Iraq war worth it even if no WMD found: Bush

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2005-01-12 09:23pm

http://www.smh.com.au/news/After-Saddam ... 00387.html

...the United Nations thought he (Saddam Hussein) had weapons of mass destruction, ...

What a lying, sack of shit.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-01-12 09:26pm

You don't actually expect him to admit that he and his administration made a mistake did you? But hey at least the Iraqi's are free now........... free to be cut down in a crossfire between rebels and coalition troops.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-01-12 10:06pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:You don't actually expect him to admit that he and his administration made a mistake did you? But hey at least the Iraqi's are free now........... free to be cut down in a crossfire between rebels and coalition troops.

They're living the American dream and will die knowing they've been touched by a greater good.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2005-01-12 10:10pm

Let's hear it for the Ministry of Truth!

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-01-12 10:12pm

...the United Nations thought he (Saddam Hussein) had weapons of mass destruction, ...

How can he say that without throwing up. I mean seriously, you led your country into war on a false premise, cost the lives of thousands of Iraqis and American servicemen, and he justifies it with "greater good" bullshit? Where was this greater good when he was first making his case to the American people, was he hiding it?

Brian

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » 2005-01-12 10:12pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Cpl Kendall wrote:You don't actually expect him to admit that he and his administration made a mistake did you? But hey at least the Iraqi's are free now........... free to be cut down in a crossfire between rebels and coalition troops.
They're living the American dream and will die knowing they've been touched by a greater good.

Touched in ways and places that will have them in counseling for decades.

Meest · Post by **Meest** » 2005-01-12 10:31pm

brianeyci wrote:
...the United Nations thought he (Saddam Hussein) had weapons of mass destruction, ...
How can he say that without throwing up. I mean seriously, you led your country into war on a false premise, cost the lives of thousands of Iraqis and American servicemen, and he justifies it with "greater good" bullshit? Where was this greater good when he was first making his case to the American people, was he hiding it?

Brian

Pretty easy to lie when it's raking in billions for your family. What's a bunch of "evil" Middle eastern people compared to continuing your family line for hundreds of years to come.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2005-01-12 10:39pm

is he on the same planet as the rest of us?

its a 1984 flunkie, I swear.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-01-12 10:39pm

Well, at least he's consistent.

Oh wait, he isn't.

If there truly is a hell, there's a padded seat for him in it.

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2005-01-12 10:46pm

Im gonna say it again, bush wanted OIL! Oil for them soccer-moms to drive there SUV's.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2005-01-12 11:13pm

yep, Im seeing those oil prices droppin.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » 2005-01-12 11:41pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:yep, Im seeing those oil prices droppin.

Why would an oil man want oil prices to DROP?

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2005-01-12 11:45pm

Can we please impeach him now???

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2005-01-12 11:51pm

Dennis Toy wrote:Im gonna say it again, bush wanted OIL! Oil for them soccer-moms to drive there SUV's.

Yeah, it would be way easier to invade a country than to just lift the sanctions

Post by **weemadando** » 2005-01-13 12:00am

Howedar wrote:
Dennis Toy wrote:Im gonna say it again, bush wanted OIL! Oil for them soccer-moms to drive there SUV's.
Yeah, it would be way easier to invade a country than to just lift the sanctions :roll:

I maintain to this day that Dubya suffers from an ENORMOUS Oepidus complex.

Daddy couldn't oust Saddam, but I did mommy! Please- love me mother!

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2005-01-13 12:05am

Howedar wrote:
Dennis Toy wrote:Im gonna say it again, bush wanted OIL! Oil for them soccer-moms to drive there SUV's.
Yeah, it would be way easier to invade a country than to just lift the sanctions

It's easier on the national pride. The administration's pride, I mean.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2005-01-13 12:09am

Shinova wrote:
Howedar wrote:
Dennis Toy wrote:Im gonna say it again, bush wanted OIL! Oil for them soccer-moms to drive there SUV's.
Yeah, it would be way easier to invade a country than to just lift the sanctions

It's easier on the national pride. The administration's pride, I mean.

And a lot more dangerous politcally. Especially when you're fighting another war already.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2005-01-13 12:34am

Invading Iraq for oil is a valid hypothesis. Not to access the oil, it was always accessable. But to control it. Saddam stopped being a stooge of the US government around the end of the Iran-Iraq war, marking the end of his usefulness. George Bush [this Presidents father] thought he could get rid of Saddam by manoeuvring him into invading Kuwait, allowing him to form a coalition which could legitemately kill Saddam's regieme. This is all about controlling oil, they all fucking knew Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Al Quaeda or terrorism. And EVERYONE knew Saddam had no WMDs. The fucking UN was telling us that for years! Why would it lie?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2005-01-13 01:13am

BoredShirtless wrote:Invading Iraq for oil is a valid hypothesis. Not to access the oil, it was always accessable. But to control it.

Again, it's not impossible but its a hell of a gamble to start an unpopular war against internation opinion, and with another war ungoing, just to get oil. Big claims require big proof.

BoredShirtless wrote:Saddam stopped being a stooge of the US government around the end of the Iran-Iraq war, marking the end of his usefulness. George Bush [this Presidents father] thought he could get rid of Saddam by manoeuvring him into invading Kuwait, allowing him to form a coalition which could legitemately kill Saddam's regieme.

Never mind that Saddam was being a good client dictator and mistakenly thought the US approved or at least didn't care. Needless to say that was wrong indeed.

And Bush Sr was not about to "get rid of" Saddam nor kill his regime. After all, did he wish to he could have easily enough during the Gulf War. Instead he didn't and even (in an appalling move) withdrew US support for a popular coup against Saddam Hussien.

So if you wish to claim such a scenario, go ahead, prove it.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2005-01-13 02:03am

Bush Sr said in his memoirs (or was it another book?) that he didn't invade Iraq and take out Saddam because the costs that would have been involved were more than he considered worth it. Anyone have the exact quote?

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2005-01-13 02:17am

Stormbringer wrote: Again, it's not impossible but its a hell of a gamble to start an unpopular war against internation opinion, and with another war ungoing, just to get oil. Big claims require big proof.

The proof is simple: the case for invading Iraq was based on evidence known to be inflated, trumpt up or flat out wrong. Colin Powell's infamous UN presentation was debunked mere hours after his delivering it.

As for starting an unpopular war against international opinion, Bush did it anyways, whether for oil or WMD's, so that's a point already proven invalid. Since we know what the war was NOT about (war on terror, WMD's) all that is left is the oil, unless you want to say that Bush simply randomly decided to invade a nation with a dictator (skipping over dozens of other countries in Africa with far worse regimes that would have been easier conflicts to win).

BoredShirtless wrote: And Bush Sr was not about to "get rid of" Saddam nor kill his regime. After all, did he wish to he could have easily enough during the Gulf War. Instead he didn't and even (in an appalling move) withdrew US support for a popular coup against Saddam Hussien.

Yet he promised that support didn't he? Bush changed his mind because he felt that he couldn't sustain support for a popular revolution and the inevitable occupation by US troops that would follow (unless you really think the Kurds could have stabalized the situation on their own) which is exactly why it was such a stupid idea for us to invade Iraq today. The same motive was there, but Bush Sr. was just a bit smarter than his idiot son.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2005-01-13 02:29am

I'd love to see this asshole impeached. It would make his re-election almost worth it, just to see him expelled from office in disgrace.

Macross · Post by **Macross** » 2005-01-13 04:27am

Galvatron wrote:I'd love to see this asshole impeached. It would make his re-election almost worth it, just to see him expelled from office in disgrace.

We should compose a letter to send to our Senators and Congressman asking them to do just that. I know it wont do any good, but at the very least it would make me feel better.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-13 05:32am

Howedar wrote:
Dennis Toy wrote:Im gonna say it again, bush wanted OIL! Oil for them soccer-moms to drive there SUV's.
Yeah, it would be way easier to invade a country than to just lift the sanctions

Um, lifting the sanctions doesn't guarrantee that he gets the oil, all it means is that there is another Arab nation who might sell it to him ...

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2005-01-13 07:08am

Chmee wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:yep, Im seeing those oil prices droppin.
Why would an oil man want oil prices to DROP?

Probably they would stockpile *every* pint of oil to drive a price increase. Of course, if all else fails, they could always choose more inventive, product-repackaging options like marketing the oil as masturbating lubricants.