Kwanzaa - Another example of racial seperation?

[Col. Crackpot]

Can you imagine celebrating Martin Luther King Day or Kwanzaa with the same level of sterotypes involved in St. Patricks day? I would imagine it would involve people who pretend to be black for the day by eating a dinner fried chicken with chitlins and collard greens, watermellon for desert and a night of getting smashed on cheap malt liquor and Alize while listening to Jay Z, singing old negro spitituals and tippin the bottle to our homies that went on up to the gangsta lean in the sky.

[Elfdart]

Can you imagine celebrating Martin Luther King Day or Kwanzaa with the same level of sterotypes involved in St. Patricks day? I would imagine it would involve people who pretend to be black for the day by eating a dinner fried chicken with chitlins and collard greens, watermellon for desert and a night of getting smashed on cheap malt liquor and Alize while listening to Jay Z, singing old negro spitituals and tippin the bottle to our homies that went on up to the gangsta lean in the sky.

I had fried chicken and watermelon last night. I didn't have Colt .45, but Foster's is pretty close.

[Col. Crackpot]

Can you imagine celebrating Martin Luther King Day or Kwanzaa with the same level of sterotypes involved in St. Patricks day? I would imagine it would involve people who pretend to be black for the day by eating a dinner fried chicken with chitlins and collard greens, watermellon for desert and a night of getting smashed on cheap malt liquor and Alize while listening to Jay Z, singing old negro spitituals and tippin the bottle to our homies that went on up to the gangsta lean in the sky.

I had fried chicken and watermelon last night. I didn't have Colt .45, but Foster's is pretty close.

Ahh, Colt .45! The only malt beverage endorsed by Lando Calrissian! Me, I prefer Olde English.

[Elfdart]

Can you imagine celebrating Martin Luther King Day or Kwanzaa with the same level of sterotypes involved in St. Patricks day? I would imagine it would involve people who pretend to be black for the day by eating a dinner fried chicken with chitlins and collard greens, watermellon for desert and a night of getting smashed on cheap malt liquor and Alize while listening to Jay Z, singing old negro spitituals and tippin the bottle to our homies that went on up to the gangsta lean in the sky.

I had fried chicken and watermelon last night. I didn't have Colt .45, but Foster's is pretty close.

Ahh, Colt .45! The only malt beverage endorsed by Lando Calrissian! Me, I prefer Olde English.

Don't say "BEER" say "BULL!" -the Schlitz malt liquor Bull!

[Jade Falcon]

Chmee, surely you're not suggesting that each and every black person in the USA today has an ancestor that was on a slave ship, you do get normal migration you know.

[Chmee]

Chmee, surely you're not suggesting that each and every black person in the USA today has an ancestor that was on a slave ship, you do get normal migration you know.

Jade -- no, just the overwhelming majority.

[Falkenhayn]

Don't know what the fuck you are all arguing about. I'm too busy rockin' out with the Kinsmen!

*Busts out two gallon Mead Horn, glues horns to baseball hat*

[Darth Wong]

How is pride in your identity segregation?

The fact that you primarily identify yourself by ethnicity instead of nationality is a form of segregation.

Am I somehow less American for being Irish-American and proud of that?

Proud of being different than other Americans? Celebrating that which makes you different, rather than celebrating that which makes you the same?

If so, then everybody who isn't NATIVE American has to just stfu about their background, I guess.

Yes. That's why I don't make a big show of celebrating Chinese traditions (except for the bit about giving gold-inlaid red envelopes filled with money as gifts during the holidays; that is such a fucking cool tradition that it should be kept and adopted by all Canadians). We have a Christmas tree in the living room like everyone else. And we have red and green lights on the outside of the house. And we wrap gifts in gaudily coloured paper. Etc.

[Perinquus]

Am I somehow less American for being Irish-American and proud of that?

Proud of being different than other Americans? Celebrating that which makes you different, rather than celebrating that which makes you the same?

This is a bit of a fine line. On the one hand, I am proud of, and do celebrate my Irish ancestry. I even went to live for four years in Ireland when I studied for my M.A. On the other hand, I generally identify myself as American, not Irish-American. I celebrate 4th of July more than I do St. Patrick's Day. There's nothing wrong with celebrating and commemorating your heritage. But it does get ridiculous when taken to an extreme - and I apply that every bit as much to what I call "professional Irish-Americans" crowing loudly about "the Auld Sod", despite never having been to Ireland, and drinking green beer on St. Paddy's Day (something that makes real Irish people laugh themselves silly), as much as I do to Black Americans who give their kids names they invented because they "sound African", or who celebrate Kwanzaa, despite the fact that it was fabricated by an American out of primarily east African traditions, and most African-Americans are of west African ancestry.

[HemlockGrey]

The Italians get Columbus Day,

I don't know of any Italians who celebrate Columbus Day, and I know quite a few Italians.

To that I say right on my brotha! We need to break this indoctrination, of isolation, via our participation, so that the black nation, embraces integration, gets an education, cuts down on the incarceration, and though shear intrepidation, become equals among the population.

That's brilliant. I heard Jesse Jackson's voice in my head while reading it.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Why don't they go there? Because they're made to feel unwelcome by all the trappings of race nationalism. St. Patrick's Day is not symptomatic of a major American social problem caused by the cultural and social self-segregation of the black population. To compare them is only possible if you're a complete idiot who can willfully ignore the big picture of reality.

And if you can figure out a way to relate anything you don't like to "loosewoman-baiting," "Jew-baiting," "black-baiting," "Hispanic-baiting," "[insert whatever here]-baiting" in every rant you make.

Try to be original.

[Illuminatus Primus]

^ Was to Elfy

[CaptainChewbacca]

The Italians get Columbus Day,

I don't know of any Italians who celebrate Columbus Day, and I know quite a few Italians.

To that I say right on my brotha! We need to break this indoctrination, of isolation, via our participation, so that the black nation, embraces integration, gets an education, cuts down on the incarceration, and though shear intrepidation, become equals among the population.

That's brilliant. I heard Jesse Jackson's voice in my head while reading it.

How did Columbus Day become an Italian holiday all of a sudden when Chris Columbus lived in, and set sail from, Spain? He wasn't terribly italian in life.

I must confess, I thought he was a Spaniard by birth.

[Elfdart]

Why don't they go there? Because they're made to feel unwelcome by all the trappings of race nationalism. St. Patrick's Day is not symptomatic of a major American social problem caused by the cultural and social self-segregation of the black population.

Of course not. Blacks and Irish are not the same. You are one dumb twat.

To compare them is only possible if you're a complete idiot who can willfully ignore the big picture of reality.

No, I just paid attention in history class and remembered that for many years, Irish people were considered baboons with freckles. St. Patrick's Day parades were often little more than riots with marching bands. There was real violence to be had around St. Paddy's Day. Guineas, Yids, Polacks and Negroes knew to keep their distance on that holiday unless they wanted to be showered with "Irish Confetti" (aka bricks, rocks, bottles). It used to be a very Irish Only affair. Not anymore because anybody can join (except open homosexuals). Kwanzaa doesn't have any of that baggage because even most black people consider it a joke of a holiday. So don't worry, those Negroes aren't so uppity after all.

And if you can figure out a way to relate anything you don't like to "loosewoman-baiting," "Jew-baiting," "black-baiting," "Hispanic-baiting," "[insert whatever here]-baiting" in every rant you make.

Try to be original.

I'm always one of a kind. I write how I please, though, and if you don't like it, pucker up and kiss my ass.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Of course not. Blacks and Irish are not the same. You are one dumb twat.

Ah, I see, you were listening to the melody of your own voice.

No, I just paid attention in history class and remembered that for many years, Irish people were considered baboons with freckles. St. Patrick's Day parades were often little more than riots with marching bands. There was real violence to be had around St. Paddy's Day. Guineas, Yids, Polacks and Negroes knew to keep their distance on that holiday unless they wanted to be showered with "Irish Confetti" (aka bricks, rocks, bottles). It used to be a very Irish Only affair. Not anymore because anybody can join (except open homosexuals). Kwanzaa doesn't have any of that baggage because even most black people consider it a joke of a holiday. So don't worry, those Negroes aren't so uppity after all.

Translation: "Errrr vague implication and apples to oranges equals argument, stoopeed."

The fact that Kwanzaa is a stupid abortion of a black nationalist with the express purpose of maintaining the self-imposed racial separatism and is frequently ignored does not change the fact its a stupid symptom of a major U.S. cultural problem, numbnuts. The fact its often ignored just means its often ignored and relates precisely zip to its stupidity or lack thereof.

Your Anti-Shep title is fitting, since you seem to have greedily assumed Shep's old mantle of the Red Herring.

I'm always one of a kind. I write how I please, though, and if you don't like it, pucker up and kiss my ass.

Nah, I'm just trying to help out the one-trick pony with no alternative to disagreement but tossing shit like a coked up macaque in a barely half-witted attempt so accomplish something - anything - by painting any opponent or even possible opponents as racist.

[Coyote]

Chmee is smart. And condescending.

Bad combination. High horses get shot out from under ya, 'round these here parts.