Pictorial review of the Holiday Special

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2005-01-01 06:54pm

Freeman's Trigger-Finger wrote:
Trekkies love the Christmas Special though, they can bring it up as a last resort and piss all over us with it.

And with that, they have every right to and we should hang our head in shame and beg forgiveness from the world.

Executor32 · Post by **Executor32** » 2005-01-01 07:32pm

Freeman's Trigger-Finger wrote:
Gustav32Vasa wrote:Is it Canon
Fuck no! Lucasfilm decide's what is and what isn't, and Lucas is embarrased beyond words at the heaping pile of crap that is the Holiday Special.

In fact, during an Australian convetion, he remarked, "If I had the time and a sledgehammer, I would track down every bootlegged copy of that program and smash it."
Trekkies love the Christmas Special though, they can bring it up as a last resort and piss all over us with it.

We may have this atrocity, but remember that they have seven seasons of Voyager to atone for.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-01-01 07:54pm

All I can say about the Trekkie issue is this:

"Hey, isn't that widescreen version of Nemesis in the discount tray over yonder?"

Lucasfilms at least had the decency to bury one of its worst atrocities as best it could.

Panzer Grenadier · Post by **Panzer Grenadier** » 2005-01-01 07:57pm

Didn't Chewbacca's wife show up at his funeral at some point during the NJO?

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2005-01-01 08:00pm

Panzer Grenadier wrote:Didn't Chewbacca's wife show up at his funeral at some point during the NJO?

Yes. In fact she also appeared in the Black Fleet Crisis, Dark Horse Comics' "Chewbacca" requiem / mini-series, some Marvel Comics issues, and IIRC a Russ Manning SW Sunday strip.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-01-01 08:18pm

Panzer Grenadier wrote:Didn't Chewbacca's wife show up at his funeral at some point during the NJO?

Yes, and in the worst Star Wars novels ever, the Black Fleet Crisis, Chewie and his entire family board a Super Star Destroyer and wipe out half the crew to save Han.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-01-01 08:39pm

Praxis wrote:Yes, and in the worst Star Wars novels ever, the Black Fleet Crisis, Chewie and his entire family board a Super Star Destroyer and wipe out half the crew to save Han.

BFC was truly putrid, but my vote for worst ever goes to the Boba Fett trilogy.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2005-01-01 08:50pm

Petrosjko wrote:
Praxis wrote:Yes, and in the worst Star Wars novels ever, the Black Fleet Crisis, Chewie and his entire family board a Super Star Destroyer and wipe out half the crew to save Han.
BFC was truly putrid, but my vote for worst ever goes to the Boba Fett trilogy.

Then you haven't read The Crystal Star. Or Children of the Jedi.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-01-01 08:59pm

I have read Crystal Star, but not Children of the Jedi.

(And to think, I once lamented the fact that it was about the only missing novel in my collection.)

But the Fett trilogy took an already overwanked character and turned him into... oh shit, it's just horrid.

And the editing was horrid. I'm not an overly critical reader, so if the editing stands out to me, in terms of continuity errors and so on, it's got to be bad.

Fucking barves. BARVES. I got so sick of 'You're my kind of barve!" "He's a tricky barve!"

I was explaining to a friend of mine that barves were presented originally as something like cattle, and we ended up doing this back and forth for half an hour. "You're my kind of cow." "You're the deadliest cow known to man."

And so on. Bah. Some people should be restricted from the possession of deadly instruments like keyboards.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-01-01 09:57pm

YT300000 wrote:
Petrosjko wrote:
Praxis wrote:Yes, and in the worst Star Wars novels ever, the Black Fleet Crisis, Chewie and his entire family board a Super Star Destroyer and wipe out half the crew to save Han.
BFC was truly putrid, but my vote for worst ever goes to the Boba Fett trilogy.
Then you haven't read The Crystal Star. Or Children of the Jedi.

Crystal Star is second worst in my book. BFC is terrible. They imply SSD's use nuclear fusion, are unbelievably minimalist (a fleet of 200 ships, mostly corvette class, can threaten the entire galaxy and Han Solo believes its enough to conquer and destroy Coruscant,) an army of wookiees boards an SSD and win, it's incredibly boring, and the villans were incredibly corny.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2005-01-01 10:44pm

Tribun wrote:The Holiday Special is the worst ever done in the name of Star Wars.

The show also seemed to be made on short notice. Obviously Mark Hamill thought he wouldn't appear in the role of Luke until the start of shooting for TESB, therefore his haircut looks horrible (Thank God they fixed it for TESB). Btw, was that show short shortly before the motorcycle accident that smashed his face?
Carrie Fisher had drug problems at that time (but was clean when shooting of TESB started), and always seems to have distant look as if always a bit high.

Hamill's car wreck happened after they finished shooting ANH in London. He came back for "pick-ups" (the studio coughed up the million bucks to finish the movie), but these are long distance shots in Death Valley. There's an issue of Interview with Hamill, Ford and Fisher that doesn't show his face. This led people to believe Mark Hamill's face was completely fucked up like Montgomery Clift's was after his car crash. Hamill insists that all he got from the crash was a broken nose and a few scratches. It's obvious the bridge of his nose was broken, but either the rest of his face wasn't injured too badly or it was covered with makeup.

Post by **Kuja** » 2005-01-01 11:50pm

Freeman's Trigger-Finger wrote:Trekkies love the Christmas Special though, they can bring it up as a last resort and piss all over us with it.

But we have Nemesis now.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-01-02 12:42am

Children of the Jedi is part of the Boba Fett trilogy? wtf?!? it barely has anything about Boba in it.

maybe i'm thinking of something else, but didn't it have to do with some student at Luke's academy being all snotty and rich, and his old man gets captured, and they find a piece of Alderaan's core to give to mom for her birthday?

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-01-02 12:48am

unbeataBULL wrote:Children of the Jedi is part of the Boba Fett trilogy? wtf?!? it barely has anything about Boba in it.

maybe i'm thinking of something else, but didn't it have to do with some student at Luke's academy being all snotty and rich, and his old man gets captured, and they find a piece of Alderaan's core to give to mom for her birthday?

I never said Children of the Jedi was part of the Boba Fett trilogy. We were just discussing the worst novels produced in the EU, and IMO the Fett trilogy as a whole should have been returned to the writer with a note saying "Thank you for the kind donation of the paper, but unfortunately some dolt typed all over it."

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-01-02 12:59am

well, i think at least the Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy was good. i still haven't read the 3rd book though. "The Mandalorian Armor".

tales of the bounty hunters was cool as well, especially the end, with boba's story.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-01-02 01:44am

Tales of the Bounty Hunters was passably decent and intriguing in places.

My opinion on the Fett trilogy is well documented, on the other hand...

Post by **RogueIce** » 2005-01-02 04:52am

unbeataBULL wrote:well, i think at least the Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy was good. i still haven't read the 3rd book though. "The Mandalorian Armor".

That was the first book.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2005-01-02 05:07am

I have the Holiday Special on my hard drive. I cannot get past the first scene. *Shudder*

Post by **RogueIce** » 2005-01-02 05:08am

Rogue 9 wrote:I have the Holiday Special on my hard drive. I cannot get past the first scene. *Shudder*

Can you send it to me? I'm so very, very curious.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2005-01-02 05:10am

The hard drive in question is at school. It'll have to wait a couple weeks.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2005-01-02 05:15am

Rogue 9 wrote:The hard drive in question is at school. It'll have to wait a couple weeks.

Alright. I'll wait.

I'll use the time to prepare myself. Or something.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-01-02 05:53am

RogueIce wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:The hard drive in question is at school. It'll have to wait a couple weeks.
Alright. I'll wait.

I'll use the time to prepare myself. Or something.

Use this time to watch Porno.

All in all honestly ...yes, it's offical material regardless of Lucas wanting to burn every copy.

As to it, I have to admit...it's not just crack that Lucas was on when making this, but obviously LSD when he implemented singing.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-01-02 01:40pm

RogueIce wrote:
unbeataBULL wrote:well, i think at least the Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy was good. i still haven't read the 3rd book though. "The Mandalorian Armor".
That was the first book.

was it?

okay, slave ship is one i've read. that's the second book. and i've read one other. the 1st book.

ah whatever.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-01-02 01:43pm

Rogue 9 wrote:The hard drive in question is at school. It'll have to wait a couple weeks.

What's the file size? I might take a crack at throwing my dialup at it some night after I go to bed.

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2005-01-02 08:34pm

Rogue 9, if possible, could you send a copy my way. I too am willing to subject myself to this.

I think it will be like watching a carwreck, you can't stop looking.