · Post by **Executor32** » 2004-12-05 04:53pm

Reminds me of the convenience store guy in Vampire: Bloodlines (not verbatim):

"Just purchase a really expensive drink or bag of chips and get a free weapon of your choice!"