But what if you are wrong?

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2002-11-09 03:11am

verilon wrote:Coyote: another question for you then. What about Purgatory? Where does that fit into this equation? How about Limbo?

Sorry Coyote, and Verilon, but I`ve just finished the coolest book, entitled "The Medevil Underground". In it the author states how when the first vernacular versions of the bible started circulating in the middle ages, people were outraged that purgatory wasn`t mentioned, purgatory being a major component of the Catholic church, I can see why.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-11-09 03:38am

Coyote wrote:Of the two, Judaism outdates Chritianity by anywhere from 2,000 to 3,000 years, and Christianity bases its validity on Hebrew prophesy that a Messiah would come and lead the nations to peace. Christians say "Jesus was that guy, th one we've been waiting for" while Jews say, "mmm, nope, not him, still waiting."

Both Jews and Christians are very good at waiting for Messiahs. 2000 years so far for the Christians, and 3000 years for the Jews. Minor nitpick: I believe Judaism dates back to around 1000 BC, not 2000-3000 BC.

For another interesting view of God and his nature, read Milton's "Paradise Lost". God sets up Adam and Eve to make the moral choice of defying him with the fruit of the tree. The reason? Because their devotion to him was like that of a robot; unthinking and not of conscious choice. He wanted them to be able to make the choice of not going to God and so pretty much set them up.

And of course, since he's a sadistic bastard, he punishes them for making the wrong choice and trying to grow up (seek knowledge) instead of mindlessly obeying his arbitrary rules.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-09 10:03am

Woe be it to Humanity when we are ruled by one such as you.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-11-09 10:07am

Darth Wong wrote:
SAMAS wrote:I will say nothing, and walk away.
TALK, fool!

Why should I dignify him with a response?

But seriously, I probably can't do the thing That's been crossing my mind since middle school.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-09 10:13am

Tron wrote:I have seen quite a few of you "open minded" scientific types proclaim that there is no God.

My question to all of you is this: "What if you are wrong? What will you say to Him on Judgement Day?"

Hello! Chances are if I'm seeing God one Judgement Day, he's not the mass murdering phsycotic God of the Bible. Because, if God is the Biblical God then I sure won't see heaven.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-09 10:16am

Stormbringer wrote:
Tron wrote:I have seen quite a few of you "open minded" scientific types proclaim that there is no God.

My question to all of you is this: "What if you are wrong? What will you say to Him on Judgement Day?"
Hello! Chances are if I'm seeing God one Judgement Day, he's not the mass murdering phsycotic God of the Bible. Because, if God is the Biblical God then I sure won't see heaven.

[insert] you sure AS HELL won't see heaven. lol not that was a bad attempt at a joke i'll go away now....-_-;;

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2002-11-09 10:38am

Tron wrote:I have seen quite a few of you "open minded" scientific types proclaim that there is no God.

My question to all of you is this: "What if you are wrong? What will you say to Him on Judgement Day?"

Just curious.

I personally am 100% sure that the Biblical God does not exist, in fact I think the Muslim Allah is more likely to exist (at least there are less contradictory nonsense in the Koran compared to the Bible). If there is a deity of some kind who would judge me when I die, then chances are that I will be judged on my actions and not on my faith. If so then I will have no fear.

If I AM judged on my faith as the fundies assert, then I will gladly go to hell, and I won't be able to stand going to heaven with Falwell and company there...at least Gandhi and the Buddha will be down there with me.

KG

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-09 10:50am

As Kheegan points out, if everything fundies have been asserting is true, we are going to hell in the company of some of the most intelligent people in history. To think that the credulous morons like Falwell and Pat Robertson are the standard we should aspire to just makes me laugh out loud.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-11-09 11:22am

I would love to make small talk with Gandhi and the Buddha. If I go to hell I can talk philosophy with both of them, while screaming in pain of course.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-09 11:23am

Alyrium Denryle wrote:I would love to make small talk with Gandhi and the Buddha. If I go to hell I can talk philosophy with both of them, while screaming in pain of course.

Of course, this DOES depend on what Hell really is....

Phil · Post by **Phil** » 2002-11-09 11:33am

I went to a talk by a born again that had had a near death experience.

He said that it was very dark, lonely and there were demons just out of view taunting him.

He didn't mention any gnashing of teeth or wailing though.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-09 11:36am

Phil wrote:I went to a talk by a born again that had had a near death experience.

He said that it was very dark, lonely and there were demons just out of view taunting him.

He didn't mention any gnashing of teeth or wailing though.

Hell COULD be different for everyone, you know...it COULD be...

salm · Post by **salm** » 2002-11-09 11:38am

if ther is a god, i think he´ll be a cool guy who doesnt kick my ass for not believing in him.
if he is the biblical god i´d be glad to rot in hell.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-11-09 11:40am

To the original poster...

Ask him why the hell if he's so damned perfect how did he fuck up so royally. I mean look at the supposedly perfect universe he's made let alone us...I mean he made us morons who followed a snake for cryin out loud.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-09 11:42am

Ghost Rider wrote:To the original poster...

Ask him why the hell if he's so damned perfect how did he fuck up so royally. I mean look at the supposedly perfect universe he's made let alone us...I mean he made us morons who followed a snake for cryin out loud.

I just thought of something: If God were omniscient, and he KNEW we would fuck up with the Tree of Knowledge, why, then, did he command Adam and Eve NOT to eat of the Tree? So he could banish them forever from the Garden of Eden? What a sadistic little bastard, if you ask me...

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-11-09 11:49am

Exactly verilon...

I mean if he is all knowing, he on purpose screwed with us...and let it happen and the PUNISHES us.

Sick little puppy indeed.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-09 11:52am

Ghost Rider wrote:Exactly verilon...

I mean if he is all knowing, he on purpose screwed with us...and let it happen and the PUNISHES us.

Sick little puppy indeed.

Of course, we can't say for SURE that he punishes us....I mean, I don't believe any of the prophets ever made a descent to Hell.....as far as I know Hercules and Persephone wer the only ones that ever did anyhting comparable, and that was in Greek Mythology!

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-11-09 11:55am

True...but he does things to make us come up with descions that if we do not worship and follow him like some blind puppy that obviously we are wrong.

In the end...all I know is I would going straight to hell for numerous infractions

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-09 11:56am

Ghost Rider wrote:True...but he does things to make us come up with descions that if we do not worship and follow him like some blind puppy that obviously we are wrong.

In the end...all I know is I would going straight to hell for numerous infractions

If there is a Hell......and ditto that if there is.....

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-11-09 11:58am

If there isn't ah well at least I lived my life the way I wanted too and not by someone else writing for a possible reward.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-09 11:58am

Ghost Rider wrote:If there isn't ah well at least I lived my life the way I wanted too and not by someone else writing for a possible reward.

Wait....what about the possibilities of reincarnation!?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-11-09 12:14pm

Well then I would still be happy with this one...and live that one to the satisfaction of that one

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-11-09 12:19pm

I would want to come back as a toad, an EVIL TOAD!

salm · Post by **salm** » 2002-11-09 12:39pm

verilon wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:If there isn't ah well at least I lived my life the way I wanted too and not by someone else writing for a possible reward.
Wait....what about the possibilities of reincarnation!?

since no one knows anything about his former life he´s lived in reincarnation is irrelevant.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-09 12:40pm

salm wrote:
verilon wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:If there isn't ah well at least I lived my life the way I wanted too and not by someone else writing for a possible reward.
Wait....what about the possibilities of reincarnation!?
since no one knows anything about his former life he´s lived in reincarnation is irrelevant.

We're talkig about *after* mortal life, remember? So its not irrelevant.

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