Borg's adaptation against raw energy weapons

[Master of Ossus]

It's pretty much the same thing, from what we can tell. Tactical cubes are not likely to have weapons and shields that are orders of magnitude greater than the weapons and shields available to regular cubes.

So its like the difference between an ISD I and an ISD II?
Just slightly better then the last.

We don't really know. We haven't seen a lot of tactical cubes in action, but we can base our assessment of their capabilities on known Borg abilities to adapt, and so on. Tactical cubes do not seem like they could possibly be so much greater than an ISD that a tactical cube could defeat a Star Destroyer, when a Borg cube would be slaughtered by it so easily.

[Isolder74]

It's pretty much the same thing, from what we can tell. Tactical cubes are not likely to have weapons and shields that are orders of magnitude greater than the weapons and shields available to regular cubes.

So its like the difference between an ISD I and an ISD II?
Just slightly better then the last.

That is what it appears to be a armored cube nothing more

[FettKyle]

Is there anything the borg can offer that at least withstand one shot from an HTL with 3.95 Teraton yeild?

[Illuminatus Primus]

Yeah. The Unimatrix.

[Darth Servo]

Is there anything the borg can offer that at least withstand one shot from an HTL with 3.95 Teraton yeild?

One of their planets.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Well, to sum up, can we conclude that:

- the Borg cannot adapt to raw energy weapons
- the way the Borg resist raw energy weapon is just the same like others do: increasing shield's power, thus diverting more power to shields (since the Borg doesn't have unlimited energy reserve)
- the reason the Borg could adapt to phasers is due to phaser's unique property itself: frequency dependency

So could we safely conclude those points above?

[Illuminatus Primus]

Indeed.

Actually, most of the official Trek non-canon assumes this anyway, and they've been hired to produce offical Trek, even if it isn't canon.

In Star Trek Elite Force, there's a weapon (I believe known as the Infinity Modulator or something) that cycles through infinite random frequencies and is immune to Borg drone personal shielding. Nice toy.

[Master of Ossus]

I think it safe to conclude that the Borg drone shields do grant a very limited protection against phaser fire, and other similar beam weapon fire, even BEFORE the Borg adapt (on the flip-side of adaptation by not increasing shield power), but that this protection is negligable compared to the full-scale fire of weapons powerful enough to knock down a person or similar target. Thus, what the Borg call "adaptation" may more correctly be termed "optimization." The Borg are optimizing their shields to absorb weapons fire at a certain frequency, but they cannot practically increase the amount of total power that their shields can absorb/deflect.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

The Borg are optimizing their shields to absorb weapons fire at a certain frequency, but they cannot practically increase the amount of total power that their shields can absorb/deflect.

No, wait, this is interesting, MoO. If the Borg cannot increase the power of their shields, then they're more primitive than we thought. Even small SW crafts like X-Wing can increase the power of their shields by diverting power from other sub-systems like laser cannons or engines.

[Master of Ossus]

The Borg are optimizing their shields to absorb weapons fire at a certain frequency, but they cannot practically increase the amount of total power that their shields can absorb/deflect.

No, wait, this is interesting, MoO. If the Borg cannot increase the power of their shields, then they're more primitive than we thought. Even small SW crafts like X-Wing can increase the power of their shields by diverting power from other sub-systems like laser cannons or engines.

Not necessarily more primitive. It could just mean that the Borg shields are designed to be isolated, so that overloading them will not damage the rest of the drone, or it could mean that they are purposely designed to operate continuously at a specific power output, whereas SW ships are designed for flexibility. Perhaps the Borg have that technology, but simply choose not to use it on their drones due to problems with reaction time, or similar. We can't really draw a conclusion, other than that the Borg do not have the ability to increase their shield power by diverting energy from other systems temporarily.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

The Borg are optimizing their shields to absorb weapons fire at a certain frequency, but they cannot practically increase the amount of total power that their shields can absorb/deflect.

No, wait, this is interesting, MoO. If the Borg cannot increase the power of their shields, then they're more primitive than we thought. Even small SW crafts like X-Wing can increase the power of their shields by diverting power from other sub-systems like laser cannons or engines.

Not necessarily more primitive. It could just mean that the Borg shields are designed to be isolated, so that overloading them will not damage the rest of the drone, or it could mean that they are purposely designed to operate continuously at a specific power output, whereas SW ships are designed for flexibility. Perhaps the Borg have that technology, but simply choose not to use it on their drones due to problems with reaction time, or similar. We can't really draw a conclusion, other than that the Borg do not have the ability to increase their shield power by diverting energy from other systems temporarily.

I know, I was just being nasty to the Borg Die, Borg! DIE DIE DIE!!!

But seriously speaking, if the Borg don't have the ability to increase the power of their shield, can we rationalize Borg's adaptation against blaster (drone) and turbolaser (cubes) in Conquest?

[Master of Ossus]

Mike has stated that he did increase the Borg's abilities to make for a better story. There's just no way that an engrossing story can be made if one side can simply roll over the other one without any danger, whatsoever. Just look at Graham Kennedy's atrocious "Portal" for an example.

[Isolder74]

Mike has stated that he did increase the Borg's abilities to make for a better story. There's just no way that an engrossing story can be made if one side can simply roll over the other one without any danger, whatsoever. Just look at Graham Kennedy's atrocious "Portal" for an example.

Portals is not even worthy to be called fiction. I have looked at it and only read the first 3 paragraphs and the writing style is awful. The dumbing down of Star Wars didnt impress me either.

[Master of Ossus]

Mike has stated that he did increase the Borg's abilities to make for a better story. There's just no way that an engrossing story can be made if one side can simply roll over the other one without any danger, whatsoever. Just look at Graham Kennedy's atrocious "Portal" for an example.

Portals is not even worthy to be called fiction. I have looked at it and only read the first 3 paragraphs and the writing style is awful. The dumbing down of Star Wars didnt impress me either.

There is, quite obviously, nothing to be impressed with in Portal. I'm sure that some Central-American-public-school-educated kindergartners who have never heard an English word in their lives and who are learning-disabled could do much better.

[Darth Servo]

OK, OK, OK we've talked enought about GK's worthless, sorry excuse for writing. Can we move on to something else?

[Isolder74]

OK, OK, OK we've talked enought about GK's worthless, sorry excuse for writing. Can we move on to something else?

Fine with me