Kwanzaa - Another example of racial seperation?

[Elfdart]

The "events" celebrated on Christmas and Easter have about as much basis in reality as Jar Jar Binks. Even the dates are bogus, being cribbed (along with the trappings) from the pagans. Christmas is a Greek version of a Persian mystery cult of the sun, Jewish messiah lore, Germanic imagery and various Celtic and Roman decorations thrown in for good measure. Easter is also a hodge-podge. And people get uptight about Kwanzaa?

You know, I started writting a post to dissagree with you, but the further I got into my post to more BS it seemed to be. The origins are crap and as long as everyone gets to party hardy in the general time frame then fuck it. Good for em.

That said, and on the other side of the coin, any minority or even majority that wants the time period to be devoted entirely to themselves are assholes.

Especially all those goddamned Irish O'Wannabes who drink green Budweiser every March. Separatist cocksuckers. *

This goes for the 'black' holiday and the moronic 'reason for the season' numbnuts.

Drink or don't drink. Party or sit in a church and learn dumb shit. Do what you will with a holiday and enjoy.

Give Knife a cigar! This whole "Oh no! Anything but Kwanzaa! " horseshit reminds me of the people who go apeshit over Scientology. You know it's bullshit. I know it's bullshit. But does this brand of bullshit smell any worse than the other kinds? I think not.

When everybody does a bad Maureen O'Hara impression, drinks beer or whisky and pretends to enjoy the sound of bagpipes on St. Patrick's Day, when Italians got Congress to give government employees a paid day off every October in honor of one of history's great mass murderers, when Mexican-Americans make a bigger deal about Cinco de Mayo than Mexicans do, who cares if a minority of blacks celebrates Kwanzaa? Why does Kwanzaa get singled out for being bogus? That was a rhetorical question, by the way.

If those blacks who celebrate Kwanzaa didn't want to assimilate, they wouldn't schedule it to happen during the Christmas/ New Year's holidays, would they? They'd put it in June or something and demand the day off from work.

[Joe]

So? Does the fact that Kwanzaa is singled out amongst BS holidays for criticism make it any less of a BS holiday?

[Elfdart]

I think so, since very few people take it seriously unless to disparage it. Notice the not-so-subtle Jew-baiters bitching about putting the "Christ back in Christmas"? Happy Holidays? You can tell what they're really upset about: Those Christ-killers have the gall to go shopping withing thirty days of Jesus' birthday! Who do these hellbound infidels think they are? We God-fearing Christians are buying presents at the mall -just as Jesus would- and if these stores open up to Jews and other non-believers, we won't shop there.

[Joe]

No, it's pretty clear that they are angry about the perceived corruption of what they consider a uniquely Christian holiday by commercialization and secularization. So why invent loony, baseless theories about not wanting to shop with Jews when the real reason for this behavior is quite obvious?

Of course I don't endorse the notion that the Christmas season should be just for Christians, I'm just stating that that is what they think.

[Howedar]

I haven't the foggiest idea where Elfdart gets this idea that the intention of a more religious Christmas season has anything to do with shopping with Jews.

[Spyder]

Are white people allowed to celebrate Kwanzaa? i.e. celebrate the fact that some other people are black?

[DPDarkPrimus]

Are white people allowed to celebrate Kwanzaa? i.e. celebrate the fact that some other people are black?

Afrikaan-Americans, maybe?

[Superman]

Are white people allowed to celebrate Kwanzaa? i.e. celebrate the fact that some other people are black?

Only wiggers.

[Marksist]

Same for a lot of bullshit Hallmark Holidays.

Surely you jest! I'm guessing you haven't heard of the fun to be had on Secretary's Day.

I haven't the foggiest idea where Elfdart gets this idea that the intention of a more religious Christmas season has anything to do with shopping with Jews.

Maybe it was a joke, but, probably not since there was no "humor" disclaimer.

drinks beer or whisky and pretends to enjoy the sound of bagpipes on St. Patrick's Day

Hey, I like the sound of bagpipes, even when I'm sober.

[Chardok]

Hearing about Kwanzaa makes me want to create an all-white holiday to celebrate my european heritage. HEY! I'm not racist! I'm just proud to be white!

That is what I get from kwanzaa. I get the same feeling as when I see a Miss black america pagent, and hear about a job lost to affirmative action. It's sugar-coated racism at it's finest. a slap in the face to everyone who doesn't celebrate it. Makes no sense.

Oh, and my holiday will be called Leashtolaka. (Leesh-toe-LAH-ka) Doesn't mean anything, i just pulled it outta my arse. it's for all caucasians to celebrate their european heritage, and reassert their individuality, and celebrate white contributions to the community and the world. It is a celebration of peace and harmony, now bring on the ceremonia leashtolaka Pizza. we will light 7 candles of peace; the candles will be made from hershey's white chocolate, symbolizing the gluttony of society at large being burned away and liberating our whiteness from the confines of social molds. the official Leashtolaka song will be Mandy by Barry Manilow, and we will all wear berets as the symbolic headwear. Crumpets will be the traditional breakfast food, and tacos the symbolic lunch. we will all consume german beers, and drive the traditional Fiat of peace around in circles over and over and over again, representing the plight of our white brothers and sisters who, in film after film were forced to walk in circles to power the machines which made ancient europe go. (Like the trolls opening the black gate in Mordor)

See how racist all that sounded? That's Kwanzaa in reverse.

[Coyote]

The "celebration" of Hanukkah was-- I was told, anyway, I dunno if there's any "sociological research" to back it up-- mostly blown out of proportion by non-Jews in America. Kinda like, "Oh, we mustn't forget the poor Jews, they have a holiday too."

But the Jews didn't feel "poor" or "left out", but it seemed to assuage a lot of walking-on-eggshells types so it became more accepted as a gift giving holiday of minor proportion.

In Israel, though, it is kept appropriately minor-- picture a string of "Labor Days" strung together. It comes after a whole slew of actually important holidays (Rosh haShana, Yom Kippur, Simcha Torah, etc...) and really by the time Hanukkah comes around we're prtty much "holiday'd out".

As for Kwanzaa... sure it's silly, but like Elfdart says, it's another reason to hoist a pint that is as valid as any other, so kick back and enjoy.

If we want to get into the issue of "Black self-segregation" then we need to ask a lot more pressing questions, like why many young Blacks presure their peers not to work too hard at school so as to avoid seeming "too white" (if that controversy is still going on)... there are more serious angles on it than simply "Kwanzaa".

I wonder why any social group that wants to be "Accepted" Then turns around and insists on their own, seperate, holidays, schools, social functions, etc. I ranted this once on Gays-- they want to be "accepted" And I Say, "fine, I accept you" but then they want their own St. Patricks Day parade or their own this or that... I'm left wondering, "do you want to be a part of the society... or apart of it?"

[Pcm979]

It's simple; They want to have all the advantages of being accepted and none of the disadvantages.

Frankly, I think that if these stupid equal rights activist PC bastards cause more troubles than they fix.

[Pcm979]

Edit: The main problem as I see it with the PC rights activist bastards™ is that they are partially responsible for drilling it into minorities' heads that they are different.

[His Divine Shadow]

Well, what do you think about Kwanzaa?

Personally, I think taking an identity as nebulous as "African American" - tying it a particular racial background across the board and attempting to identify all blacks in America with this is destructive. Its another example of misguided black nationalism in a way, in my opinion. The best that blacks could do is integrate, yet this is incomprehensible to most black "leaders." (As it would destroy their power base.)

As a holiday its rather contrived and ridiculous, in my opinion.

WTF is kwanzaa?

[His Divine Shadow]

Well, what do you think about Kwanzaa?

Personally, I think taking an identity as nebulous as "African American" - tying it a particular racial background across the board and attempting to identify all blacks in America with this is destructive. Its another example of misguided black nationalism in a way, in my opinion. The best that blacks could do is integrate, yet this is incomprehensible to most black "leaders." (As it would destroy their power base.)

As a holiday its rather contrived and ridiculous, in my opinion.

WTF is kwanzaa?

Godamn fucking no edit bullshit.

EDIT: I mean I understand it's a holiday, but any more info on it?

[Col. Crackpot]

Chardok, that has got to be the funniest rant i've geard in a long time! Happy Leashtolaka! is going in my sig!

[Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba]

Happy Leashtolaka!

[Falkenhayn]

For the sake of my cluttered New Year's schedule, can we fold Leashtolaka into St. Patrick's Day?

And what do we call the Leashtolaka symbolicaly bollucks candle holder?

[Chardok]

For the sake of my cluttered New Year's schedule, can we fold Leashtolaka into St. Patrick's Day?

And what do we call the Leashtolaka symbolicaly bollucks candle holder?

It is called a Gwindlehopper.

and as far as the date, it is december 29th in celebration of the whitest white guy on the planet, Ted Danson (It is his birthday.) Ironic that he married a woman who celebrates Kwanzaa, isn't it?

[Elfdart]

I haven't the foggiest idea where Elfdart gets this idea that the intention of a more religious Christmas season has anything to do with shopping with Jews.

I'm referring to the just-below-the-surface Jew-baiting of those who ramble on about "putting the Christ in Christmas". We had Freepers, right-wing radio and other mouth-breathers threatening boycotts of stores with generic "Happy Holidays" signs instead of Christmas ones. Here's a quote Kos found:

And it has become pretty general. Last Christmas most people had a hard time finding Christmas cards that indicated in any way that Christmas commemorated Someone's Birth. Easter they will have the same difficulty in finding Easter cards that contain any suggestion that Easter commemorates a certain event. There will be rabbits and eggs and spring flowers, but a hint of the Resurrection will be hard to find. Now, all this begins with the designers of the cards.

The source? Was it Bill "Jews who don't like Christmas should go to Israel" O'LIE-ly? Pat Robertson? Rush Lardass? No, it's from Henry Ford's lovely little book The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem published in 1921.
1921

Follow this link to more prominent Jew-hating Americans talking this kind of smack.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/24/18317/056

[His Divine Shadow]

Sorry, I was reminded of a recent episode of Southpark.

Cartman: "Es ist die Zeit fuer Reich!"
Crowd: "Wir muessen die Juden ausrotten!"

Oh that Cartman

[Elfdart]

If we want to get into the issue of "Black self-segregation" then we need to ask a lot more pressing questions, like why many young Blacks presure their peers not to work too hard at school so as to avoid seeming "too white" (if that controversy is still going on)... there are more serious angles on it than simply "Kwanzaa".

Every group picks on those they consider social climbers and/ or geeks. I went to an almost exclusively white high school. Bookworms didn't fare much better there and only by pulling double duty as a jock did I escape being tormented. Being called a "geek", "nerd" or "brain", while not as nasty as the racial jibes, was still pretty mean. The latter was often used by the really hot chicks to describe those poor souls who were enticed to do the girls' homework for them and let them copy off their tests and in return, only got Second Base at most... Or so a friend of mine told me! As with Kwanzaa, why single out blacks for this kind of bullshit?

I wonder why any social group that wants to be "Accepted" Then turns around and insists on their own, seperate, holidays, schools, social functions, etc. I ranted this once on Gays-- they want to be "accepted" And I Say, "fine, I accept you" but then they want their own St. Patricks Day parade or their own this or that... I'm left wondering, "do you want to be a part of the society... or apart of it?"

Probably because in spite of their efforts to be accepted, they often are not accepted. How many times should someone get the door slammed in his or her face before they decide to try elsewhere? Gay Irish people (or wannbes like so many on St. Patrick's Day) wanted to take part in the traditional parade. They were told only closeted paddy fags need apply, so... they're going to have their own parade. If a parade is that important to you, knock yourself out.

[Joe]

The source? Was it Bill "Jews who don't like Christmas should go to Israel" O'LIE-ly? Pat Robertson? Rush Lardass? No, it's from Henry Ford's lovely little book The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem published in 1921.
1921

Follow this link to more prominent Jew-hating Americans talking this kind of smack.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/24/18317/056

So? What you've produced here is an arbitrary, biased sample and by implication generalized from it; that does not justify opting for your bullshit theory in light of the more logical one.

[Frank Hipper]

Taking a saying like "Let's put Christ back in Christmas" and forcing it to fit an anti-semitic conspiracy not only has little to do with reality, but requires the up-to-the-minute contemporary words of Henry Ford for backup?

[His Divine Shadow]

Replace "christmas" with "yule"