35,000 to be sent to islamic boarding schools

N&P: Discuss governments, nations, politics and recent related news here.

Moderators: Alyrium Denryle, Edi, K. A. Pital

Post Reply
User avatar
Chardok
GET THE FUCK OFF MY OBSTACLE!
Posts: 8488
Joined: 2003-08-12 09:49am
Location: San Antonio

35,000 to be sent to islamic boarding schools

Post by Chardok »

NPR link. you can listen to the story
January 11, 2005 · The Indonesian government temporarily bans all adoptions of 35,000 children who were orphaned or separated from their parents by the tsunami. They government draws up plans to place orphans in Islamic boarding schools. But the schools have yet to be built and Acehnese families have been taking neighborhood orphans into their homes. NPR's Adam Davidson reports.

I wonder if the children were islamic to begin with....
Image
User avatar
Wicked Pilot
Moderator Emeritus
Posts: 8972
Joined: 2002-07-05 05:45pm

Post by Wicked Pilot »

I would be particularly amused if the Bush Administration came out saying this was a bad idea.
The most basic assumption about the world is that it does not contradict itself.
User avatar
Darth Wong
Sith Lord
Sith Lord
Posts: 70028
Joined: 2002-07-03 12:25am
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

Post by Darth Wong »

No doubt a pro-religionist would try to spin-doctor this into an assertion that Islam is good because it's taking care of these kids. The fact that religious charities so often have an ulterior motive in swooping down like vultures to take advantage of potential recruits when they're most vulnerable is, of course, not mentioned.
Image
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing

"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC

"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness

"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
User avatar
RedImperator
Roosevelt Republican
Posts: 16465
Joined: 2002-07-11 07:59pm
Location: Delaware
Contact:

Post by RedImperator »

The temporary ban on adoptions might be to buy the government time to stablize the situation before child traffickers can swoop in. There's a chance the tsunami could turn Aceh province into an orphan Wal-Mart. I don't like the Muslim boarding schools, but they might be the only option the government has.
Image
Any city gets what it admires, will pay for, and, ultimately, deserves…We want and deserve tin-can architecture in a tinhorn culture. And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed.--Ada Louise Huxtable, "Farewell to Penn Station", New York Times editorial, 30 October 1963
X-Ray Blues
User avatar
Darth Wong
Sith Lord
Sith Lord
Posts: 70028
Joined: 2002-07-03 12:25am
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

Post by Darth Wong »

RedImperator wrote:The temporary ban on adoptions might be to buy the government time to stablize the situation before child traffickers can swoop in. There's a chance the tsunami could turn Aceh province into an orphan Wal-Mart. I don't like the Muslim boarding schools, but they might be the only option the government has.
That makes sense, but it also highlights the problem with allowing religious organizations to dominate the charitable organizations in any given country. They want to put themselves in a position where the vulnerable must go to them.
Image
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing

"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC

"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness

"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
User avatar
RedImperator
Roosevelt Republican
Posts: 16465
Joined: 2002-07-11 07:59pm
Location: Delaware
Contact:

Post by RedImperator »

Darth Wong wrote:
RedImperator wrote:The temporary ban on adoptions might be to buy the government time to stablize the situation before child traffickers can swoop in. There's a chance the tsunami could turn Aceh province into an orphan Wal-Mart. I don't like the Muslim boarding schools, but they might be the only option the government has.
That makes sense, but it also highlights the problem with allowing religious organizations to dominate the charitable organizations in any given country. They want to put themselves in a position where the vulnerable must go to them.
In a place like Indonesia, especially a backwater part of Indonesia, it's not really a question of allowing anything. The religious organizations are often the only stable institutions with the resources to get anything done, and Islam has a built-in advantage in requiring all worshippers to tithe to charity, so even a small mosque in the middle of nowhere has some cash with which to play. This does have advantages--ulterior motive or not, religious charities DO do good work, and in many places, without them people would be in far worse shape than they already are. It would be better if they were being served by secular charities, or the state, or better yet, didn't need charity at all, but that's simply not an option right now and won't be for a long time in many places.

You see the same thing in rural communities in North America, especially in earlier times. The local church is the backbone of the community because it's bigger than any of the local businesses and the local government, by virtue of its long-term stability and the fact the majority of the community is a member. Before the welfare state, the church might be the only thing between a family fallen on hard times and starvation. Even with state assistance, the church can improve the quality of life for its hard-luck members because it has money, can mobilize the rest of the community, and has a much better understanding of the situation on the ground than a county welfare officer. The downside, of course, is well known and often discussed in this forum.
Image
Any city gets what it admires, will pay for, and, ultimately, deserves…We want and deserve tin-can architecture in a tinhorn culture. And we will probably be judged not by the monuments we build but by those we have destroyed.--Ada Louise Huxtable, "Farewell to Penn Station", New York Times editorial, 30 October 1963
X-Ray Blues
User avatar
Chmee
Sith Marauder
Posts: 4449
Joined: 2004-12-23 03:29pm
Location: Seattle - we already buried Hendrix ... Kurt who?

Post by Chmee »

Darth Wong wrote:That makes sense, but it also highlights the problem with allowing religious organizations to dominate the charitable organizations in any given country. They want to put themselves in a position where the vulnerable must go to them.
When you have a religion like Islam that makes charitable donation one of the 'pillars' of the religion, it's unavoidable that it's going to be a major influence in charitable projects.
[img=right]http://www.tallguyz.com/imagelib/chmeesig.jpg[/img]My guess might be excellent or it might be crummy, but
Mrs. Spade didn't raise any children dippy enough to
make guesses in front of a district attorney,
an assistant district attorney, and a stenographer
.

Sam Spade, "The Maltese Falcon"

Operation Freedom Fry
User avatar
Darth Wong
Sith Lord
Sith Lord
Posts: 70028
Joined: 2002-07-03 12:25am
Location: Toronto, Canada
Contact:

Post by Darth Wong »

Chmee wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:That makes sense, but it also highlights the problem with allowing religious organizations to dominate the charitable organizations in any given country. They want to put themselves in a position where the vulnerable must go to them.
When you have a religion like Islam that makes charitable donation one of the 'pillars' of the religion, it's unavoidable that it's going to be a major influence in charitable projects.
Of course. And in an Islamic society where tithing is mandatory, the church virtually represents another government, complete with a taxation base.
Image
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing

"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC

"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness

"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/RantMode/Blurbs.html
Post Reply