CDS wrote:Eleas wrote:
It should. But it isn't, for most people. Because they shouldn't fucking have to. That's what this thread is all about, if you had bothered to read.
Lets put your argument into another environment. "A condom should be the first thing you put on when having sex. But it isn't, for most people. Because they shouldn't fucking have to." Agreed.
You may agree with your strawmen as much as you want, but that doesn't make them my statements. What I'm saying is that Microsoft is at fault for leaving their system wide open. Because of their practices, you are
forced to install a virus killer first thing, to cover up holes that they shouldn't have made in the first place. They shouldn't have to cover up Microsoft's fuckups. Yet they do.
What you're implying with the above strawman is pretty much open to conjecture. The reason we use condoms is twofold - to protect against diseases, and to prevent unwanted pregnancies. You're equating the virus killer with a condom, and going on the internet with fucking. That's cute, but it ignores the fact that the OS matters, as does its weaknesses.
Which. Are. The. Point. Of. The. Fucking. Thread. No matter how much you try to skew the argument to be about the nefarious use of p2p and the need for virus killers to patch what M$ should have made secure.
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They were disconnected because said viruses used obvious holes in Windows. That is a bad thing, yet Microsoft does not care. Why do you not understand this?
Just because Microsoft allegedly don't care, doesn't mean the user is totally blameless.
Yes, Windows is a pile of shit I would never inflict the pain of on even my worst enemy, but you can't blame everything on the OS.
Tell me, do you ever get tired of using strawmen? I never blamed everything on the OS. I just attack a system for having phenomenally weak security and no inclination on part of its producers to change this fact.
I've seen Windows installations in a much worse state than they should be because people do stupid things with it. Just like everything else. It's not Microsoft's job to mother you and not let you do something just because the big bad virus will come and get you.
But Windows does exactly this. It mothers you to death. And lets in viruses while doing so. Remember that fucking paperclip they had in Win97? In the meantime, Word macros were busily screwing your entire system over...
In point of fact, the "stupid things" that hurt Windows can be just about anything. Opening the wrong mp3, clicking on a shady link, executing a program that a sane system wouldn't allow you to run as regular user...
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Firstly, let me point out a small contradiction. How can you find music that you would otherwise never be able to find, nor pay for, if you're legal-minded?
Let me break it down for you in very small parts.
1. Some people own stuff that others don't, and cannot find by normal means. Particularly if you're not from the US or UK, because in other countries we don't have as big a market. At all. If you understand and accept this concept, go to step 2.
2. Some people who own said stuff put it on their computers. Got this? Good. Now over to step 3.
3. Using p2p, I can access stuff that the friendly other person offers. I can thus get stuff I would never otherwise be in a position to pay for. The artist is not robbed of any revenue, and indeed enjoys an extended influence. Go to step 4.
4. There is no step four. You may take the time to read through the above text again, this time actually attempting to assimilate it.
There are plenty of ways to get music off the internet, legal or not. One such website is mp3.com - i'm sure theres many more. Some more legal than others.
...and p2p is simply another way. In some distant future, you will hopefully have the capacity to understand that this is what I've been saying all along.
You talk as though p2p is the only way of getting shareware. It's not. Shareware has been around for years - probably as long as the virus. What were the four main ways of getting it?
Stop humping your strawman, child. I talk as if p2p is a legitimate method of sharing files, no more. If you wish to distort my statements, kindly do it less obviously.
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I've never had a virus in my life. Even when using Windows. I wonder why?
I don't. You're obviously disinclined to use your computer at anywhere near its potential, instead opting to waste truly staggering amounts of time in order to protect your computer from what it should be able to handle from the get-go.
Nah. I use linux.
"Even when using Windows." LOL. This is classic.
And no. I don't use Windows anymore, except for graphic design and for gaming. If you was to ask me I'd tell you to get linux on your machines unless there is a real reason why you need Windows.
Why's that? After all, if you have a virus killer and no p2p, according to you there's no problem.
By asking this question it proves that you are either a) a novice, b) clueless, or c) stupid. Or all three.
Far be it for me to intrude on your domain. No, I simply took the fourth option, the one you've yet to learn. It's called "reading the argument before responding to it".
Now. In a thread about a flaw in the Windows operating system, you intimated that these problems were all avoidable if one only used a virus killer and avoided p2p. This, while the problems mentioned were due to a
feature in Windows, and p2p wasn't even mentioned. You're just going to have to accept the fact that this makes your stupidity obvious.
You essentially brushed off the entire argument on flawed Windows security by practically stating that p2p abstinence and a virus killer would take care of this problem. You furthermore said that you'd recommend Linux (a very difficult to use operating system, especially for n00bs) in favor of Windows, in this same context. I found the dichotomy obvious, as would anyone.
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