So, what's the point? Is this going to be a platform to sell the freeper kookery about rapes and cattle futures? Maybe more mundane stuff like "el oh el klintoon hate military huuuurrrrr"Detractors gear up to build Counter Clinton Library
BY ANDREW DEMILLO
Posted on Saturday, January 1, 2005
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The Clinton Presidential Center’s time to shine was in 2004.
Now, the former president’s detractors say, it’s the Counter Clinton Library’s turn to cast a shadow.
A group pledging to build the Counter Clinton Library in Little Rock is moving forward with its plans this year for a rebuttal to the Clinton Presidential Center despite fund-raising delays.
More than 40,000 letters will be sent out this month soliciting donations for a private museum criticizing Bill Clinton and his time in office.
Last year the organization behind the Counter Clinton Library, Counterlibe Corp. of Washington D. C., was granted status as a tax-exempt nonprofit organization, but the group didn’t build its museum in time for the Nov. 18 dedication of the $165 million presidential center in Little Rock. "I think we jumped the gun," Richard Erickson, a Houston businessman and the founder of the group trying to build the Counter Clinton Library. "We haven’t really been doing any fund-raising work yet."
The group decided to delay major fund raising until after the 2004 presidential election, Erickson said. It now hopes to build a $2 million museum by the end of this year. "We thought it would be best for us to sit on the sidelines," Erickson said. "We kind of figured our message wouldn’t be heard with the election going on."
Plans for the anti-Clinton museum were first announced in 2002, and word spread quickly among conservative Web sites and talk radio.
In April, the group received word that the IRS had granted it tax-exempt status. To keep the exemption, the library must fulfill its plans of building museums about the Clinton presidency in Little Rock and Washington, D. C.
The group will also have to make its tax forms public starting this year.
Even without a museum, the anti-Clinton museum group tried to grab some of the presidential library’s spotlight during the dedication week in November.
A day after the center’s dedication, Erickson sent out a mass e-mail pledging his museum "will be a permanent thorn in the side of the Clintons as they try to hide and distort their anti-American, anti-family, anti-military legacy."
The anti-Clinton museum also was featured on cable station Comedy Central’s The Daily Show, which satirized the exhibits on the museum’s Web site, www.counterclintonlibrary.com. Some of the exhibits are labeled "Deaths" and "Travel Gate Scandal."
Skip Rutherford, head of the William J. Clinton Presidential Foundation, said he didn’t have any comment about plans by Clinton’s critics. In past interviews, Rutherford has pointed to what he calls the bipartisan nature of presidential libraries. "Clinton haters, they will do almost anything," Rutherford told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette in 2002. "The truthful representation of history is the fact that the 80 million-plus documents of the Clinton years are there. The truthfulness of history is the openness of the documents."
John LeBoutillier, a former New York congressman and a cofounder of group pushing for the Counter Clinton Library, said it was difficult before the library’s opening to compete for donors during the election season.
LeBoutillier said he thinks they will be able to more easily raise support from conservatives who disagree with the library’s portrayal of Clinton’s eight years in office.
On Thursday, former U.S. Rep. Bob Barr, a Georgia Republican, said the Clinton library doesn’t provide an objective account of the impeachment and trial of the former president. An alcove labeled "The Fight for Power" describes Clinton’s impeachment as a partisan attack waged by Republicans. "Hopefully, it [the Counter Clinton Library] can provide that counter perspective to balance things out," said Barr, who served as one of the impeachment managers during Clinton’s trial in the Senate. He has promised to donate some of his impeachment papers to the Counter Clinton Library.
Barr acknowledged that the group’s plans for a counter museum won’t be an objective, unbiased portrait of the 42 nd president. "Good Lord, no. Neither of them are," Barr said. "That’s why I think you need both of them out there."
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You would think that having a Republican president, a majority of Republicans in the House and Senate, and a majority of Republican appointees on the Supreme Court would be enough, but no, they just can't let Clinton go. He's like that one Democrat that just can't be beaten.
I predict massive circle jerking, misappropriated funds, tax fraud, and an indictment will come out of this before a bricks and mortar library does.
I predict massive circle jerking, misappropriated funds, tax fraud, and an indictment will come out of this before a bricks and mortar library does.
The most basic assumption about the world is that it does not contradict itself.
It's Slick Willy. Haven't you seen Saturday Night Live? He's bulletproof.Wicked Pilot wrote:You would think that having a Republican president, a majority of Republicans in the House and Senate, and a majority of Republican appointees on the Supreme Court would be enough, but no, they just can't let Clinton go. He's like that one Democrat that just can't be beaten.
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lol, tell me that's from The Onion .... there couldn't really be living people who are that stupid, could there?
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Mrs. Spade didn't raise any children dippy enough to
make guesses in front of a district attorney,
an assistant district attorney, and a stenographer.
Sam Spade, "The Maltese Falcon"
Operation Freedom Fry
Meh, does any one of worth really care?Wicked Pilot wrote:You would think that having a Republican president, a majority of Republicans in the House and Senate, and a majority of Republican appointees on the Supreme Court would be enough, but no, they just can't let Clinton go. He's like that one Democrat that just can't be beaten.
I predict massive circle jerking, misappropriated funds, tax fraud, and an indictment will come out of this before a bricks and mortar library does.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
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Several:Montcalm wrote:That makes me think,How many Democrat Presidents got 2 terms in office?
Jefferson
Madison
Monroe
Jackson
Johnson
Cleveland
Wilson
Roosevelt (4 terms)
Truman
Clinton
As modern liberal Democrats go, I guess you could consider Clinton the 3rd.
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The whole idea of a Counter-Clinton library is simply....pathetic.
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WP's already given a complete list of 2-term Democrat presidents, but for the sake of comparison, let's try limiting the list to 2-term Democratic Presidents during the 20th century, and put it next to the list of 2-term Republican presidents during the same period:That makes me think,How many Democrat Presidents got 2 terms in office?
Democratic Presidents elected to two terms or more
Wilson
Roosevelt (actually 4 terms)
Truman
Clinton
Republican Presidents elected to two terms
Roosevelt
Eisenhower
Nixon (didn't finish 2nd term)
Reagan
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EDIT: My mistake, Truman wasn't elected to two terms: his first term was actually a continuation of Roosevelt's 4th, since Roosevelt died to same year his 4th term began...
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I didn't even like Clinton and I find this tawdry and stupid.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
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Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
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Likely not. If they where selling pot, they'd hardly need to solicit private donations to fund the project.Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:Woah, this is idiotic...
Can I buy some pot from you guys?
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Wow. Just...wow. Of course, if someone criticizes the Gipper, the hardcore righties cry out in righteous anger.
Of course, there's gotta be something libelous in that library.
Of course, there's gotta be something libelous in that library.
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These guys brag that they were seen on The Daily Show.
Maybe somebody should give them a ring on the ol' Cluephone and let 'em know that you're only featured on the Daily Show if they're mocking you.
Maybe somebody should give them a ring on the ol' Cluephone and let 'em know that you're only featured on the Daily Show if they're mocking you.
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Clinton's a public figure, so for all practical purposes, libel law doesn't apply to those who lie about him unless their stupid enough to admit it's done with malice.HemlockGrey wrote:Wow. Just...wow. Of course, if someone criticizes the Gipper, the hardcore righties cry out in righteous anger.
Of course, there's gotta be something libelous in that library.
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What a bunch of blubbering, whiny children. They'll probably cry into their Cheerios when W gets the same treatment.
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Nah, Dubya will get U.S. taxpayers to pay 95% of the cost of the Cowboys' new football stadium by calling it a Presidential library .....frigidmagi wrote:What the fuck would Dubya have to with a library? I mean what would he put in it?
Naw, he's going to estblish the first Presidental Armory!
[img=right]http://www.tallguyz.com/imagelib/chmeesig.jpg[/img]My guess might be excellent or it might be crummy, but
Mrs. Spade didn't raise any children dippy enough to
make guesses in front of a district attorney,
an assistant district attorney, and a stenographer.
Sam Spade, "The Maltese Falcon"
Operation Freedom Fry
Mrs. Spade didn't raise any children dippy enough to
make guesses in front of a district attorney,
an assistant district attorney, and a stenographer.
Sam Spade, "The Maltese Falcon"
Operation Freedom Fry
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I somehow doubt that "My Pet Goat" will make the cut.frigidmagi wrote:What the fuck would Dubya have to with a library? I mean what would he put in it?
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Not only that, but the Crayons would melt in the Texas heat.Coyote wrote:I somehow doubt that "My Pet Goat" will make the cut.frigidmagi wrote:What the fuck would Dubya have to with a library? I mean what would he put in it?
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