Will this be the Chineese Century?

[Illuminatus Primus]

Is anyone else amused by Chmee's bluffing through military matters and his endless masturbation to the universally useful SLBM?

I have to admit, I haven't seen this much whiny bitching substituting for actual thought since the last trip to the dog pound. Not sure why you feel the compulsion to jump on that particular train, IP, but it's a shame.

Style over substance, newbie.

Universal rule of forum discussion: the bigger the talk, the smaller the rocks. Really, if you talk like a 8th-grader, you probably don't have anything much more interesting to say than one, either.

Style over substance, newbie. Come back when you know your ass from your forehead on this board.

[Chmee]

Is anyone else amused by Chmee's bluffing through military matters and his endless masturbation to the universally useful SLBM?

I have to admit, I haven't seen this much whiny bitching substituting for actual thought since the last trip to the dog pound. Not sure why you feel the compulsion to jump on that particular train, IP, but it's a shame.

Style over substance, newbie.

Universal rule of forum discussion: the bigger the talk, the smaller the rocks. Really, if you talk like a 8th-grader, you probably don't have anything much more interesting to say than one, either.

Style over substance, newbie. Come back when you know your ass from your forehead on this board.

That's just it ... you confuse yappy chest-beating for style ... it ain't. Flapping your gums and waving your dick around ain't style in anybody's book, and it makes it impossible to take anything you say seriously.

I definitely know an ass when I see one ... just wish you'd quit hanging it so far out there.

[Illuminatus Primus]

That's just it ... you confuse yappy chest-beating for style ... it ain't. Flapping your gums and waving your dick around ain't style in anybody's book, and it makes it impossible to take anything you say seriously.

I definitely know an ass when I see one ... just wish you'd quit hanging it so far out there.

Nice to see the meaning of the style over substance remark flew right over your head. The fact that style of any kind is apparently a more important critique for you than the simple fact you don't know shit about the military (wonder SLBMs over cheap bombers, inconsistent scenarios for China, precisely NO background knowledge of AEGIS and Standard's capabilities, etc.) and bluff your way through it - which is substance makes you a vapid moron. You haven't provided any evidence for your prior magic SLBM accuracy, which is still stupid by basic economics which was spelled out for you several times by many people.

You strawman, substitution the location of the oil reserves for the prudent deployment of CVBGs in order to create an absurdly easy debate point for yourself. You don't know anything about the AEGIS' capabilities, and you don't know anything about the capabilities of China and the U.S. in any realistic conflict. You assert geopolitical stupidities (the U.S. won't risk itself for Taiwan, but mysteriously the PRC doesn't make overt grabs for it, despite having much better analysts than your ass). You are inconsistent to cover up that fact you're a moron: yes, in a purely hypothetical scenerio, the Chinese could use their one SLBM to try and nuke a single ship in a CVBG (and probably fail in a couple years, since, as you'd know if you knew anything about what you claimed, Standard is being upgraded for TMD capability), but then in the same page, you protest than realistically, the USN wouldn't risk itself for Taiwan, even though by the same token, the Chinese sure as hell would not risk the ENTIRE CHINESE NATION for nuking one destroyer or carrier - maybe.

In conclusion, you're a clueless, bluffing moron, who cries about how mean others are and invokes style over substance when the obvious is stated frankly.

[frigidmagi]

hat's just it ... you confuse yappy chest-beating for style ... it ain't. Flapping your gums and waving your dick around ain't style in anybody's book, and it makes it impossible to take anything you say seriously.

I definitely know an ass when I see one ... just wish you'd quit hanging it so far out there.

Speaking of hanging your ass out, did you bother to read the rules of this board before posting? Did you look to the top of the screen and see what's it about? I suppose you think your waste smells like roses to.

No one is obiligated to behave in a polite fashion here, if that's what you desire then you'll have to elsewhere. You're the one who crusied in yapping about crap you had no clue about and you expected people to take your feelings and self image into consideration. Doesn't happen here, this is a place where people get ruthlessly mocked for saying bullshit. Guess what you said?

[Chmee]

hat's just it ... you confuse yappy chest-beating for style ... it ain't. Flapping your gums and waving your dick around ain't style in anybody's book, and it makes it impossible to take anything you say seriously.

I definitely know an ass when I see one ... just wish you'd quit hanging it so far out there.

Speaking of hanging your ass out, did you bother to read the rules of this board before posting? Did you look to the top of the screen and see what's it about? I suppose you think your waste smells like roses to.

No one is obiligated to behave in a polite fashion here, if that's what you desire then you'll have to elsewhere. You're the one who crusied in yapping about crap you had no clue about and you expected people to take your feelings and self image into consideration. Doesn't happen here, this is a place where people get ruthlessly mocked for
saying bullshit. Guess what you said?

Always room for one more on the bandwagon, huh? Frigid, I have no bone to pick with you. You know, rough language doesn't ruffle my feathers ... I think I probably heard more than my share working graveyard in the paper mill 20 years ago, and so it doesn't have some kind of magic novelty for me that somehow makes me think it's a substitute for actually saying something. If somebody wants to flame me, great, I can handle it ... but 'you're a moron' ... 'you're an idiot' ... that's not making a point, it's just chest-beating. Any monkey can do that, should I treat it as something meriting a serious response?

You get these guys who say 'oh, come back when you've read the adult books' when every word out of their mouth is only something a child would say. It just doesn't work both ways. I am perfectly happy to discuss contentious issues with someone who disagrees 100% with me, but it gets real boring real fast when their only answer to things they disagree with is 'oh you're a dumbass.' It's not that it's so crude that I mind, it's just that it takes so little frickin' thought to come up with it ... it's lazy and simple-minded. At least be original or clever or put some thought into the flaming if you're going to flame me. I can get most of this stuff from any angry child, it's not stylish in any sense of the word.

Illum -- really, you threw so much stuff into that last one, I can't imagine you want a response to every point in there, so I'll assume it was flaming for flaming's sake and just let it pass.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Always room for one more on the bandwagon, huh? Frigid, I have no bone to pick with you. You know, rough language doesn't ruffle my feathers ... I think I probably heard more than my share working graveyard in the paper mill 20 years ago, and so it doesn't have some kind of magic novelty for me that somehow makes me think it's a substitute for actually saying something. If somebody wants to flame me, great, I can handle it ... but 'you're a moron' ... 'you're an idiot' ... that's not making a point, it's just chest-beating. Any monkey can do that, should I treat it as something meriting a serious response?

You get these guys who say 'oh, come back when you've read the adult books' when every word out of their mouth is only something a child would say. It just doesn't work both ways. I am perfectly happy to discuss contentious issues with someone who disagrees 100% with me, but it gets real boring real fast when their only answer to things they disagree with is 'oh you're a dumbass.' It's not that it's so crude that I mind, it's just that it takes so little frickin' thought to come up with it ... it's lazy and simple-minded. At least be original or clever or put some thought into the flaming if you're going to flame me. I can get most of this stuff from any angry child, it's not stylish in any sense of the word.

Illum -- really, you threw so much stuff into that last one, I can't imagine you want a response to every point in there, so I'll assume it was flaming for flaming's sake and just let it pass.

You ARE an idiot. You fiegn knowledge of SLBM utility, economy, and range. You fiegn knowledge of East Asian geopolitical reality. You fiegn knowledge of U.S. WMD policy. You fiegn knowledge of AEGIS capability and design. You fiegn U.S. bomber economy. You even fiegn knowledge of the post you are replying to, substituting "oil fields" for "CVBG" so you have a big red strawman to throw your pithy comebacks at.

You define what the "mockery of stupid people" refers to.

Your continued harping on the "quality" of that mockery shows that you're also unable to read what every other person who has read "style over substance" has.

[Chmee]

Always room for one more on the bandwagon, huh? Frigid, I have no bone to pick with you. You know, rough language doesn't ruffle my feathers ... I think I probably heard more than my share working graveyard in the paper mill 20 years ago, and so it doesn't have some kind of magic novelty for me that somehow makes me think it's a substitute for actually saying something. If somebody wants to flame me, great, I can handle it ... but 'you're a moron' ... 'you're an idiot' ... that's not making a point, it's just chest-beating. Any monkey can do that, should I treat it as something meriting a serious response?

You get these guys who say 'oh, come back when you've read the adult books' when every word out of their mouth is only something a child would say. It just doesn't work both ways. I am perfectly happy to discuss contentious issues with someone who disagrees 100% with me, but it gets real boring real fast when their only answer to things they disagree with is 'oh you're a dumbass.' It's not that it's so crude that I mind, it's just that it takes so little frickin' thought to come up with it ... it's lazy and simple-minded. At least be original or clever or put some thought into the flaming if you're going to flame me. I can get most of this stuff from any angry child, it's not stylish in any sense of the word.

Illum -- really, you threw so much stuff into that last one, I can't imagine you want a response to every point in there, so I'll assume it was flaming for flaming's sake and just let it pass.

You ARE an idiot. You fiegn knowledge of SLBM utility, economy, and range. You fiegn knowledge of East Asian geopolitical reality. You fiegn knowledge of U.S. WMD policy. You fiegn knowledge of AEGIS capability and design. You fiegn U.S. bomber economy. You even fiegn knowledge of the post you are replying to, substituting "oil fields" for "CVBG" so you have a big red strawman to throw your pithy comebacks at.

You define what the "mockery of stupid people" refers to.

Your continued harping on the "quality" of that mockery shows that you're also unable to read what every other person who has read "style over substance" has.

And yet, I don't have to feign my ability to spell 'feign.' Once is a typo, six times is simple illiteracy. How could I not bow down to such staggering intellectual prowess?

[MKSheppard]

And yet, I don't have to feign my ability to spell 'feign.' Once is a typo, six times is simple illiteracy. How could I not bow down to such staggering intellectual prowess?

Impossibul. You shall bow down before the HAB's objective Interum Light
Reconnasance Swarm of projected capabulities.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Style over substance. The point being, that the spelling of the word "feign" has precisely ZERO to do with my arguments against you, and you've refuted nothing. All you've done is done a great impression of a not-so-artfully-dodging condescending newbie fuck, desperately trying to cover up for his ignorance.

I suppose you're going to tell THE GREAT LEADER he knows zip about the armed forces of the world since he has this knack for sometimes misspelling the word "possible" as "possibul"? How much do you think that has to do with his arguments?

[Chmee]

Style over substance. The point being, that the spelling of the word "feign" has precisely ZERO to do with my arguments against you, and you've refuted nothing.

It only points out the irony of someone who engages in a rant meant to show the stupidity of the person they're attacking, but completely undercuts themself by making the attack illiterately.

The only thing you get by standing around slinging shit with an illiterate is a mess, and that's certainly where this thread has gotten us. What a mess.

[frigidmagi]

So instead of actually addressing the point you wanna bitch about spelling? Sounds like a concession to me.

[MKSheppard]

The only thing you get by standing around slinging shit with an illiterate is a mess, and that's certainly where this thread has gotten us. What a mess.

I note you still haven't replied to me proving that your SLBM vs carrier
wankery was full of shit.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Style over substance. The point being, that the spelling of the word "feign" has precisely ZERO to do with my arguments against you, and you've refuted nothing.

It only points out the irony of someone who engages in a rant meant to show the stupidity of the person they're attacking, but completely undercuts themself by making the attack illiterately.

Do you know anything about the subjects you claim to? Stop bullshitting, because the its pretty evident to most who do know about them that you probably don't, your dishonest, sniveling backpeddling and desperate pure off-topic personal attacks like spelling errors notwithstanding.

The only thing you get by standing around slinging shit with an illiterate is a mess, and that's certainly where this thread has gotten us. What a mess.

You are quite sincerely a challenged fuck.

[Vympel]

Illum -- really, you threw so much stuff into that last one, I can't imagine you want a response to every point in there, so I'll assume it was flaming for flaming's sake and just let it pass.

This thread is so close to being HoSed. Anyone can see through this last paragraph just by reading what IP wrote- if you think simply scoffing at a critique of your arguments, calling it "flaming" (which is freely permitted on these boards provided you make an argument while doing it) and then dismissing it without reply is an adequate response, you've got another thing coming.

[Chmee]

Stop bullshitting, because the its pretty evident to most who do know about them that you probably don't, your dishonest, sniveling backpeddling and desperate pure off-topic personal attacks like spelling errors notwithstanding.

omg pal, do you even hear yourself? You're bitching at ME about launching off-topic personal attacks? It's your whole schtick! You don't have anything else, and you're calling ME on that? That would be funny if it wasn't so ludicrous. If you have a point to make, an actual factual, issue-oriented point, I am going to respond to it.

Otherwise, quit clapping yourself on the back ... other than showing there's TWO things you know how to do with that hand (regrettably typing interesting things isn't the other one), it's not getting much done.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Stop bullshitting, because the its pretty evident to most who do know about them that you probably don't, your dishonest, sniveling backpeddling and desperate pure off-topic personal attacks like spelling errors notwithstanding.

omg pal, do you even hear yourself? You're bitching at ME about launching off-topic personal attacks? It's your whole schtick! You don't have anything else, and you're calling ME on that? That would be funny if it wasn't so ludicrous. If you have a point to make, an actual factual, issue-oriented point, I am going to respond to it.

Earth to Shitfuck: My insults have to do with YOU BLUFFING YOUR WAY THROUGH THE ARGUMENT AT HAND. They have to do with WITH THE TOPIC. MY SPELLING DOES NOT, SHITHEAD.

Otherwise, quit clapping yourself on the back ... other than showing there's TWO things you know how to do with that hand (regrettably typing interesting things isn't the other one), it's not getting much done.

Awwwh, look at the newb getting desperate as he's about to earn the Hall of Shame.

[Chmee]

Stop bullshitting, because the its pretty evident to most who do know about them that you probably don't, your dishonest, sniveling backpeddling and desperate pure off-topic personal attacks like spelling errors notwithstanding.

omg pal, do you even hear yourself? You're bitching at ME about launching off-topic personal attacks? It's your whole schtick! You don't have anything else, and you're calling ME on that? That would be funny if it wasn't so ludicrous. If you have a point to make, an actual factual, issue-oriented point, I am going to respond to it.

Earth to Shitfuck: My insults have to do with YOU BLUFFING YOUR WAY THROUGH THE ARGUMENT AT HAND. They have to do with WITH THE TOPIC. MY SPELLING DOES NOT, SHITHEAD.

Otherwise, quit clapping yourself on the back ... other than showing there's TWO things you know how to do with that hand (regrettably typing interesting things isn't the other one), it's not getting much done.

Awwwh, look at the newb getting desperate as he's about to earn the Hall of Shame.

IP -- I'll give it a last shot. Focus. Pick one thing you want to discuss. If you can do it like an adult, you'll get an answer.

[Illuminatus Primus]

IP -- I'll give it a last shot. Focus. Pick one thing you want to discuss. If you can do it like an adult, you'll get an answer.

Dumbass, I don't answer to you.

However, you might be able to resurrect your reputation somewhat from being a cowardly moron, and you could start by answering to Shep for your fresh-from-the-rectum anti-CVBG SLBM bullshit. After that to Skimmer about your other, similarly imaginary SLBM bullshit. And then we move on to your repeated dishonest behavior in this thread, namely your strawmen and inconsistent application of political concerns to the debate.

[Howedar]

IP -- I'll give it a last shot. Focus. Pick one thing you want to discuss. If you can do it like an adult, you'll get an answer.

You self-righteous piece of shit. We've made point after point, and not only do you not adequately refute them, you pretend the points do not even exist. You have categorically failed to address the inability of a SLBM to be used tactically.

You attack myself and others for mixing in personal attacks with our arguments. You know what? That's okay, because we have actual arguments in there. You are playing the woe-is-me card, which I can live with if you include with it actual refutation of the points against you.

It takes a special kind of hypocrite to admonish someone for weakening their argument with swearing, then completely failing to respond with an argument of one's own.

[Darth Wong]

Chmee, you seem to believe that rabid, continued use of the "you are rude, therefore your points are wrong and I don't have to answer them" variant upon the ad-hominem fallacy is somehow a valid retort. It is not. Answer the fucking points.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

The simple fact is that this is ridiculous because economic power has never translated directly into military power. The United Kingdom maintained the largest Empire in the world for about seventy-five years after being economically surpassed by the USA, and fifty years after being economically surpassed by Germany. China is still only the sixth largest economy in the world, so look for them to become the new superpower in about 2125 or so. Until then the world is basically America's playground, particularly the oceans.

[tharkûn]

The simple fact is that this is ridiculous because economic power has never translated directly into military power. The United Kingdom maintained the largest Empire in the world for about seventy-five years after being economically surpassed by the USA, and fifty years after being economically surpassed by Germany. China is still only the sixth largest economy in the world, so look for them to become the new superpower in about 2125 or so. Until then the world is basically America's playground, particularly the oceans.

Don't even look for them to be the new superpower then. China's vast rate of economic growth is a direct result of their craptacular wages and previous economic cockups. It is really easy to post phenomenal growth when you are start from rock bottom.

Eventually Chinese wages are going to reach some semblence of parity with the rest of the world, by which time the manufacture of generic crap will have shifted to other even more wage depressed populations. Eventually the Chinese economic engine will either collapse or stabilize and then the only thing holding up the country will be its population.

Really the Indian economy looks like it might rise in tandem with the Chinese and long before China can steamroll the US she is going to be facing a much more powerful India to the south.

Chmee: I'm going to say this nicely so you can't BS about style over substance with me. If china wants the oil 30 miles off its coast the US can station a CVBG say 230 miles off the coast and fly multiple missions to bomb the crap out of whatever forces the Chinese are projecting beyond the coastline.

In the event the Chinese are willing to try to nuke a CVN, they have already elected to accept nuclear war and may as well just play brinkmanship with Hawaii. Assuming for the moment that they successfully nuked a CVN the minimum retaliation would be a decapitation strike and complete demolition of C3I infrastructure. Trading Shanghai for a CVN is a really craptacular decsion. Risking thermonuclear war over offshore oil reserves is about as moronic a decision as a nation could make.

[Kamakazie Sith]

Stop bullshitting, because the its pretty evident to most who do know about them that you probably don't, your dishonest, sniveling backpeddling and desperate pure off-topic personal attacks like spelling errors notwithstanding.

omg pal, do you even hear yourself? You're bitching at ME about launching off-topic personal attacks? It's your whole schtick! You don't have anything else, and you're calling ME on that? That would be funny if it wasn't so ludicrous. If you have a point to make, an actual factual, issue-oriented point, I am going to respond to it.

Otherwise, quit clapping yourself on the back ... other than showing there's TWO things you know how to do with that hand (regrettably typing interesting things isn't the other one), it's not getting much done.

Chmee. He has been making actual factual, issue-oriented points. You've been blinded to them because he's being mean.

[Kamakazie Sith]

The simple fact is that this is ridiculous because economic power has never translated directly into military power. The United Kingdom maintained the largest Empire in the world for about seventy-five years after being economically surpassed by the USA, and fifty years after being economically surpassed by Germany. China is still only the sixth largest economy in the world, so look for them to become the new superpower in about 2125 or so. Until then the world is basically America's playground, particularly the oceans.

Don't even look for them to be the new superpower then. China's vast rate of economic growth is a direct result of their craptacular wages and previous economic cockups. It is really easy to post phenomenal growth when you are start from rock bottom.

Eventually Chinese wages are going to reach some semblence of parity with the rest of the world, by which time the manufacture of generic crap will have shifted to other even more wage depressed populations. Eventually the Chinese economic engine will either collapse or stabilize and then the only thing holding up the country will be its population.

Really the Indian economy looks like it might rise in tandem with the Chinese and long before China can steamroll the US she is going to be facing a much more powerful India to the south.

Chmee: I'm going to say this nicely so you can't BS about style over substance with me. If china wants the oil 30 miles off its coast the US can station a CVBG say 230 miles off the coast and fly multiple missions to bomb the crap out of whatever forces the Chinese are projecting beyond the coastline.

In the event the Chinese are willing to try to nuke a CVN, they have already elected to accept nuclear war and may as well just play brinkmanship with Hawaii. Assuming for the moment that they successfully nuked a CVN the minimum retaliation would be a decapitation strike and complete demolition of C3I infrastructure. Trading Shanghai for a CVN is a really craptacular decsion. Risking thermonuclear war over offshore oil reserves is about as moronic a decision as a nation could make.

Chmee, this is exactly what IP and everyone else has been telling you in this thread.

[Illuminatus Primus]

It has nothing to do with being "mean"; that's just a farcical excuse for him to try and distract attention. He did the same "my opponents' posts are invisible" act with the Pentagon funding thread.