Star Crossed Fanfic

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-10 11:01pm

Stravo wrote:
Pcm979 wrote:
“First, the hyperdrive unit is powered by a special power cell that we link to our own hypermatter reactors to recharge. Once the charge is expended the hyperdrive unit becomes inactive. In order to recharge the unit, the Romulans would need a power source equivalent to a hypermatter reactor and we know that no such technology exists for any empire in this galaxy.”
The Doomsday machine has a Hypermatter reactor, right?
See where I'm going?
Shhhhhh.....

What? I posted it pages ago

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2002-11-10 11:05pm

A minor nitpick here Stravo, and I haven't seen it elsewhere...

Carrack Cruisers don't have a hanger bay. They have external racks to hold TIE's

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-10 11:06pm

Captain_Cyran wrote:A minor nitpick here Stravo, and I haven't seen it elsewhere...

Carrack Cruisers don't have a hanger bay. They have external racks to hold TIE's

Shit, I forgot about that! That's right! They hold 5 TIEs, right?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-11-10 11:07pm

Captain_Cyran wrote:A minor nitpick here Stravo, and I haven't seen it elsewhere...

Carrack Cruisers don't have a hanger bay. They have external racks to hold TIE's

DOH!!!!!

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-10 11:12pm

Stravo wrote:The Horan Corr was a Carrack class cruiser, usually relegated to simple picket duty in the mighty Imperial Navy, but here in this galaxy, despite her size and armament relative to other Imperial warships she was quite deadly.

ROFL. I fogot to mention: I like that name!

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-11-11 12:54am

This is fantastic

Honestly better than most stuff I currently read. Heck if this was comic I would subscribe without a second thought...and after seeing some of whom are in the field and are praised I can honestly say so far is some of the best SW I have read in a long while(Dark Horse and their bleeding of the franchise)

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-11 12:57am

Meh. There's too much thinking for a comic. It would make a better manga.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-11-11 01:00am

I disagree some things like Starman and Sandman proved Comics can have as much thinking and philosophy as any book, just with pictures...and then again Manga and comics are just slight slants of the same style not really saying who's better...just how one's vision is willed.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-11 01:06am

The self-destruct sequence could be easily altered by his XO being out cold as he obviously was.

As for the hangar bay- do'h. I remembered the external racks thing as well.

Oh ... doesn't the E-Web have a shield generator?

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-11-11 01:47am

Yes, but the power generator has an unshielded exhaust port.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-11 04:39am

consequences wrote:Yes, but the power generator has an unshielded exhaust port.

I despise the Shadow Fleet. The Federation Remnant is much cooler- they are lead by Kirk- has all the cool characters (except for WESLEY) etc. Hopefully the Shadow Fleet gets smashed into little tiny pieces.

A point about the Doomsday Machine thing tho ... it does not have the power to explode a planet like a bomb that the Death Star has. In fact, IIRC it cuts up and consumes a planet over a much longer time period. And its neutronium armor is immune to Star Trek phasers, not Star Wars weaponry. If the Doomsday Machine destroys the Death Star I will be VERY displeased. That is all

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-11-11 07:00am

The question now becomes what is Kirk gonna do? This was his big plan remember? Does he know that it happened? Is he gonna turn up in the middle of an Imperial investigation and get the royal SMACKDOWN that I am soooooooooooooooo hoping that he'll get sooooooooooooooon!

Ah, Stravo, you've done it again!

And when is Thrawn gonna finally deal with this little upstart?

Stravo if Vader and Luke end up killing Thrawn at the end because you decide to play the moral card I will hunt you down and bleed you for payment!

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-11 07:34am

Crown wrote:The question now becomes what is Kirk gonna do? This was his big plan remember? Does he know that it happened? Is he gonna turn up in the middle of an Imperial investigation and get the royal SMACKDOWN that I am soooooooooooooooo hoping that he'll get sooooooooooooooon!

Ah, Stravo, you've done it again!

And when is Thrawn gonna finally deal with this little upstart?

Stravo if Vader and Luke end up killing Thrawn at the end because you decide to play the moral card I will hunt you down and bleed you for payment!

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-11-11 07:45am

You disagree?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-11 09:09am

I agree fully, I just resent tiny text

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-11-11 09:33am

NecronLord wrote:I agree fully, I just resent tiny text

So do I.

You're all assuming that Thrawn dies...IF he does, I assure you it will be artistic.

BTW I noticed public opinion about the Shadowfleet has changed somewhat since they were first introduced. I guess its because we finally got to see the darker side of their missions. They're not heroes, they were never meant to be. They are the antithesis of the Federation and her ideals. The irony is that they truly believe that they are defending the Federation.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-11-11 09:36am

You know, I've always wondered why groups, like the Federation or the Rebellion, etc, are always referred to with female pronouns.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-11-11 09:43am

Kelly Antilles wrote:You know, I've always wondered why groups, like the Federation or the Rebellion, etc, are always referred to with female pronouns.

Because women are nurturing and supportive as we all wish our governments or causes to be and I also think it subconciously plays into the whole woman=must protect category in many men's minds. It may also be cultural since Germany views its own nation as the Fatherland. Nations like Russia sees itself as the Rodina or Motherland. AN interesting observation Kelly and one I did not notice me making until you pointed it out.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-11-11 09:47am

Hey, that's what I'm here for.

Just like men and their cars. Cars are always female too.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2002-11-11 10:23am

Just like men and their cars. Cars are always female too.

Ships too.

AFAIR, the US Navy called a friendly ship "her", and the enemy "it" or "he" during the cold war. Interesting observation indeed...

ViciousMink · Post by **ViciousMink** » 2002-11-11 11:30am

I believe of late it's become US Navy mandate to refer to all ships as 'it.' Which is a shame, at least in my mind, since I'm a sucker for tradition and I never saw anything insulting or demeaning in referring to a grand ship of the sea with a feminine pronoun.

Stravo, more praise for a good chapter! Though I have to quibble a bit with the graphic scenes on the Carrack's bridge. MOST of the Dirty Deeds done by the Empire have been either shown off-screen, or had the same visual impact of a shadow stabbing another shadow in the back. Visually, this gets accross the idea that the Imperials are really bad guys while at the same time not subjecting the viewer/reader to the gore that we know happens now and then.

On the other hand, this really, really put into sharp contrast what the Shadowfleet is capable of, morally, in the defense of the Federation. It also made them several steps below the Empire in many peoples' eyes because of it, I think. We've always viewed the Federation as occupying the moral high ground (in an arrogant, holier-than-thou manner) and so any sign of hypocrisy on their part is fairly shocking (c.f. Insurrection, Section 31.) It really makes one wonder, reading something like this, if the Shadowfleet is really a sort of qlippothic Federation... or a completely different cultural entity with no link to the real Federation other than in name.

As for the concept of an ancient Vulcan agency that employs S31/Shadowfleet tactics... that also puts an interesting spin on things. I for one am a fan of the 'great and vast conspiracy' literary device, and I think it's an intriguing that the Vulcans would have an S31-like agency to preserve their way of life.

It does, however, have a disturbing connotation to it: Are ANY of the ST utopias capable of existing on their own without the covert assistance of an agency or agencies that routinely operate in direct violation of that society's tenets and mores?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-11-11 12:25pm

It does, however, have a disturbing connotation to it: Are ANY of the ST utopias capable of existing on their own without the covert assistance of an agency or agencies that routinely operate in direct violation of that society's tenets and mores?

I would posit that the CIA and NSA are just such organizations within the US system that prides itself on its own moral highground and dedication to democracy. Yet when people democratically chose a government we did not like - particularly in the Third World, we would eventually try to destabilize the situation to force a change of government. My general idea about s.31 and the shadowfleet is simple. Sometimes dirty deeds need to be done in order to portect and defend a nation because the world itself is a dirty and nasty place. Groups like the Shadowfleet allow utopian societies to thrive in an environment that is opposed to them without the society feeling like its getting its hands dirty.

The shadowfleet are patriots, the Federation right or wrong. In their fanatical zeal they will do just about ANYTHING to portect and defend her. I wanted to show that this is not particulalrly heroic. Black ops are NOT James Bond funfests. Its cruel nasty and brutish work.

I guess then my answer to that question, according to my fic is NO. You NEED organizations like this to protect nations or governemnts that are unwilling to get down and dirty.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-11-11 12:29pm

Oh and Vicious Mink, the choice of going ultyra graphic was a concious one. I have tried to embrace the atmosphere of both universe's where gore and curse words are rarely ever seen. If you really look I think that this is no real foul language except in extremely rare circumstances...and I believe the majority have been in Shadowfleet chapters. The Shadowfleet chapters need to have a different feel to them BECAUSE of the message I'm trying to convey. We need to really feel and see just how nasty these guys can be. Used sparingly, ultra violence can get the point across very well...these are NOT heroes, NOT nice guys, NOT misunderstood loners. They are brutes with the will to do anything to protect an ideal that ironically enough rejects them.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-11 12:47pm

I think they are going to suffer quite a bit upon the arrival of Thrawn.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-11-11 03:57pm

I like the shadowfleet. Feds with balls.

Oh and if Thrawn gets killed then I for one will not be complaining. I never liked the guy, smacked of author egotrip to me the way Zahn wrote him at times.