Lucas quotes on Ep 3 from Vanity Fair- SPOILERS

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-01-12 04:41am

About Episode III in general:

It's the missing link. Once it's there it's a complete
work, and I'm proud of theat. I do see it, tonality wise, as two
trilogies. But they do, together, form one epic of fathers and sons.

I'm not a great writer. I'm trying to tell a story using cinema, not
trying to write a great script. I use the script as a blue print.

On the rating:

I don't really mind a PG-13.

Anakins Birth

It was a virgin birth in an
ecosystem of symbiotic relationships. It means that between the Force,
which is sort of a life force, and reality, the connectors between
these two things are what we call midichlorians. They're kind of based
on mitochondria, which are a completely different species, a different
animal, that live inside every single cell and allow it to live, allow
it to repoduce, allow life to exist. They also, in their own way,
communicate with the Force itself. The more you have, the more your
cells are able to speak intuitively to the Force itself and use the
powers of the force. Ultimatly, I would say the Force itself created
Anakin.

About Hayden's acting in AOTC

Poor Hayden. His perfomance is great. They just don't like the character.

About Anakin in general

You basically get somebody who's going to make a
pact with the Devil, a pact that says 'I want the power to save
somebody from death. I want to be able to stop them from going to the
river Styx, and I need a god for that, but the gods won't do it, so I'm
going to go down to Hades and get the Dark Lord to allow me to have
this power that will allow me to save the very person I want to hang on
to.'
Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely
powerful. But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly
a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, alot of his powers,
are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there's not that
much of him left.
So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now
he's maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor.
So that isn't what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really
super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with
Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the Dark
Side.

Well, I guess that proves he loses a leg in ROTS.

Vader

You learn that Vader isn't this monster. He's a pathetic
individual who made a pact with the Devil and lost. And he's trapped.
He's a sad, pathetic character, not an evil big monster.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-01-12 04:45am

I like how he conceded he isn't that great of a writer, yet that begs the question: if he knows that about himself, why exactly DIDN'T he hire someone else to handle script affairs, like he did for ESB, and ROTJ?

I like what he says about Anakin.

You know, there isn't anything really spoilerific.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2005-01-12 04:55am

I don't really mind a PG-13.

I guess this means no M rated Ep3? Damn.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2005-01-12 05:06am

Vympel wrote:About Episode III in general:

It's the missing link. Once it's there it's a complete
work, and I'm proud of theat. I do see it, tonality wise, as two
trilogies. But they do, together, form one epic of fathers and sons.

I'm not a great writer. I'm trying to tell a story using cinema, not
trying to write a great script. I use the script as a blue print.

*snicker*

On the rating:

I don't really mind a PG-13.

Oh, but you do mind Greedo shooting first....

Anakins Birth

It was a virgin birth in an
ecosystem of symbiotic relationships. It means that between the Force,
which is sort of a life force, and reality, the connectors between
these two things are what we call midichlorians. They're kind of based
on mitochondria, which are a completely different species, a different
animal, that live inside every single cell and allow it to live, allow
it to repoduce, allow life to exist. They also, in their own way,
communicate with the Force itself. The more you have, the more your
cells are able to speak intuitively to the Force itself and use the
powers of the force. Ultimatly, I would say the Force itself created
Anakin.

*snicker again* And this is why we pay attention to what George says, right?

About Hayden's acting in AOTC

Poor Hayden. His perfomance is great. They just don't like the character.

I repeat: *snicker*

About Anakin in general

You basically get somebody who's going to make a
pact with the Devil, a pact that says 'I want the power to save
somebody from death. I want to be able to stop them from going to the
river Styx, and I need a god for that, but the gods won't do it, so I'm
going to go down to Hades and get the Dark Lord to allow me to have
this power that will allow me to save the very person I want to hang on
to.'
Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely
powerful. But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly
a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, alot of his powers,
are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there's not that
much of him left.
So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now
he's maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor.
So that isn't what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really
super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with
Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the Dark
Side.
Well, I guess that proves he loses a leg in ROTS.

This is interesting from a quantiative viewpoint because it gives us a vague idea of the power-level relationships of the different characters (Anakin pre-Vader, Anakin post-Vader, the Emperor, and Luke.) Although I'm not sure if I like the implication that Luke can do some of the super-wank things Anakin did in say, ,AOTC (although thats probably comparable to alot of the things Luke has done in the EU, ironically enough.)

On the other hand, this suggests that "Full power" Anakin should also be able to create Palpatine-grade Force Storms and cloud the minds of millions/billions of people... which relaly is rather comic-bookish.

It also suggest Palpatine shoudl be capable of the same magnitude of abilities Anakin could do.
Vader

You learn that Vader isn't this monster. He's a pathetic
individual who made a pact with the Devil and lost. And he's trapped.
He's a sad, pathetic character, not an evil big monster.

I suppose one could make a joke about Hayden playing Anakin from this

Meest · Post by **Meest** » 2005-01-12 05:11am

Wonder if Anakin really loses another arm and leg from actual sabre injuries or just irrecoverable from his fall into lava or whatever injuries. Can't see how Anakin can even come across as being somewhat powerfull if he gets manhandled by Obi-wan lopping off stuff, always thought Obi-wan just kinda dodges a bullet and tricks Anakin in a sense.

Spiritbw · Post by **Spiritbw** » 2005-01-12 05:30am

I like how he conceded he isn't that great of a writer, yet that begs the question: if he knows that about himself, why exactly DIDN'T he hire someone else to handle script affairs, like he did for ESB, and ROTJ?

Probably because he bought into the idea that he was the great infallible Lucas. He's a diffrent man from when he first wrote and directed ANH unfortunalty not a better one though. I think after the general reaction to AOTC he's finally getting the idea of what he's done.

About Hayden's acting in AOTC

Poor Hayden. His perfomance is great. They just don't like the character.

I repeat: *snicker*

Ditto.

Unless of course Anakin is suppose to act as stiff as a board, have only two expressions and talk in really ackward sentances that sound like they were rehersed.

Anakins Birth

It was a virgin birth in an
ecosystem of symbiotic relationships. It means that between the Force,
which is sort of a life force, and reality, the connectors between
these two things are what we call midichlorians. They're kind of based
on mitochondria, which are a completely different species, a different
animal, that live inside every single cell and allow it to live, allow
it to repoduce, allow life to exist. They also, in their own way,
communicate with the Force itself. The more you have, the more your
cells are able to speak intuitively to the Force itself and use the
powers of the force. Ultimatly, I would say the Force itself created
Anakin

Lucas or anyone with his companies, if your reading this just one thing. let it die man, let it die! For the love of all that's holy let this one thing slip through the cracks and beforgotten forever more.

On the rating:

Quote:
I don't really mind a PG-13.

Oh, but you do mind Greedo shooting first....

Let's not get on that, it's a rant in itself though I agree with your sentiment.

You learn that Vader isn't this monster. He's a pathetic
individual who made a pact with the Devil and lost. And he's trapped.
He's a sad, pathetic character, not an evil big monster.

I suppose one could make a joke about Hayden playing Anakin from this

No comment.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-01-12 06:55am

Bah. Hayden get's panned for no good reason, IMO. I actually liked his performance.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-01-12 07:16am

Stofsk wrote:Bah. Hayden get's panned for no good reason, IMO. I actually liked his performance.

I agree, people criticize for his performance as a whiny brat when in fact that's the kind of person Anakin Skywalker is supposed to be. I think there's a good chance he'll get better reviews in ROTS

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-01-12 07:26am

I certainly didn´t mind his performance, something which I dreaded up to the premiere of AOTC. However, he´s right in the "didn´t like character"-department. I think Anakin as a character is interesting, but I just don´t like him.

I think there's a good chance he'll get better reviews in ROTS

Because he goes from whiny brat to psychotic killer (= increased sales

)

And the midis are heading for a comeback in ROTS, if rumors are true. The explanation here is actually better than my view of it. The Force exist outside reality, and is not generated by life, only felt by it. I think this changes Yoda´s line "Life creates it, makes it grow", in that instead of taking it literally, it could be interpreted as a more abstract way of saying "the more midis you have, the better you "hear" The Force".

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-01-12 07:33am

Actually I empathise with Anakin along with Luke, more so than any other character in Star Wars. Sure they're whiny... but who isn't? And the point is they change and grow.

Spiritbw · Post by **Spiritbw** » 2005-01-12 07:37am

Darth Fanboy wrote:
Stofsk wrote:Bah. Hayden get's panned for no good reason, IMO. I actually liked his performance.
I agree, people criticize for his performance as a whiny brat when in fact that's the kind of person Anakin Skywalker is supposed to be. I think there's a good chance he'll get better reviews in ROTS

It wasn't that he was whiney, it's that his performance is well...wooden. Alot of times it seems a bit forced to me at least. It's like every emotion he is showing is being squeezed out of him with great reluctance.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-01-12 07:49am

Did this because I have no life, and I felt like being a Midi-apologist today:

http://img92.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img92&im ... rks8wn.jpg

They are a lifeform, not The Force itself. They do not degrade the spiritual aspect of The Force.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2005-01-12 07:52am

Spiritbw wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:
Stofsk wrote:Bah. Hayden get's panned for no good reason, IMO. I actually liked his performance.
I agree, people criticize for his performance as a whiny brat when in fact that's the kind of person Anakin Skywalker is supposed to be. I think there's a good chance he'll get better reviews in ROTS
It wasn't that he was whiney, it's that his performance is well...wooden. Alot of times it seems a bit forced to me at least. It's like every emotion he is showing is being squeezed out of him with great reluctance.

That is an excellent observation. I can't even watch the scene where he is just returning from the sand people camp. (What the hell happened there? I want to see that in the extended edition) so terrible was his acting. And when he is expressing emotion when talking to amidala, expressing his "Love" for her, it's like he's trying to beat his words into her with a baseball bat. He has all the acting ability of my left testicle. but, he is anakin, he IS vader. Maybe when he actually gets to be a mean asshole (in vader) it'll sit on my stomach a little better.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-01-12 07:54am

I disagree. Hayden captured the right kind of emotions in his acting after he came back from the Sandpeople camp.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2005-01-12 07:59am

Stofsk wrote:I disagree. Hayden captured the right kind of emotions in his acting after he came back from the Sandpeople camp.

Oh, don't get me wrong, the emotions were there. He was TRYING his ass off. But when I heard it, saw it, it was like he was trying to juice a chunk of stainless steel with a garlic press, if you take my meaning. I just didn't FEEL like he was sincerely expressing conflicted emotions of rage, sadness, shame, exhaustion, etc. I felt like he was really reciting lines with faked emotion. Maybe it was just me.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-01-12 08:03am

Interesting thing about the "garage scene", apparantly Lucas and Hayden had an argument on how to approach Anakin´s behaviour. Lucas wanted him to be cold and emotionless until the very end, where he would break down. Hayden wanted him to break down at the very beginning and take it from there. In the end, they sorta compromised and we got a "middle-breakdown". Wonder what would have happened with the other two alternatives.

conflicted emotions of rage, sadness, shame, exhaustion, etc.

That´s a tough act to combine for any actor.

Spiritbw · Post by **Spiritbw** » 2005-01-12 08:09am

VT-16 wrote:
conflicted emotions of rage, sadness, shame, exhaustion, etc.
That´s a tough act to combine for any actor.

Very true, but it wasn't just that scene. It seemed to go through the whole movie that way. Don't get me wrong, he seemed to be honestly trying. He just did seem to be pulling it off at least to me and that ment the result was off. It didn't help that the script was rather stilted in spots too so it's not entirely his fault.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-01-12 08:26am

The spoiler is Anakin losing limbs. That's pretty much it. And I'll say this now- Obi-Wan will not have an easy time of it, even if he does win in the end.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2005-01-12 04:39pm

Actually, yeah on reflection the midicholorians aren't nearly as bad a problem as I thought.. but its still pretty goofy.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-12 04:52pm

I think we all had the whole 'lose a limb = lose force power' discussion on this very forum a few times, and IIRC I think I was saying that it was true ...

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2005-01-12 05:00pm

I'm not a big fan of the idea. Does that mean you can get more powerful by getting fat?

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-12 05:02pm

Howedar wrote:I'm not a big fan of the idea. Does that mean you can get more powerful by getting fat?

Maybe the midi's are only in muscle cells

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2005-01-12 05:02pm

Howedar wrote:I'm not a big fan of the idea. Does that mean you can get more powerful by getting fat?

Why do you think mind trick's didnt work on Jabba? He was a sith lord all along.

Just you wait till his lightsaber battle with yoda in Ep3.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-01-12 05:04pm

I didn't really care for Hayden's acting, but I blame more of it on the script really. The dialogue they selected just really... blah.

"It's not FAIR!"

I thought the garage scene was pretty much his best scene, actually. It was the one part where I actually viewed him as a character and not as an actor trying to emote.

I could forgive the stiltedness of the love scenes on the basis of neither of them having any clue about relationships, but overall... it just didn't work that well for me.

I just watched AotC again last week, first time since it came out, and I was like 'Wow, this is worse than I remembered.' The Geonosis jedi slaughter was ghastly.

Makes me nervous about RotS. I want it to rock so badly and make up for the sins of the first two.

"And then Yoda circled the arena in a Blackhawk helicopter, declaring 'The smell of napalm in the morning, I love. Victory, it smells like.' This was extremely confusing to me, because nothing in the previous context of the scene indicated that it was morning."*

Edit- *is a quote from a joke review I read shortly after the movie came out. Not my work, though I wish it was.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2005-01-12 05:18pm

Crown wrote:
Howedar wrote:I'm not a big fan of the idea. Does that mean you can get more powerful by getting fat?

Maybe the midi's are only in muscle cells

Okay, Jedi Master Ahnold (early 80s Ahnold of course).

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