Zero Tolerence in Action.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2005-01-03 07:54pm

NO PRINCIPLES: Chloe Smith, 14, has been expelled from Mustang (Okla.) Middle School after a search of her locker turned up drugs. The
school's "zero tolerance" drug policy mandated the expulsion, even
though she had a valid prescription for the medication to treat a
chronic ovarian disease. "Mustang schools has a very intolerant view
toward drug use," explains Superintendent Karl Springer. School policy
mandates that any prescription medications be held by school officials.
(The Oklahoman) .

This is in my very fucking back yard. I'll be damned if I just sit on my ass for this.

Mustang Middle School
1145 S. Heights Drive
Mustang, OK 73064
Canadian County

So here's the school in question's address. I think y'all know what I intend to do and I'm asking you to join me. Write in on this.

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2005-01-03 08:00pm

WHy didn't she take her medicine to the school nurse? Like I do?

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-01-03 08:04pm

What the fuck?

Ok, mabye the girl screwed up a little bit, not giving her meds to the school to hand out, but Expulsion?

That's just retarded. Once they saw a doctor's note they should've reconsidered their decision.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » 2005-01-03 08:06pm

Time for a random pee test of the Superintendent.

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2005-01-03 08:15pm

Tigerlilly wrote:WHy didn't she take her medicine to the school nurse? Like I do?

You might to rethink that one bro.

Some students at West Middle School in Ypsilanti,
Mich., may have been denied prescription medications because Assistant
Principal Marcus Burlingame, 33, was allegedly stealing their drugs.
Burlingame seems to have had a preference for amphetamines prescribed
for kids with attention deficit disorder. He apologized and said he
would seek drug rehabilitation treatment. He was put on administrative
leave, with pay, but so far no criminal charges have been filed. School
policy requires student medicines be kept in the school's office. (Ann
Arbor News) ..

This Zero Tolerence Shit has only left children more open to abuse from above.

CDS · Post by **CDS** » 2005-01-03 08:20pm

Great. A school with with a zero tolerence policy on drugs has an assistant principle who steals the drugs. He's off on "adminsitrative leave" (practically paid holiday) while the girl gets expelled?

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-01-03 08:22pm

CDS wrote:Great. A school with with a zero tolerence policy on drugs has an assistant principle who steals the drugs. He's off on "adminsitrative leave" (practically paid holiday) while the girl gets expelled?

Isn't the U.S. Public School system just the greatest thing on Earth?

CDS · Post by **CDS** » 2005-01-03 08:24pm

A random question, but are the schools state ran or government ran? Would explain a lot if it was one of Bush's great "ideas"

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2005-01-03 08:37pm

State or locally run, depending on the specific area.

CDS · Post by **CDS** » 2005-01-03 08:41pm

My research tells me that the county is republican. Explains a lot

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » 2005-01-03 08:45pm

CDS wrote:My research tells me that the county is republican. Explains a lot

I thought they were against Big Government and unnecessary bureaucracy. What's more bureaucratic than getting a prescription from one doctor and then having someone who didn't prescribe it be in charge of doling it out to you at school?

CDS · Post by **CDS** » 2005-01-03 09:04pm

I was always under the understanding that Democrats was the most right.. therefore more likely to do things like this ("we don't care if you had a presciption or if we had to suspend our assistant principle for stealing drugs, but you still broke the rules so we'll be more strict on you.")

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2005-01-03 09:08pm

Some students at West Middle School in Ypsilanti,
Mich., may have been denied prescription medications because Assistant
Principal Marcus Burlingame, 33, was allegedly stealing their drugs.
Burlingame seems to have had a preference for amphetamines prescribed
for kids with attention deficit disorder. He apologized and said he
would seek drug rehabilitation treatment. He was put on administrative
leave, with pay, but so far no criminal charges have been filed. School
policy requires student medicines be kept in the school's office. (Ann
Arbor News) ..

Hmmm. Does this happen often though? If so, it's a problem and they should keep it on them, but they should instead have permission. I think expulsion is very extreme, however. Can't she just explain what happened?

frigidmagi · Post by **frigidmagi** » 2005-01-03 09:10pm

Hmmm. Does this happen often though? If so, it's a problem and they should keep it on them, but they should instead have permission. I think expulsion is very extreme, however. Can't she just explain what happened?

This is actually very standard. After all it's Zero Tolerence. Might has well be Zero Sense, really.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-01-03 09:12pm

I understand the reason for it but expulsion is a bit strict. Maybe. I mean why didn't she follow school policy?

CDS · Post by **CDS** » 2005-01-03 09:14pm

Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:Hmmm. Does this happen often though? If so, it's a problem and they should keep it on them, but they should instead have permission.

I used to work on the shop floor of a supermarket, and I used to carry around all sorts of drugs: paracetamol, caffine pills, sorbitol-containing lozenges...

It was company policy to keep all drugs in the locker upstairs. But I wouldn't be carrying lozenges that help avoid a dry throat and caffine pills if I could get them upstairs, where I could quite easily nip upstairs for a cup of coffee and kill 2 birds with one stone. But no, I wasn't allowed upstairs so ended up sneeking the pills down with me. My direct supervisor really couldn't care less.

These kind of people don't listen to reason. It's basicaly a case of if the rules make your life a misery, tough. They're the rules and you must accept the concequences if you break them.

I think expulsion is very extreme, however. Can't she just explain what happened?

I think she tried

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-01-03 09:52pm

frigidmagi wrote: This is actually very standard. After all it's Zero Tolerence. Might has well be Zero Sense, really.

How does zero tolerance for drugs translate into zero tolerance for prescriptions? This is ridiculous, so if I attended that school, I couldn't take my antipsycotics even though I could potentially flip out and kill everyone around me?

Who comes up with this shit?

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2005-01-03 09:56pm

The irony is, schools have zero-tolerncy policies, then they tell the parents to put there kids on Ritaline and other mind-control/altering drugs

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-01-03 09:59pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:
How does zero tolerance for drugs translate into zero tolerance for prescriptions? This is ridiculous, so if I attended that school, I couldn't take my antipsycotics even though I could potentially flip out and kill everyone around me?

Who comes up with this shit?

Prescriptions are controlled substances and can be abused.

The schools mindset is if they have possession of the medication then they can ensure that the child isn't handing it out among other children.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-01-03 10:00pm

Zero tollerance reads; zero liability from lawsuites. Or atleast hopefully.

All in all, it is fucking stupid.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-01-03 10:02pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote: Prescriptions are controlled substances and can be abused.

The schools mindset is if they have possession of the medication then they can ensure that the child isn't handing it out among other children.

Thats BS. This girl wasn't taking T3, Percosate or Morphine. Or anything that could be abused.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-01-03 10:03pm

Solauren wrote:The irony is, schools have zero-tolerncy policies, then they tell the parents to put there kids on Ritaline and other mind-control/altering drugs

They don't just tell you: they practically blackmail you. If your kid doesn't sit still in class and behave like a perfect little drone (never mind that this is highly unnatural for a little boy, which is why little boys constitute the vast majority of ADD diagnoses), they make it very clear that if you don't put your kid on Ritalin, they will make no effort whatsoever to accomodate your child because the problem is obviously an uncooperative parent.

Of course, not all teachers are like this. I've had some very good teachers who would never do or say such a thing. I've also had a shithead or two, and don't say it's just one bad apple: it's no laughing matter when one fucking idiot can literally steal away a year from your child's schooling, and possibly create psychological and social issues that will persist for much longer.

sketerpot · Post by **sketerpot** » 2005-01-03 10:07pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:How does zero tolerance for drugs translate into zero tolerance for prescriptions? This is ridiculous, so if I attended that school, I couldn't take my antipsycotics even though I could potentially flip out and kill everyone around me?

I believe the policy is that you can take drugs, but you have to take them either at home or through the school nurse. I can understand the reasoning for that, but I can't understand anybody getting upset over a violation of it. Yes, it's anal-retentive, but that describes so much of these people's mindsets that it disgusts me to write about it for fear of being contaminated.

Who comes up with this shit?

Politicians who want to appear tough on drugs for some stupid reason come up with the ultimate in toughness: zero-tolerance policies. And then the policies are applied by anal-retentive control freaks who somehow managed to get authority over other people. The result is messes like this.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2005-01-03 10:11pm

I can't believe you people are being so thick headed over this. Students can take whatever drug is prescribed to them, as long as it is administed by school officials. You know, those adults who are legally responsible for the kids' well being. What do you suggest the schools do, allow the children to administer their own dosage? We'll see how long that last after some 8th grader ends up killing themselves because they couldn't properly interpet the label. That's why the punishment is so tough. I couldn't franky care less what the assistant principle did, if anything, as the article does not even indicate that he stole that particular student's medication. The students who were effected should have told their parents, who should have called the cops right then and there. Keeping silent and breaking the drug policy was not the way to go. Yeah expuslion sucks, and this case isn't the fairest in the world, but this is not some kind of ideological game that you people seem to think it is, these are real dangers, a thousand expulsions are better than just one hospitalization, or worse even someone's death.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2005-01-03 10:18pm

Knife wrote:Zero tollerance reads; zero liability from lawsuites.

Not to echo WP's excellent point, but avoiding liability from lawsuits is preventing negligence, and that is a paramount concern for all professionals.