Yep, you caan find evidence to prove anything if you look hard enough.For a lot of people, the Bible and mathematics are dry subjects, but not for Edwin Sherman – he believes he's found how the two fit together.
Sherman, founder of the Isaac Newton Bible Code Research Society and a professional mathematician, is convinced that the Hebrew Bible contains coded messages that are evidence of God's authorship of the Bible. His book, "Bible Code Bombshell: Compelling Scientific Evidence that God Authored the Bible," describes numerous examples of encoded phrases and sentences that are both lengthy and relevant to the text where they were found.
In 1997, Michael Drosnin, a reporter, wrote "The Bible Codes" a book based on the work of Israeli mathematician Eli Rips that attained popularity, in part, from Drosnin's claim that future events, such as the Holocaust, Yitzak Rabin's assassination and the Gulf War were encoded in the Bible.
Such claims invited attacks from skeptics like mathematician and physicist Dave Thomas, who wrote in 1997, "Hidden messages can be found anywhere provided you're willing to invest time and effort to harvest the vast field of probability. He, Drosnin, underestimates the power of chance combined with the brute force of computers. He says these messages are beyond the power of chance, and I've proven they are not."
Another skeptic who was convinced he could prove Drosnin's messages to be fakes or statistical artifacts was Edwin Sherman.
Sherman says he found most of Drosnin's examples trivial. "They were the simple kinds of words and phrases you might find if you searched for encoded messages in the Jerusalem phone book," he tells the Southern Oregon News. But he was intrigued enough to develop his own software and begin analyzing the Masoretic text of the Old Testament. "I was very skeptical about the whole thing," he says. "I started a project to try and show the whole thing was bogus."
Instead, he says he found many examples of messages that went beyond simple words and phrases – and they often were contextually similar to the Biblical passage in which they were found.
"Finding dozens of lengthy encoded messages on the same topic in one short section of text is about as likely as winning a one-in-a-million jackpot ten times in a row," he says. "Basically, it cannot happen by chance."
The process of searching for encoded messages involves analysis of the Biblical Hebrew text in digital form. The Scriptures are encoded by removing all spaces between words and creating long strings of letters. According to Sherman, vowels are inserted in the strings of letters – the Hebrew alphabet lacks vowels – according to standard rules based on the sequence of consonants. Software then analyzes the strings in search of patterns based on equidistant letter sequences.
"The shorter an expression, the easier it is to find," Sherman notes, "but when we find longer statements that have a connection to the actual biblical passage, and we find those longer statements with frequency, it leads us to believe that those statements were purposely implanted in the Bible by God."
Some of the most compelling evidence of a mathematical pattern in the Hebrew text comes from the 53rd chapter of Isaiah, a passage most Bible scholars see as messianic and which Christians have traditionally seen as prophecy about Jesus.
Sherman developed a baseline using non-encoded Hebrew texts as his standard of comparison for determining whether the number of messages he found in a Biblical passage were statistically significant. Isaiah 53 proved to be a rich cluster of hidden messages, containing 42 encoded statements relating to Jesus' death, resurrection and ascension, far more than his baseline predicted.
As evidence, Sherman points to statements such as "Gushing from above, my mighty name arose upon Jesus, and the clouds rejoiced," "Dreadful day for Mary," "In his name as he commanded, Jesus is the way," "Resurrection of Jesus, he is risen indeed," and others that echo Isaiah's prophecy.
It is the coherence between the hidden messages and the Hebrew text from which they are drawn that excites Sherman, who has no interest in predicting the future or looking for new "truths." The messages plucked from the text are more like divine fingerprints.
"The Bible itself claims to be written by God, and when the subject of the encoded messages ties in so closely with the subject of the literal text, it has to make you take notice," says Sherman. "I just want ... to capture the curiosity of skeptics and cause them to consider the possibility that the Bible is not written by men, but by God, and should therefore be taken very seriously."
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Might be because they feel beset on all sides my immoral, unethical, infidels and nonbelievers. Hence they feel the need to prove that their "holy book" was actually written by God, by using something akin to science.DaveJB wrote:Why do they insist on doing this? If God did write the Bible, then it's cast iron proof that he's a schiziophrenic, sociopathic nutcase!
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"Evidence" is everywhere!!
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It's amazing that if it's written by divinity it's pretty poor writing. Contradictions abound.
I say they should have this because then it would show through their own words their divine being is one very screwed up and flawed being indeed.
I say they should have this because then it would show through their own words their divine being is one very screwed up and flawed being indeed.
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Three words: Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.
If these messages were "encoded" into the text, why was no decipher guide ever written for Mankind to use? What's the point of a prophecy if it can't be determined until after the fact?
If these messages were "encoded" into the text, why was no decipher guide ever written for Mankind to use? What's the point of a prophecy if it can't be determined until after the fact?
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That reminds me of how the Mormans came about. What with the stones that only one half-wit could read. And was unable to duplicate when he was asked too.Darth Wong wrote:Three words: Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.
If these messages were "encoded" into the text, why was no decipher guide ever written for Mankind to use? What's the point of a prophecy if it can't be determined until after the fact?
While the Christain masses will see this as justification for their faith, the rest of the world will see it as proof that they are fucked up beyond all measure.
I have recently started frequenting a fundie forum to get a glimpse into their mindset, and I am shocked. How anyone can believe the shit they spout is beyond me.
In case anyones interested in it the forum is here: ++http://fresh-hope.com/forums/index.php
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No, the rest of the world will not notice or will notice and not care and go on trying to figure out how to get their next meal. Proving the idiocy of certain beliefs really is not the primary importance to most people that I have met.
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Now, a mathematical formula could be worked out from that text that says "Google is God" or whatever you want, and of course, you can add vowels as and when you want, of course, see what sentences you couldn't make from those letters with a post hoc mathematical forumla for seeing what you wanted to see. Ohhh, I guess this post was written by God too, and even skeptics should consider this possibility, after all...[PASCAL'S WAGER]!
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Now, a mathematical formula could be worked out from that text that says "Google is God" or whatever you want, and of course, you can add vowels as and when you want, of course, see what sentences you couldn't make from those letters with a post hoc mathematical forumla for seeing what you wanted to see. Ohhh, I guess this post was written by God too, and even skeptics should consider this possibility, after all...[PASCAL'S WAGER]!
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If you think these people give a damn about a little thing called the "truth" prepareyourself for a shock.Durandal wrote:Are they using the original, untranslated text? Because if they're not, that kind of throws the whole thing into doubt.
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Who cares what form of the text they're using? They're generating "predictions" which aren't decipherable until AFTER the event in question already takes place, for fuck's sake!
Tell me, would people be all excited about a deciphering system where you need to know what the decrypted version is before you can decrypt it?
"Ladies and gentlemen, we have determined that if you assume the decrypted string is ALPHA, we can decode this encrypted string to ALPHA". Well no shit, Sherlock. Tell me something useful.
Tell me, would people be all excited about a deciphering system where you need to know what the decrypted version is before you can decrypt it?
"Ladies and gentlemen, we have determined that if you assume the decrypted string is ALPHA, we can decode this encrypted string to ALPHA". Well no shit, Sherlock. Tell me something useful.
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The guy who started out trying to prove it wrong and ended up converting (yeah right) seemed to be fond of the way that the coded messages related to the chapter that they came from. Yet when you consider that they lift whole words at a time from the source, of course the result is going to sound like the source chapter. The words came directly from the chapter!
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That's the problem with some of these authours. They get so big that nobody will assign an editor to touch their precious prose. It's the same thing with Stephen King.Ghost Rider wrote:It's amazing that if it's written by divinity it's pretty poor writing. Contradictions abound.
I say they should have this because then it would show through their own words their divine being is one very screwed up and flawed being indeed.
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