Gundam Wing vs. Evangelion vs. ST vs. SW

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Who would win?

Gundams
3
14%
Evas
4
19%
Star Wars
14
67%
Star Trek
0
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data_link wrote:
neoolong wrote:Actually I haven't. You're probably right then since I haven't seen it yet. Is it considered canon to the series?
The general consensus is that it overrides the original episodes 25 and 26 - i.e. it's more canon than the series. Let me explain:

The original episodes (and I'll try not to give too many spoilers) took place mostly inside the character's heads during third impact (a.k.a. the Human Instrumentality Project). Ep. 25 was basically a huge investigation into the psychology of the main characters, which is considered canon. Ep. 26 dealt with larger philisophical issues and took place entirely in Shinji's head and dealt mostly with larger philisophical issues of what defines a person. Of course, nowhere in either episode is the actual mechanism of third impact shown. This was one of the two main complaints of fans about the ending (i'll get to the other one in a minute).

In response to overwhelming pressure from fans Gainax studios (the producers of Evangelion, in case you didn't know) released two movies - Evangelion:Death and Rebirth, and End of Evangelion. Death and Rebirth consisted of two parts: Death, which was a 63 minute recap of the series up through ep. 24, and Rebirth, which was episode 25'. The prime indicates that itis the version of the episode seen in the movies, which is completely different from the corresponding episodes in the series. This episode covers the actual RW (as in, not in the character's minds) events leading up to third impact. There is nothing in this episode that contradicts things in any other episode.

The second movie, End of Evangelion, includes epidoses 25' and 26', which shows the conclusion of third impact. I should warn you before watching that episode 26' is very... disturbing. Even by Eva's standards. Anyway, this episode is fully consistent with the rest of the series also, except for one BIG difference:

At the end, Shinji does NOT accept human instrumentality, and returns to Earth.

This is completely the opposite of what happened at the conclusion of the series. However, the ending of the series was highly unrealistic in the eyes of most fans, and inappropriate to the theme of Evangelion, which was the second major complaint I told you about earlier. It was in response to this fan pressure that Gainax changed the ending for End of Evangelion.

Anyway, most fans accept both the episodes and the movies as canon, except on the sole point of contention: did Shinji accept the HCP? to which the answer is a resounding NO! Neither Gainax nor Anno Hideki has released any kind of official policy regarding Eva canon. So, in this case, I guess what is and isn't canon goes to opular opinion. It should be noted however, that while the final result of third impact is sometimes disputed, all other aspects of both the movies and series are unanimously accepted as canon, including the existence and capabilities of units 5-13, which were also referred to several times in the series.
Ah. Well I'll take your word for it. I wasn't too sure about units 5-13. I don't remember seeing them in the series. Though now that you mention it I remember that the model didn't have the power cable thing that the others do. I guess it would be because of the s2 unit.

Suffice it to say that at the most potentially lethal and dangerous, Evangelion is probably one of the two strongest, with the other being SW.
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Gah! Data_link! I almost read that! You fool! YOU FOOL!


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Mr Bean wrote:
Just wondering but what SW ground units have multi-gigaton turbolasers?
Second Generation At-At's mounted Light Turbolasers instead of Heavy Blaster Cannons(TESB At-Ats where first generation)
In that case, everybody but the Empire is massively fucked. For the Evas, it would merely be a hot sweaty session of buttsex. For Gundam, it would be anal loving from some guy named Bubba. For Star Trek . . . it would be an all-night orgy of assraping from some huge black guy with a nickname like "The Wild Stallion."
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data_link wrote:This is of course assuming that their weapons could even hit an eva or gundam, and knowing the maneuverability of such units, I don't think that's likely. Gundams would be much worse off than Evas because even a hit from one of the lighter weapons would do some damage, while the empire would need its heaviest ground weapons to penetrate an AT field.
Actually, if an AT field was penetrated by a 180 GW particle beam imparting, at best 200 GJ of energy on the field, then the blasters mounted on TIE fighters, which could impart up to 84 TJ of energy on an Eva, would put them in a world of hurt.
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Limited to ground units. Besides, the AT-Field power calcs are taken from the pyramid-like angel (sorry, forgot #). Later in the series, the angels get stronger and stronger. Arael is hit by the positron cannon, but survives. It's also stated Tabris (Or Kaworu) had the strongest AT-Field for the angels, and that Rei had one stronger than his.

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Ghost Rider wrote:But Spiderman dodges because of precog...and Batman through sheer BS(sorry a hail of bullets in any real life eqeal...and one dead fool)

So I still say the spe of the shot will overcome any momentary advantage of agility.
Spiderman has precog that lets him manuveur out of the way of a laser before it fires... Same thing as I've said. AN At-At hace only a very limited veiw of firing, and when you get to it its a matter of At-At neck speed, not gun speed. If the guns can't draw a bead on these targets before they are past thier field of fire they are screwed.
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If Team EVA has either
1) Rei, Lilith, and Adam
2) The Lance of Longinitus, Eva-01, and 9 MP Units
then they win automatically. Nothing can beat instrumtality.

If not, then it remains a tough call. The Angel that was taken out with a giga-watt beam was one of the weaker Angels (it is implied in Ep. 3 and 24 that AT fields vary in strength). Towards the end, Rei can pull up a Tabris-class AT field without her Eva, Shinji is capable of getting REALLY pissed and going ballistic against the enemy, and Asuka actually gets her tree-trunk pulled out of her ass. They are also very fast, as in "cannot be seen by the Human Eye" fast. While SW forces have powerful weapons, they are limited by the human reaction rate.

If nothing else, Shinji and Asuka go beserk (in End of Evangelion, Unit 02 was moving breifly without power, but it couldn't do much for reasons that are obvous to the viewer) and start tearing holes in Space-Time and tossing the other teams through.
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GODDAMN IT YOGI! I JUST BARELY AVOIDED READING THAT! MARK THE GODDAMN SPOILERS, YOU SICK TWISTED MYSTERY-RUINING FREAK![/size]
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GODDAMN IT YOGI! I JUST BARELY AVOIDED READING THAT! MARK THE GODDAMN SPOILERS, YOU SICK TWISTED MYSTERY-RUINING FREAK!
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GODDAMN IT CYRIL!!! KEEP YOUR FUCKING VOICE DOWN!! DO YOU WANT TO GIVE EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD A FUCKING MIGRANE?
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IF THEY DON'T MARK SPOILERS, FUCK YEAH!
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Cyril wrote:GODDAMN IT YOGI! I JUST BARELY AVOIDED READING THAT! MARK THE GODDAMN SPOILERS, YOU SICK TWISTED MYSTERY-RUINING FREAK!
What exactly did I spoil again? No really important plot points such as who Tabris actually is (note, I intentionally used Tabris instead of the name he usually goes by on the show). I only state what they are capable of doing. Besides, if I did ruin anything, it was from End of Evanlgeion, so it's not a huge loss.
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You didn't ruin anything, since I caught the word 'End of Evangelion' and dove out of the way.

No spoilers. At all. MARK THEM!
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Cyril wrote:You didn't ruin anything, since I caught the word 'End of Evangelion' and dove out of the way.

No spoilers. At all. MARK THEM!
I stated what they were capable of doing by End of Evangelion. It is rather in bad form of saying that I posted spoilers without actually seeing if there ARE any spoilers, and in such a loud voice too.
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LCL :D

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