Anti-fundie virus

[Frank Hipper]

Technically stating a lack of belief in any god would be a religous belief (a lack of belief in any god, but you believe that tought)

I`ll accept that for the sake of argument. If you promulgate said belief with gusto, it`s your sewage in your tightie whities. What a polite world it would be.

[data_link]

I see, Fucktards like Old Bean the Moderator? Kindly explain your statment consdiring the fact I'm dead fucking serious

Sorry Bean, I was under the impression that you were mocking me. I apoligize for my mistake.

[Iceberg]

I'm starting to get the feeling that the public opinion around here is such that suggesting that people firebomb churches would be met with wild applause...

[Alyeska]

I'm starting to get the feeling that the public opinion around here is such that suggesting that people firebomb churches would be met with wild applause...

Not only that but genocide against other religons is just fine. Kiss Islam good bye.

[fgalkin]

We don't need to kill all the fundies. Just isolate and sterilize them.

(and for those that don't get it, it was a JOKE).



Now, let's move on:
We should not kill all fundies because, as someone said eariler, they are but unfortunate brainwashed fools. They have had no experience other than the fundamentalist life they had.

Killing millions of people just for their religious beleif is wrong. You may think that Stalin is cool, but someone whose great-grandparents were executed by him does not. Genocide is unacceptable for any reason.

Finally, the Chrisitian fundamentalists in this country do not represent a threat grave enough to give us reason to exterminate them. As for the Middle East, the only way to deal with it is to let the people there duke it out by themselves.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin.

[Iceberg]

I'm starting to get the feeling that the public opinion around here is such that suggesting that people firebomb churches would be met with wild applause...

Not only that but genocide against other religons is just fine. Kiss Islam good bye.

<joke>Not that that's a bad thing...</joke>

Seriously speaking, some people need a paradigm shift and need it badly. There's no sense in becoming even worse than your opponent in order to fight him.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Hmm, it is kinda shocking that such a notion exists and can be widely supported too.

I, despite my constant struggle against idiots from every branch of life, would never do such a thing.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

What kind of people are you?! Stupidity is annoying but not a crime punishable by death!

[David]

Some jokes are just not funny. This is one of them.

[David]

This thread is sick and ridiculous, but I'm going to re-open this thread on the protests from Data_link.


First off, this forum is for serious debating, not jacking up your post count. If you are not serious about this, don't post here.



In response to the original post, data_link, you did not post a thread about killing off a large part of the population for the good off humankind as you said in your pm to me. You suggested that killing every person with any type of belief that could not be backed up by scientific proof be killed. You do realize you just decided to kill off most of the planet don't you? I agree with Alyseka, Hitler would be proud of you. You believe for some reason that you are somehow superior to billions of other people because of the beliefs that they hold. The only time I think another human being sould be killed is if it is demonstrated that they pose a danger to everyone else. Certain people in the Middle East and elsewhere have said they would have no problem killing me and every other American citizen. Do I mind if they die in a war? No, because they intend to do the same to me. They use the religion of Islam to justify their actions. Does that mean I in return kill all Muslims? Hell No! Other than people who use their religion for the sole purpose of justifing their bloodlust, I doubt any fundies have held you at gunpoint lately.


You also assume that all people who are in this group you have targeted for slaughter are stupid. Are you saying that they are fall below a certain I.Q. range? I assure you that if you set the limit of this supposed virus at the highest fundie I.Q., not only would you be dead, but so would virtually every person on the face of the earth.

[Darth Yoshi]

The ends do not justify the means. No matter how stupid fundies are, they don't deserve genocide. Even though without all the fundies we'll be rid of stupidity for a while, ultimately such an act is futile because stupidity, like laziness, is an inherent part of humanity. As long as there are people, there will be those who irrationally hold onto their beliefs in the face of all logic based attacks. A better solution would be to isolate and re-educate fundies, and to expose their children to a diverse environment.

And I'm not sure if I should thank you for re-opening the thread, Oh Supreme Lord of Monkeys.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Genocide is very immoral, but the way I see it is that the needs of the world outweigh the needs of a few. I still dont necessarily condone an act of genocide, but in this case how are we defining fundie?

[David]

I guess you don't care about the fact that inteligence is more or less random and that two people under 90 can produce someone at 130?

Nooo thats called Genetics, Remeber the situation at hand

Without fundies to lead the crusade against nonconventional families, sexual preferences etc., legal recognition of hman rights will increase.

Science will increase by leaps and bounds now that it no longer has to defend itself politically.

The average intelligence of the human gene pool will increase.

Remeber that fokes the question is would it help that factor has been eliminated the Question at hand is it Moral to kill people in the name of Man-Kind

The question is phrase in such a way you get riled up over the idea of people killing each other JUST Because they are Fundmentlist or Christian or Jewish or Pagan or whatever

Thats not the question

The question basicly boils down to, Is it moral to "Cull" the popluation of its negative eliments
To use a Comparsion sort of a Ben Gessent sitation written large(As Dune I'm not sure how to spell thier title)
However we are not trying to breed a Maulidub we are trying to breed a race of them, not prophets, but good, hard working and intellgent people



You people are misunderstand the question and lettting your emoitions get away from yourself

Dune is fiction Bean, try to remember that. You cannot "breed" "good, hard working intelligent people." Someone being good falls back to the question of ethics. Being hard working is a personal choice. Millions of people a born every year that are less or more intelligent than their parents.


How successful a person is in life has nothing to do with someone's intelligence. I've seen borderline retarded people awarded diplomas when everyone told them they were a waste of oxygen. I've seen geniuses hunted down for murder. I've personally seen friends fail in school that were brilliant, because they would not study.

[Coyote]

Hello, Data_Link. It's the Kikeyote.

You know what? I wouldn't even want to make them wear yellow crosses on their clothes and work them to death in camps.

Gollygee, wonder why?

What's the difference, Huh? Gas or germs? Just 'cause you'd turn one valve instead of another, that's supposed to make me stand up and applaud? What did I say in an earlier post-- the Holocaust was not an internship. If you become the enemy in order to defeat the enemy, then you are the enemy--

--and I'll cross swords with you myself, dog.

[David]

Genocide is very immoral, but the way I see it is that the needs of the world outweigh the needs of a few. I still dont necessarily condone an act of genocide, but in this case how are we defining fundie?

As I said before, in this case the fundies are the many. If you follow that line of thought you might as well kill yourself, because I'm sure most fundies would agree the world would be a better place without gays.


As to the definition of a fundie, that would be anyone who holds to a belief that they cannot back up with some type of proof.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Hmm good point

[David]

The ends do not justify the means. No matter how stupid fundies are, they don't deserve genocide. Even though without all the fundies we'll be rid of stupidity for a while, ultimately such an act is futile because stupidity, like laziness, is an inherent part of humanity. As long as there are people, there will be those who irrationally hold onto their beliefs in the face of all logic based attacks. A better solution would be to isolate and re-educate fundies, and to expose their children to a diverse environment.

And I'm not sure if I should thank you for re-opening the thread, Oh Supreme Lord of Monkeys.

I am not the Gestapo of the SD.Net. I closed it because I could not understand why anyone would support mass murder, but apparently some do. So I'd like to know how they justify this.

[haas mark]

Okay, if we were to define fundie as one that is defined as above AND as one who is an intolerable bigot? How would that change the dynamiccs of the situaton?

[Alyeska]

Okay, if we were to define fundie as one that is defined as above AND as one who is an intolerable bigot? How would that change the dynamiccs of the situaton?

They are still brainwashed ignorant people. That does not warrent their death.

[David]

What do you mean by intorerable bigot? I understand where you are coming from, since you are gay. But if you spotted a croud of peaceful fundies protesting homosexual rights at the White House, does that give you the right to whip out an uzi and mow them down? Let's remember we are talking about murdering people.

[Darth Wong]

They are still brainwashed ignorant people. That does not warrent their death.

The Nazis were brainwashed ignorant people; their actions still merited death.

I am in the annoying position of disagreeing with both sides:

1. The fact that someone is influenced by his upbringing does not excuse his behaviour; this is no different than the old "he had a difficult childhood" excuse for criminals. We all must take responsibility for our own actions. Therefore, the fact that fundies are brainwashed has precisely zero impact on the question of how they should be treated. Only their actions matter.
2. Having said that, it is still wrong to punish someone for something he might do, but hasn't done yet. Fundies are prone to a lot of things, but that doesn't necessarily mean they should be punished proactively for them. The child of an abusive father will have an extremely high probability of becoming an abuser himself, but we don't sterilize him to prevent that possibility.

Just my $.02

[haas mark]

Alyeska: Did I say it did?

David: First, intolerable bigot (as redundant as that is) as it is defined basically on this message board: one that won't lower their wall of ignorance for anyhting. And no, it doesn't justify whipping out my semi-auto just because they are protesting gay rights. And in no way did this have anything to do with me being gay.

[Alyrium Denryle]

I would define an intolerable bigot to be someone like thishttp://www.godhatesfags.comHe is so evil, he has a "Matthew Shepard has been in hell" day counter.

[data_link]

I thank David, Supreme Lord of Monkeys for his fairness in judgment. That said, I would like to know how I gave anyone the impression that I adovacate killing people for their beliefs? Perhaps he misses the part where I said religous fundamentalists as opposed to simply religious people? Perhaps he is not aware of the fact that fundies in fact compose a very small fraction of all religious people? Or perhaps he is not aware of the fact that fundies DO nessecarily use their religion to harm other people.

Fundies have:

Committed numerous acts of harassment in their attempts to convert everyone to their religion.

Attempted (and succeeded in some states) in mandating that a portion of their religion be taught in science classes.

Taught millions of people not to think.

Pubicly attacked science in all political avenues, thereby forcing scientists to spend inordinate amounts of time defending their profession as opposed to doing genuine research.

Infiltrated American politics to allow for the U.S. support of highly immoral regimes (Israel)

Discredited mainstream religion with their bigoted attitudes.

Harassed hundreds of millions of innocent non-fundies, for not conforming to their bigoted moral codes.

Attempted (and succeded in some states) to outlaw:
Premarital sex
Anal sex
Homosexuality
Satanism
Atheism
Science
Abortion
Swearing
Democracy
Thought

And of course, there is that small subset of fundies who are also terrorists.

This virus does not, and cannot, infect those who are religious but are nice enough to avoid using those beliefs to justify bigoted or opressive behavior. This does not target people for being religous or engaging in acts of worship. It only targets fundies, who are guilty of using their religious beliefs to proclaim themselves superior to others. If you cannot see the difference between that and killing every person with any type of belief that could not be backed up by scientific proof, then I truly pity you.

[Alyeska]

They are still brainwashed ignorant people. That does not warrent their death.

The Nazis were brainwashed ignorant people.

I am in the annoying position of disagreeing with both sides:

1. The fact that someone is influenced by his upbringing does not excuse his behaviour; this is no different than the old "he had a difficult childhood" excuse for criminals. We all must take responsibility for our own actions. Therefore, the fact that fundies are brainwashed has precisely zero impact on the question of how they should be treated. Only their actions matter.
2. Having said that, it is still wrong to punish someone for something he might do, but hasn't done yet. Fundies are prone to a lot of things, but that doesn't necessarily mean they should be punished proactively for them. The child of an abusive father will have an extremely high probability of becoming an abuser himself, but we don't sterilize him to prevent that possibility.

Just my $.02

The Nazis were brainwashed people who sought out and killed people AND supported a war against Europe. There is a bit of a difference between the two groups.