Star Crossed Fanfic

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-11 04:01pm

Heretic!

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-11-11 04:05pm

BLASPHEMER!!! KILL HIM!

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-11 04:08pm

Crazy_Vasey wrote:I like the shadowfleet. Feds with balls.

Oh and if Thrawn gets killed then I for one will not be complaining. I never liked the guy, smacked of author egotrip to me the way Zahn wrote him at times.

You should read Fist of the Empire for your first comment, and be shot a dawn for the second one.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-11 04:09pm

Crazy_Vasey wrote:I like the shadowfleet. Feds with balls.

And here I thought the two terms were mutually exclusive.

Oh and if Thrawn gets killed then I for one will not be complaining.

I agree to an extent. It better be spectacular, and he must take no less than two-thirds of the remaining enemies with him.

I never liked the guy, smacked of author egotrip to me the way Zahn wrote him at times.

He's better than KJA and Kyp Durron.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-11-11 04:12pm

That's like saying someones not as much of a genocidal maniac as Hitler or Stalin.

Lex · Post by **Lex** » 2002-11-11 04:19pm

i like thrawn!! and i need more!!! any rumors about the next champter yet?

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-11-11 05:46pm

Crazy_Vasey wrote:I like the shadowfleet. Feds with balls.

Oh and if Thrawn gets killed then I for one will not be complaining. I never liked the guy, smacked of author egotrip to me the way Zahn wrote him at times.

You die now.

And Stravo, Thrawn does not die. He DOES NOT DIE DO YOU HEAR ME?!?!?!?!?!

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-11 06:08pm

IG-88E wrote:
Crazy_Vasey wrote:I like the shadowfleet. Feds with balls.
And here I thought the two terms were mutually exclusive.

Oh and if Thrawn gets killed then I for one will not be complaining.
I agree to an extent. It better be spectacular, and he must take no less than two-thirds of the remaining enemies with him.

His remaining enemies may not mass less then 250 billion tons

ViciousMink · Post by **ViciousMink** » 2002-11-11 07:33pm

Stravo, I understand what you intended regarding the violence/gore/semi-quasi-pseudo-explicit material in the fic.

You *have* been using such sparingly, which probably made it all the more shocking when Adare went all 'Reservoir Feds' on that Imp officer.

Also, when you said 'The shadowfleet are patriots,' I was reminded of the movie Swordfish, arguably John Travolta's only worthwhile and decent role in recent years.

Your presentation of the irony of these crashing boors protecting the Federation in ways that it publically demonizes is subtle and appropriate.

You make a good point regarding the CIA and NSA (especially with the US military introducing Carnivore/Echelon II). In a sense, though, the mere existence and flourishing (even in *canon*) of an organization like S.31 makes the Federation all the more distasteful for me; all their high ideals, all their high standards, are all false. It makes Riker shouting, 'We're better than that!' sad; the characters in Star Trek are living a lie. This, I think, is the most horrendous and vicious act of literary murder that B&B could have committed. Putting aside the question of the actual possibility and validity of a society such as the NextGen Federation, it says that there is no way that such a society can exist without resorting to underhanded, dirty tricks that such a society supposedly turns it's back on.

It's a level of dishonesty that, if you think about it, is simply staggering. I have no doubts that the CIA and NSA do that sort of thing; US involvement in interference in sovereign nations is well-documented. But I guess that, in the modern US at least, it's acknowledged that it exists. The Federation really doesn't have that. The first reaction of everyone who learns about S.31 says, 'Oh, that's impossible, such an agency can't and shouldn't exist! The Federation wouldn't do such a thing!' (Conversely, the reaction of most US citizens when confronted with the dirty deads of the NSA and CIA is, usually, 'Yeah, they're spooks, and they've done some pretty damn bad things.' Which in and of itself boggles the mind.) That a society doesn't want to 'get its hands dirty' is too bad; a society has to acknowledge and accept what is done in it's name, or it must take measures to ensure that such is not done in it's name. If that means giving up on certain tenets of belief and ways of life, then society has a really hard decision to make: in this case, the Federation as a whole would have to accept that 'the price of freedom is eternal (preemptive) vigilance,' or it would have to take measures that an agency such as S.31 should not *need* to exist. Either way, it means an end to the utopia.

Sorry for the rambling here.

The point is, I'm not arguing anything against what you've written, in fact I think you've been having a very appropriate presentation of how organizations such as the Shadowfleet, S.31, and the Vulcan... uhm... whatever-they-are (conspiracies without a name are even more scary!

) would function.

Hey, Picard should be the conscience of the Shadowfleet. Whatever happened to him?

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-11 07:40pm

ViciousMink wrote:Hey, Picard should be the conscience of the Shadowfleet. Whatever happened to him?

He's busy trying to talk sense into the Gorn and Tholians.

ViciousMink · Post by **ViciousMink** » 2002-11-11 10:25pm

IG-88E wrote:
ViciousMink wrote:Hey, Picard should be the conscience of the Shadowfleet. Whatever happened to him?
He's busy trying to talk sense into the Gorn and Tholians.

Oh, that's right, I forgot about that. Guess that last chapter just blew me away too much.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-11 11:41pm

LOL, yeah. Stravo's writing can do that.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-12 03:40am

Transphasic torpedoes are not an ace in the hole.

D.Turtle · Post by **D.Turtle** » 2002-11-12 08:53am

The Shadowfleet doesn't know that.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2002-11-12 12:30pm

D.Turtle wrote:The Shadowfleet doesn't know that.

You have learned much young one.....

Lex · Post by **Lex** » 2002-11-12 12:48pm

stravo i need more!!!

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-12 01:21pm

Everyone wants more Fanfic but only certian people get to read the roughy copy the day before its posted

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-12 01:30pm

damm, you make me jealous bean..

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2002-11-12 01:39pm

damm, you make me jealous bean..

You should have criticized Star Crossed more, Necron. Bean probably got this priviledge because Stravo has the impression that he is the authority when it comes to canon figures here

Or he's just posturing in case he doesn't get to read the next chapter first, so that he can say he read the rough copy beforehand anyways

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-12 01:54pm

Mr Bean wrote:Everyone wants more Fanfic but only certian people get to read the roughy copy the day before its posted

I'M NOT LISTENING! LA, LA LA LA, LA LAAAAAAH!!

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-11-12 02:24pm

hmmm Shadow Fleet attacks Thrawns fleet when info is tiopped to them that more Imperials are inbound*L* Vader meets the head of the Shadow Fleet

Lex · Post by **Lex** » 2002-11-12 02:40pm

spoiler warning?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-12 03:49pm

Nope he does not recive a pre-relase editoral comment verison

I should know

Lex · Post by **Lex** » 2002-11-12 03:50pm

argh i think he wants us to be envy!!!

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-12 03:52pm

PeZook wrote:
damm, you make me jealous bean..
You should have criticized Star Crossed more, Necron. Bean probably got this priviledge because Stravo has the impression that he is the authority when it comes to canon figures here

Or he's just posturing in case he doesn't get to read the next chapter first, so that he can say he read the rough copy beforehand anyways

Ahhh who cares