Gundam Wing vs. Evangelion vs. ST vs. SW

[neoolong]

I think a large phaser array would be able to penetrate an AT field.

But, failing that, a multi-gigaton (which is far above and beyond those 'positron rifles' gigawatt range) turbolaser will surely fix every other combatant.

Just wondering but what SW ground units have multi-gigaton turbolasers?

[Exonerate]

Hmm... Well, ST doesn't really stand a chance. I mean, all I've seen for ST ground forces are a bunch of people with phasers... Gundam is restricted to Gundam Wing here (In the later series, they become ridiculously powerful). The main limiting factor is the Eva's AT-field, because according to my sources, it's power is determined by the pilot (or angel's) state of mind. Also, the Imperial Army might be able to take down one Eva, but what if you throw in the MP models?

[data_link]

Hmm... Well, ST doesn't really stand a chance. I mean, all I've seen for ST ground forces are a bunch of people with phasers... Gundam is restricted to Gundam Wing here (In the later series, they become ridiculously powerful). The main limiting factor is the Eva's AT-field, because according to my sources, it's power is determined by the pilot (or angel's) state of mind. Also, the Imperial Army might be able to take down one Eva, but what if you throw in the MP models?

Two words: feeding frenzy.

[Mr Bean]

Just wondering but what SW ground units have multi-gigaton turbolasers?

Second Generation At-At's mounted Light Turbolasers instead of Heavy Blaster Cannons(TESB At-Ats where first generation)

[neoolong]

Just wondering but what SW ground units have multi-gigaton turbolasers?

Second Generation At-At's mounted Light Turbolasers instead of Heavy Blaster Cannons(TESB At-Ats where first generation)

Ah neato.

I think that unless that SW has a strong chance of winning and maybe Evangelion and Gundam. Evangelion though is extremely unpredictable given the nature of the units. And you could send in a decoy with an artificial s2 unit. Hehe, makes a warp core look stable.

[data_link]

I think that unless that SW has a strong chance of winning and maybe Evangelion and Gundam. Evangelion though is extremely unpredictable given the nature of the units. And you could send in a decoy with an artificial s2 unit. Hehe, makes a warp core look stable.

Actually, the S2 unit is an incredibly stable platform compared to warp cores - in the entire series, there was only one accidental detonation of an S2 organ, and that occured in the first human controlled S2 prototype, which was placed in unit 04. All other S2 detonations were on purpose. Although, if you're saying that the consequences of such an explosion would be disaterous, I happen to agreee with you.

Asuka: And we brought this ugly thing (unit 05) with us... why?
Rei: Because the commander is impatient.
Asuka: Who asked you, doll?
Rei: I am not a doll.
Asuka: You are a doll, you...(interrupted)
Zoids Judge: Battlefield set up. Ready... fight.
AT-ATs begin advancing on Eva's position. One of them accidentally steps on the ST Away Team.
Gundams begin running towards the AT-ATs.
Evas crouch. Their AT fields become visible.
Unit 05's S2 organ begins to glow.
Duo: Oh shit.
battlefield explodes in a 200 GT fireball
The dust clears - only the Evas remain
Asuka: Well that was quick.
Zoids judge:(silent. he too, has been vaporized)

[neoolong]

I think that unless that SW has a strong chance of winning and maybe Evangelion and Gundam. Evangelion though is extremely unpredictable given the nature of the units. And you could send in a decoy with an artificial s2 unit. Hehe, makes a warp core look stable.

Actually, the S2 unit is an incredibly stable platform compared to warp cores - in the entire series, there was only one accidental detonation of an S2 organ, and that occured in the first human controlled S2 prototype, which was placed in unit 04. All other S2 detonations were on purpose. Although, if you're saying that the consequences of such an explosion would be disaterous, I happen to agreee with you.

Asuka: And we brought this ugly thing (unit 05) with us... why?
Rei: Because the commander is impatient.
Asuka: Who asked you, doll?
Rei: I am not a doll.
Asuka: You are a doll, you...(interrupted)
Zoids Judge: Battlefield set up. Ready... fight.
AT-ATs begin advancing on Eva's position. One of them accidentally steps on the ST Away Team.
Gundams begin running towards the AT-ATs.
Evas crouch. Their AT fields become visible.
Unit 05's S2 organ begins to glow.
Duo: Oh shit.
battlefield explodes in a 200 GT fireball
The dust clears - only the Evas remain
Asuka: Well that was quick.
Zoids judge:(silent. he too, has been vaporized)

What I mean is that besides being incredibly explosive, the only human(artificial) controlled one ended in rather unpleasant failure. The humans haven't much practice with them so the effects of their efforts is incredibly unstable and with unpredictable results. I would rather just have the Evas eat their own instead of having people place one in.

[neoolong]

Oh and I was making a joke comparing it to the warp core.

[data_link]

Oh and I was making a joke comparing it to the warp core.

I know. But you are quite wrong about humans not being able to produce working S2 organs - the organs on units 5-13 worked perfectly. Or have you not seen End of Evangelion?

[Exonerate]

WARNING: SPOILERS AHEAD
I don't know how much you've watched, but have you seen the MP (Mass Production) Evas? They have S2 Engines/Organs, can fly, and have a replica of the Lance of Longinus. Plus, Evas aren't limited to hand-to-hand combat; they have conventional weapons, the positron rifle, and lots of N2 mines You could send one Eva with an N2-Mine forward, and explode it, and the Eva would still be intact.[/b]

[Kuja]

ST'll get wiped out within a couple seconds. AT-ATs and AT-STs are just too slow to react to the gundams' speed and manueverability. Then it comes down to a fight btween Gundam and Evengelion, and from what I've heard, the gundams might pull it off.

[Slartibartfast]

Star Wars wins over EVA, because EVA's only have one AT, and imperial walkers have two ATs.

[Kuja]

Star Wars wins over EVA, because EVA's only have one AT, and imperial walkers have two ATs.

[neoolong]

Oh and I was making a joke comparing it to the warp core.

I know. But you are quite wrong about humans not being able to produce working S2 organs - the organs on units 5-13 worked perfectly. Or have you not seen End of Evangelion?

Actually I haven't. You're probably right then since I haven't seen it yet. Is it considered canon to the series?

[data_link]

Actually I haven't. You're probably right then since I haven't seen it yet. Is it considered canon to the series?

The general consensus is that it overrides the original episodes 25 and 26 - i.e. it's more canon than the series. Let me explain:

The original episodes (and I'll try not to give too many spoilers) took place mostly inside the character's heads during third impact (a.k.a. the Human Instrumentality Project). Ep. 25 was basically a huge investigation into the psychology of the main characters, which is considered canon. Ep. 26 dealt with larger philisophical issues and took place entirely in Shinji's head and dealt mostly with larger philisophical issues of what defines a person. Of course, nowhere in either episode is the actual mechanism of third impact shown. This was one of the two main complaints of fans about the ending (i'll get to the other one in a minute).

In response to overwhelming pressure from fans Gainax studios (the producers of Evangelion, in case you didn't know) released two movies - Evangelion:Death and Rebirth, and End of Evangelion. Death and Rebirth consisted of two parts: Death, which was a 63 minute recap of the series up through ep. 24, and Rebirth, which was episode 25'. The prime indicates that itis the version of the episode seen in the movies, which is completely different from the corresponding episodes in the series. This episode covers the actual RW (as in, not in the character's minds) events leading up to third impact. There is nothing in this episode that contradicts things in any other episode.

The second movie, End of Evangelion, includes epidoses 25' and 26', which shows the conclusion of third impact. I should warn you before watching that episode 26' is very... disturbing. Even by Eva's standards. Anyway, this episode is fully consistent with the rest of the series also, except for one BIG difference:

At the end, Shinji does NOT accept human instrumentality, and returns to Earth.

This is completely the opposite of what happened at the conclusion of the series. However, the ending of the series was highly unrealistic in the eyes of most fans, and inappropriate to the theme of Evangelion, which was the second major complaint I told you about earlier. It was in response to this fan pressure that Gainax changed the ending for End of Evangelion.

Anyway, most fans accept both the episodes and the movies as canon, except on the sole point of contention: did Shinji accept the HCP? to which the answer is a resounding NO! Neither Gainax nor Anno Hideki has released any kind of official policy regarding Eva canon. So, in this case, I guess what is and isn't canon goes to opular opinion. It should be noted however, that while the final result of third impact is sometimes disputed, all other aspects of both the movies and series are unanimously accepted as canon, including the existence and capabilities of units 5-13, which were also referred to several times in the series.

[Mr Bean]

This is acutal in the wrong forum so I moved it to Other Sci-Fi(SW VS ST and plus anything else is other Sci-Fi)

However the TurboLaser armed At-At's have C weapons so they have a good chance of guning down the Eve OR The Gundums but not both

An thier in lines the problem

[Exonerate]

Hmm.... Well, AT-AT's don't exactly maneuver very well, do they? An Eva or Gundam could probably run circles around them...

[Darth_Shinji]

Mr Bean, what are C weapons?

[Mr Bean]

Mr Bean, what are C weapons?

Exuse me Weapons MOVING at C, Light Turbolasers are C Based weapons and designed to take out Star Wars Captial Ships IE Fucking Powerful

[Ghost Rider]

True...if able to move both at C and near ship class weaponry I would give it to the Empire...While Wing Gundam is the most obnoxious...things of that level of power would overwhelm the EVA's and perhaps some of the best contention against the Gundams as well.

Also like I said...material and time...The Empire is fielding what a Sector Division, a single battalion what...because that actually batter in terms of what they are fielding and how much of it.

[data_link]

This is of course assuming that their weapons could even hit an eva or gundam, and knowing the maneuverability of such units, I don't think that's likely. Gundams would be much worse off than Evas because even a hit from one of the lighter weapons would do some damage, while the empire would need its heaviest ground weapons to penetrate an AT field.

[Ghost Rider]

If you're doing C...manuverabilty does not matter unless you are of relative speed.

It's like saying you with a sub machine gun vs Bruce Lee at 100 meters...he's fast but the instant you have a bead...it's over.

And that's the problem...they are manuverable but rarely did I see them approaching that level of movement.

[Darth_Shinji]

Mr Bean, what are C weapons?

Exuse me Weapons MOVING at C, Light Turbolasers are C Based weapons and designed to take out Star Wars Captial Ships IE Fucking Powerful

Thanks. I though so, but wasn't sure.

Well, I know that their targeting system certaintly isn't near that fast. Moving at c doesn't help if your target is already moved out of were your guns are pointing. Much how I've always though Spiderman/Batman dodges a room full of lasers.

They are supior to these mechs, I'll adimt that but there aiming speed is slower and they only have two, placed in really easy places to avoid.

I'll go with the Evas.

[Ghost Rider]

But Spiderman dodges because of precog...and Batman through sheer BS(sorry a hail of bullets in any real life eqeal...and one dead fool)

So I still say the spe of the shot will overcome any momentary advantage of agility.

[Mr Bean]

AT-MTs would be more useful in this sitaution as thier multiple jointed Lasers let them attack in nearly any direction without moving anything but the turret guns(All eight of em) and they are relavtly strong as well, The Under-slung blaster cannons are supposdly the same as the AT-AT versions 1s but power is questionable however it appears great as the backwash is enough to kill Humans at thirty meters or so possible as much as fourty, And thats just the reflected power not the acutal charge itself