Scandanavian Gods vs. Greek Gods

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2002-11-11 12:31pm

If you mean which armies of mortals would crush the other and thus decimate the gods of the other culture (gods run off of belief system, good example Small Gods by Terry Prachat) then I give it to the romans. Hmmm, phalanx killing action.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-11 12:41pm

Larz wrote:If you mean which armies of mortals would crush the other and thus decimate the gods of the other culture (gods run off of belief system, good example Small Gods by Terry Prachat) then I give it to the romans. Hmmm, phalanx killing action.

Doesn't do jack shit if you're at sea.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-11 12:42pm

fgalkin wrote:
Larz wrote:If you mean which armies of mortals would crush the other and thus decimate the gods of the other culture (gods run off of belief system, good example Small Gods by Terry Prachat) then I give it to the romans. Hmmm, phalanx killing action.
Doesn't do jack shit if you're at sea.

In which case we have the Greeks. Duh.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-11 12:49pm

verilon wrote:
fgalkin wrote:
Larz wrote:If you mean which armies of mortals would crush the other and thus decimate the gods of the other culture (gods run off of belief system, good example Small Gods by Terry Prachat) then I give it to the romans. Hmmm, phalanx killing action.
Doesn't do jack shit if you're at sea.
In which case we have the Greeks. Duh.

The triremes are good, but once it's boarding time, they are dead. 10 marines on board just doesn't cut it.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2002-11-11 12:50pm

Norse sea battle wouldn't be effective against the roman sea warfar. The romans, I would imagine, would prefer to use archers to kill the crew of the norse boat before they could get within boarding distance, and even then the romans could kill them and keep them from boarding using spears and a modified from of phalanx to put up a shield wall on the side being boarded...

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-11 12:50pm

fgalkin wrote:The triremes are good, but once it's boarding time, they are dead. 10 marines on board just doesn't cut it.

Triremes? Huh?

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2002-11-11 12:52pm

hence why you don't let the viking board... I agree, if they boarded the battle would be quick to end for the romans

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-11 12:54pm

verilon wrote:
fgalkin wrote:The triremes are good, but once it's boarding time, they are dead. 10 marines on board just doesn't cut it.
Triremes? Huh?

Learn your naval history. Triremes=Greek warships.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-11 12:55pm

fgalkin wrote:
verilon wrote:
fgalkin wrote:The triremes are good, but once it's boarding time, they are dead. 10 marines on board just doesn't cut it.
Triremes? Huh?
Learn your naval history. Triremes=Greek warships.

Gimme a break. So I didn't know something. Jeez.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-11-11 12:59pm

verilon wrote:Gimme a break. So I didn't know something. Jeez.

*snaps verilon's neck*
Break given

Crom · Post by **Crom** » 2002-11-11 12:59pm

verilon wrote:Ares.

Ares and Athena were both gods of war, only of different aspects. Athena was also the goddess of metis, of ingenuity. She was the noble aspect of war, she represented strategy and order and honor. Ares was none of these things, he was the darker chaotic aspects of war.

So if I'd have to choose which one was more dangerous I'd have to say it was Athena. She's a warrior, she's smart, and she's got all the powers of a Greek goddess.

I can't recall anything Ares has ever done to warrant any respect.

verilon wrote:Prometheus.

I'm sorry but I don't understand how a man who's chained to a rock, perpetually having something eat out his liver, is much of a threat to anyone.

verilon wrote:As far as youre opinion goes.

Yes, but I did try and back it up. One of the Norse gods has a sword that, when drawn, slays armies. Greek gods can be slain, and it never said that their deaths could only be achieved by other Greek gods.

But I think this would boil down to opinion. I think at the moment I don't have enough information at my disposal to fully back up my arguments.

CROM

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-11 01:04pm

Crom wrote:
verilon wrote:Ares.
Ares and Athena were both gods of war, only of different aspects. Athena was also the goddess of metis, of ingenuity. She was the noble aspect of war, she represented strategy and order and honor. Ares was none of these things, he was the darker chaotic aspects of war.

So if I'd have to choose which one was more dangerous I'd have to say it was Athena. She's a warrior, she's smart, and she's got all the powers of a Greek goddess.

I can't recall anything Ares has ever done to warrant any respect.

I'll giove you that, but this isn't about respoect, is it?

verilon wrote:Prometheus.
I'm sorry but I don't understand how a man who's chained to a rock, perpetually having something eat out his liver, is much of a threat to anyone.

Why does everyone seem to froget that Hercules undid him from that rock?

And HDS: *cracks neck back into place* Oww....that hurt....

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-11 01:06pm

*remembers*

Harpies and Sirens.....devastating. The only rememberable to get away from them {the Sirens) is Apollo.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-11 01:47pm

Odysseus....

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-11 02:00pm

Frost giants, trolls, fire monsters from Muspelheim are going to assrape the greeks

greenmm · Post by **greenmm** » 2002-11-11 03:45pm

XaLEv wrote:The Greek gods would win, thanks to Eris. She just tosses an Apple of Discord into the Norse gods' ranks, and sits back. The Greeks don't really have to do much of anything.

Assuming Loki doesn't shapeshift and pretend to be Eris or one of the other gods. Loki had no trouble over the years mimicking his fellow Norse gods to the point that they didn't detect the substitution, so I don't see how the Greek gods could avoid being fooled -- especially since Hera normally didn't know about Zeus' shapeshifting efforts until after he'd gotten some maiden or nymph pregnant, and she was nearly as powerful as Zeus.

greenmm · Post by **greenmm** » 2002-11-11 03:58pm

verilon wrote:
fgalkin wrote:
verilon wrote:What "previous generation"?
Cronus, etc.
Ah, but Uranus was killed by Cronus, and Cronus by Zeus. They were killed by their own. And who were the Norse gods killed by, if I may ask?

And this may just be a duel.....but is it possible that we ignore the last battle for the Norse, in this case?

I know Thor dies in battle with the Jormungard Serpent, which IIRC is the child of his brother Loki and a Giantess (Norse equivelent to the Titans). That would put the Serpent at at least demi-god (i.e. Hercules) level, if not full deity level.

And yes, Cronus killed his father Uranus, and Zeus/Jupiter killed his father Cronus -- IIRC, with the same sickle that Chronus used on his father. The thing to remember is that the Titans were uncles and aunts to Zeus and his family, because their father and mother (Cronus and Rhea) were 2 of the original 12 Titans, just as the 3 Cyclops and the 3 Hecatoncheries ("Hundred-Handed") were their siblings (all 18 children of Gaia and Uranus); the only thing special about them was that they were the rulers.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-11 04:17pm

greenmm wrote:
XaLEv wrote:The Greek gods would win, thanks to Eris. She just tosses an Apple of Discord into the Norse gods' ranks, and sits back. The Greeks don't really have to do much of anything.
Assuming Loki doesn't shapeshift and pretend to be Eris or one of the other gods. Loki had no trouble over the years mimicking his fellow Norse gods to the point that they didn't detect the substitution, so I don't see how the Greek gods could avoid being fooled -- especially since Hera normally didn't know about Zeus' shapeshifting efforts until after he'd gotten some maiden or nymph pregnant, and she was nearly as powerful as Zeus.

Even if Loki shapeshifts to pretend to be Eris, Eris still is the one with control over the Apple of Discord.

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2002-11-12 12:49am

verilon wrote:
fgalkin wrote:
verilon wrote:What "previous generation"?
Cronus, etc.
Ah, but Uranus was killed by Cronus, and Cronus by Zeus. They were killed by their own. And who were the Norse gods killed by, if I may ask?

And this may just be a duel.....but is it possible that we ignore the last battle for the Norse, in this case?

Odin and his horse Sleipnir will be killed by the Fenris Wolf.

Tyr will be killed by a smaller wolf.

Frey will be killed by the fire giant Surt.

Thor will kill and be killed by Jormungand, the Midgard Serpent.

Loki and Heimdall will kill each other.

Those are the ones that are named in the myths.

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2002-11-12 12:55am

I should really post the play I wrote based on the myth of Thor and Loki dressing up as women to get Mjolnir back.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-12 01:02am

Bug-Eyed Earl wrote:I should really post the play I wrote based on the myth of Thor and Loki dressing up as women to get Mjolnir back.

Yes, you should. I, for one, would love to read it.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Bug-Eyed Earl · Post by **Bug-Eyed Earl** » 2002-11-12 02:44am

Here it is:

http://www.otaku-haven.com/forum/attach ... 1036131304

I take some liberties with the actual myth to expand it, and a little bit of modern slang is used. Also, I needed a henchman for Thrym, so I put Grendel from Beowulf in, as a kind of explanation as to what he was doing before that story began. I think Odin, Thor, and Loki come closest to their mythological counterparts. I wrote this for an annual play writing festival at school, so I had to write technical notes as well.

It made me want to write something serious about the Norse Gods, but time will tell if I ever do that. [/url]

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-11-12 04:01pm

IG-88E wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
IG-88E wrote: That's NOT what I meant and you know it.
I know the mythology.

And as far as I know, the Norse God's wouldn't hesitate to deflower her.
Yeah, I know, but Verilon was listing the goddesses who would beat the Norse through their looks. Artemis would go for a straight up fight instead of seduction, so she doesn't belong in that category.

So would Pallas Athena.

She's the goddess of warfare for nothing.

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-11-12 04:02pm

I meant not the goddess of warfare for nothing. Bah!

Hera would probably fight as well.

Antediluvian · Post by **Antediluvian** » 2002-11-12 04:16pm

fgalkin wrote:Frost giants, trolls, fire monsters from Muspelheim are going to assrape the greeks

You mean like the Titans and Giants did? Oh wait, that didn't happen.

Directed to the opposite side: The Olympians have fought as a pantheon before, and they don't have to kill Odin and the others, just fend them off.

It should also be noted that the Olympians defeated all of their enemies for good without dying. Can the Asgardians say the same?

Plus, the Olympian's immortality gives them an advantage, as stated earlier.

I think the Asgardian defenders are underestimating the Greek pantheon's powers and fighting abilities here.