No Freak Dancing aka Footloose Part Deuce

[Darth Wong]

In one the only harm is "The imaginary man in the sky is mad" and the other can lead to objectively measurable harm.

Yet again, you demonstrate your credentials as an utterly mindless right-wing apologist. Please, by all means, show us the "objectively measurable harm" caused by sexually suggestive dance moves. I would love to see your statistics, figures, and other hard data.

Or perhaps you could simply grow up enough to admit that you're just full of shit.

[Howedar]

We (Stormy included) know what's coming. Obviously premaritial sex is bad, as is the transmission of STDs. Of course, we all know what comes after that. The next person in the thread will point out that:
A. There is no evidence either way that this sort of dancing has any effect on the rates of such things.
B. Not only is there a lack of evidence, but the idea that schools and dances have any effect on horny kids having sex is laughable.
C. Even if they did, studies have shown (in journals and on this board) that abstinence-only programs in fact make things worse.

I don't know where you plan on going from here, Stormbringer. Down, I guess.

[Stormbringer]

C. Even if they did, studies have shown (in journals and on this board) that abstinence-only programs in fact make things worse.

I don't know where you plan on going from here, Stormbringer. Down, I guess.

When did I ever say I endorsed those? For the record I don't and believe a real education on that subject is necessary. (Though letting the fundies thin the herd through syphillis has a morbid appeal). Nor do I have a problem with pre-marital sex, so long as the parties are reasonably mature.

However I don't think the school has any real business encouraging or giving a tactic okay to minors for sexual activity. Freak dancing might not have any huge statistical corrolation to sex, and certainly there's no hard evidence out there for it, but it has no purpose but sexual suggestion. I fail to see any positive justification for it to be allowed, just a bunch of "How dare we repress a bunch of children's right to fuck." As if freak dancing is somehow key to a teenager's healthy development.

[Howedar]

Let's take away revealing clothing too.

[RogueIce]

Let's take away revealing clothing too.

To be fair, most schools I know that bother with enforcing a dress code tend to do that.

[Howedar]

Oh, I'm not talking about three-inch-long skirts. In many climates, there is no reason not to wear long sleeves and pants most of the year. Indeed, we could even make them a little baggy so that evil hateful things like nipples don't poke through. After all, other clothing has no purpose other than sexual suggestion. I fail to see any positive justification for it to be allowed, just a bunch of "How dare we repress a bunch of children's right to fuck." As if suggestive clothing is somehow key to a teenager's healthy development.

[RogueIce]

Oh, I'm not talking about three-inch-long skirts. In many climates, there is no reason not to wear long sleeves and pants most of the year. Indeed, we could even make them a little baggy so that evil hateful things like nipples don't poke through. After all, other clothing has no purpose other than sexual suggestion. I fail to see any positive justification for it to be allowed, just a bunch of "How dare we repress a bunch of children's right to fuck." As if suggestive clothing is somehow key to a teenager's healthy development.

Ah. I was thinking the no cleavage/middrif/mid-thigh shorts/skirts stuff.

Tight stuff has never seemed to be banned, AFAIK. Much to my dismay in the multi-grade level bus transfer station when the chubby fifth graders want to look like Britney.

[Durandal]

However I don't think the school has any real business encouraging or giving a tactic okay to minors for sexual activity. Freak dancing might not have any huge statistical corrolation to sex, and certainly there's no hard evidence out there for it, but it has no purpose but sexual suggestion.

In other words, it's a completely harmless activity, but it's bad because it's sexually suggestive? I'll let you in on another secret you seem to have missed out on in your teenage years: everything teenagers do revolves around being sexually suggestive, for fuck's sake.

Why do girls save up hundreds of dollars to spend on a prom dress they're going to wear once? Why do they spend hours getting their hair, nails and make-up done on prom night? To look beautiful. Why do they want to look beautiful? To be sexually desirable. Why do they sprinkle that fucking glitter on their chests, necks and shoulders? To draw attention to those places. Why do they want to draw attention to their chests, necks and shoulders? Gee, I wonder.

Looking beautiful serves no purpose but sexual suggestion. They don't go through all that trouble just for shits and giggles.

I fail to see any positive justification for it to be allowed, just a bunch of "How dare we repress a bunch of children's right to fuck." As if freak dancing is somehow key to a teenager's healthy development.

"Suppress children's right to fuck"? You just admitted that no evidence exists for "freak" dancing being correlated with sex actually occurring! And we're the ones who have been arguing that no such correlation exists!

Do you still think that this kind of dancing necessarily implies a promise of sex later on? Do you honestly believe that young boys and girls do it for this implied promise of sex? Hey moron, they do it because it's fun and invigorating.

As for the school tacitly condoning sex between minors, give me a break. The only thing they're tacitly condoning by allowing such dancing is guys going home and jerking off.

[Stormbringer]

Oh, I'm not talking about three-inch-long skirts. In many climates, there is no reason not to wear long sleeves and pants most of the year. Indeed, we could even make them a little baggy so that evil hateful things like nipples don't poke through. After all, other clothing has no purpose other than sexual suggestion. I fail to see any positive justification for it to be allowed, just a bunch of "How dare we repress a bunch of children's right to fuck." As if suggestive clothing is somehow key to a teenager's healthy development.

If you subscribe to the notion that school is meant to prepare one for the "real" working world then there's no good reason for ultra-skimpy or suggestive clothing either. Shit like that would get you fired at pretty much any respectable business.

One doesn't have to go between extremes you know. There is a vast area between hip huggers, thong and nipple tape and a burka. And school's should adhere to a reasonable dress code, and it's in the students best interest to get them used to the idea that there are certain standards of presentation and grooming.

[SirNitram]

And here I thought we were in the 21st century! No, no, we must be in the Puritans colony, where 'suggestive' dancing is clearly ungodly and must be forbidden.

And, of course, any clothing not long sleeved shirts and long pants/skirts must be, and I quote, 'hip huggers, thong and nipple tape'. Remember, admitting skin exists between the ankle and neck is a surefire way to Hellfire!

Gods fucking damn. And people wonder why I can't respect most Right Wingers these days.

[Howedar]

If you subscribe to the notion that school is meant to prepare one for the "real" working world then there's no good reason for ultra-skimpy or suggestive clothing either. Shit like that would get you fired at pretty much any respectable business.

School is meant to prepare one for real life. The working world is a facit of life, but is not life in its entirity. Unless you're now proposing that people hook up exclusively at work.

One doesn't have to go between extremes you know. There is a vast area between hip huggers, thong and nipple tape and a burka. And school's should adhere to a reasonable dress code, and it's in the students best interest to get them used to the idea that there are certain standards of presentation and grooming.

It's also in the students' best interest to prepare them for the rest of the real world, so that the first time they see someone in skimply clothing they don't have a nervous breakdown as you apparently do.

[salm]

why don´t these kids just tell the school to fuck off, organize their own parties and go dancing there? it´s not really worth going through the trouble of fighting brickminded narrowheads to allow one to dance like normal people. hell, there have to be teachers or other watchdogs who make sure that the kids don´t do the fun stuff.
just party elsewhere.
i mean if i understand correctly the prom and all that shit is of value to the schools in the US. so if students just boycotted theses parties and organized own parties several years in a row, wouldn´t that preassure the party wrecking principal to soften the rules?

damn, i´m glad that my school allowed dancing, kissing, fucking, drinking and smoking at school parties and didn´t make a big fuss about irrelevant crap.

[Stormbringer]

And here I thought we were in the 21st century! No, no, we must be in the Puritans colony, where 'suggestive' dancing is clearly ungodly and must be forbidden.

Yes, because dry humping on the dance floor at a school prom is clearly a vital necessity for their development.

And, of course, any clothing not long sleeved shirts and long pants/skirts must be, and I quote, 'hip huggers, thong and nipple tape'. Remember, admitting skin exists between the ankle and neck is a surefire way to Hellfire!

You know, it's idiots like you that because some one does not support your extreme they must be in favor of the exact opposite extreme, instead of say being moderate. I don't have a problem with reasonable shorts nor short sleeves, school isn't a board room. But for it to be a choice simply between the extreme is moronic.

Gods fucking damn. And people wonder why I can't respect most Right Wingers these days.

I don't actually. It's because you're as far to the left as the right wingers you so hysterically decry.

[Stormbringer]

School is meant to prepare one for real life. The working world is a facit of life, but is not life in its entirity. Unless you're now proposing that people hook up exclusively at work.

And few need much encouragement to fuck. School's certainly don't need to turn into meat lockers for students to go and "hook up." At best such things are a distraction from the far more important part of teaching the students and as often as not a simple no way around road block.

It's also in the students' best interest to prepare them for the rest of the real world, so that the first time they see someone in skimply clothing they don't have a nervous breakdown as you apparently do.

I don't and I've seen women in skimpy clothing and for that matter none. That doesn't mean either is appropriate for a learning environment.

[SirNitram]

And here I thought we were in the 21st century! No, no, we must be in the Puritans colony, where 'suggestive' dancing is clearly ungodly and must be forbidden.

Yes, because dry humping on the dance floor at a school prom is clearly a vital necessity for their development.

Nice strawman, kid. You need all day to make that one up? I'm mocking you and your fellow cavemen for your laughable statements. What's that thing repeated in opposition to all gun control?

You must show a good reason to ban something, not justify it being made free. We are not the Puritans.

And, of course, any clothing not long sleeved shirts and long pants/skirts must be, and I quote, 'hip huggers, thong and nipple tape'. Remember, admitting skin exists between the ankle and neck is a surefire way to Hellfire!

You know, it's idiots like you that because some one does not support your extreme they must be in favor of the exact opposite extreme, instead of say being moderate. I don't have a problem with reasonable shorts nor short sleeves, school isn't a board room. But for it to be a choice simply between the extreme is moronic.

You certainly seem to think so; you support this idiocy that, shock, if there's going to be sexually suggestive activity, it must be stopped. Of course you'll insist that school 'isn't the place for this', but like it or not, school is a social arena as well as an educational one. I'm sure you'll whine that the school has 'No need to be such..' but that means precisely dick.

Gods fucking damn. And people wonder why I can't respect most Right Wingers these days.

I don't actually. It's because you're as far to the left as the right wingers you so hysterically decry.

You're a laugh a minute, kiddo. Keep telling yourself the Mean Old Leftist is picking on you. Heaven forbid someone not endorse your stupid, Victorian era crap. They must be an Evil Commie!

[Howedar]

And few need much encouragement to fuck. School's certainly don't need to turn into meat lockers for students to go and "hook up." At best such things are a distraction from the far more important part of teaching the students and as often as not a simple no way around road block.

Why, because you say so?

I don't and I've seen women in skimpy clothing and for that matter none. That doesn't mean either is appropriate for a learning environment.

Why, because you say so?

[Durandal]

And few need much encouragement to fuck. School's certainly don't need to turn into meat lockers for students to go and "hook up." At best such things are a distraction from the far more important part of teaching the students and as often as not a simple no way around road block.

I wasn't aware there were lectures during school dances.

I don't and I've seen women in skimpy clothing and for that matter none. That doesn't mean either is appropriate for a learning environment.

I wasn't aware there were lectures during school dances.

Congratulations. You've managed to take a few people off into a red herring about what is appropriate at school during school time, a complete distraction from what is appropriate at dances, which are purely social functions.

[Illuminatus Primus]

However I don't think the school has any real business encouraging or giving a tactic okay to minors for sexual activity. Freak dancing might not have any huge statistical corrolation to sex, and certainly there's no hard evidence out there for it, but it has no purpose but sexual suggestion. I fail to see any positive justification for it to be allowed, just a bunch of "How dare we repress a bunch of children's right to fuck." As if freak dancing is somehow key to a teenager's healthy development.

Organized dances were originally simply displays of aristocratic wealth. Clearly proms and formals are making poor kids feel bad...

OR

All modern dancing (save for its origin above) is a courting/sexual behavior. The degree to which it is suggestive is not objective and quite obviously subjective puritan nonsense.

Why don't you just say you have your own arbitrary, subjective cultural tastes that exclude freak dancing?

[Darth Wong]

Stormbringer, in case you hadn't noticed, actual sex is already prohibited at these dances, and if the kids go somewhere to have sex later, the school has no jurisdiction over them. So what you're arguing about is not actual teen sex, but teen sexual excitement.

Do you know who else feels that sexual excitement should be banned? Oh yes, the FUCKING TALIBAN. But you know, if the goal is to make sure that kids don't see or do anything which is sexually arousing, why don't we just make the fucking girls wear bur'quas?

[J]

Or we could go to same sex only schools with all school staff being of the same sex as the students and refuse to organize inter-school activities. And even then there'll be sexual excitement since some students will be gay, lesbian, or bi.

[Wicked Pilot]

Concerning the OT, I think the principal's going about it all wrong. The best way to discourage the bump and grind is to bring in parents as chaperones and have them do the moves themselves in front of the students. That's the quickest, sure fire way of making anything uncool.

[Darth Wong]

Or we could go to same sex only schools with all school staff being of the same sex as the students and refuse to organize inter-school activities. And even then there'll be sexual excitement since some students will be gay, lesbian, or bi.

Ah yes, Catholic boarding schools

[Howedar]

And few need much encouragement to fuck. School's certainly don't need to turn into meat lockers for students to go and "hook up." At best such things are a distraction from the far more important part of teaching the students and as often as not a simple no way around road block.

I wasn't aware there were lectures during school dances.

I don't and I've seen women in skimpy clothing and for that matter none. That doesn't mean either is appropriate for a learning environment.

I wasn't aware there were lectures during school dances.

Congratulations. You've managed to take a few people off into a red herring about what is appropriate at school during school time, a complete distraction from what is appropriate at dances, which are purely social functions.

To be perfectly fair, I started it.

[Dark Hellion]

Not to bring more bad blood into this, but a school dance is not a right of students, but a privelege the school gives to them. While it is rather ridiculous to limit dance moves or clothing if the school wants to do so the children don't have much to stand on. It's the schools dance, not theirs and if they don't like it, they are in high school, they can go to Jimmy's when his parents are out of town and dance there. He'll let you get away with racier stuff and probably play better music anyways.

[White Haven]

Despite its intent, that's actually a pretty good point. By banning something like that, you're like to force it 'underground,' as it were, and to a time and place where you can exert no control at all.

The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin,
the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

Counterproductive, neh?