Ships of Star Wars: Rebellion

montypython · Post by **montypython** » 2005-01-15 01:13pm

One thing that I've wondered about is how the ships used in Rebellion fit into the overall EU, as they aren't mentioned often, if at all, in the various novels and stories. How would this work?

Post by **RogueIce** » 2005-01-15 02:56pm

I don't see too much of a problem with the general design of them (the starts are something else...how do you fit 72 fighters into that Liberator deal?)...except the Godawful Bulwark Battlecruiser. Eeeyuck.

Back to the topic at hand: I always kinda figured the Dauntless could be a Mon Cal design of some sort. And the Assault Frigate was mentioned in Isard's Revenge and possibly somewhere else as well (though IIRC the description didn't match the "new and improved" Dreadnaught of the game). Correllian Gunships are in the EU as well I believe, as are the Alliance Escort Carriers (aka Quasar Fire carriers). The Imperial carriers are from XvT (at least that's the first I came across them), not sure if there's been a good description of them in the EU or not. I have never heard of the CC-7700 or CC-9600 Frigates outside of that game. Star Galleaons were mentioned in Dark Force Rising and I suppose the Galleaon could just be an older version of that, though I never heard of it in the EU. The Bulk Frigate is the Modular Action IV or whatever that thing is, it's in the EGTVV.

Aw fuck it, lemme try to make a list:

Rebels
Correllian Corvette - EU and the movies
Mon Cal Cruiser - EU and the movies
Nebulon-B Frigate - EU and the movies
Alliance Dreadnaught - EU
Alliance Escort Carrier - EU (Quasar Fire)
Assault Frigate - EU (mentioned in Isard's Revenge, but I think the description is different)
Bulk Cruiser - EU and movies (well, they mention Bulk Cruisers, but AFAIK there's no real description to match the one we see in the game)
Bulwark Battlecruiser - SWR only (For the love of God I hope I never see the flying half-whale anywhere else)
Bulk Transport - EU (it's the Modular Action IV Transport, aka the Wild Karrde)
Correllian Gunship - Not too sure, I think they're in the EU though
CC-9600 Frigate - SWR only
CC-7700 Frigate - SWR only
Dauntless Frigate - SWR only (never seen in EU, but I guess it could be a Mon Cal design of some sort)
Liberator Cruiser - SWR only
Medium Transport - EU and movies (remember the Hoth transports? These are them)
X-wing - If you need to ask you are not a Star Wars fan
Y-wing - If you need to ask you are not a Star Wars fan
A-wing - EU and movies
B-wing - EU and movies

Empire
Assault Transport - EU (also in games, though I don't recall this particular design before)
Carrack light Cruiser - EU
Imperial Dreadnaught - EU (basically the same thing as the Alliance version)
Death Star - If you need to ask you are not a Star Wars fan
Imperial Escort Carrier - LA Games only (AFAIK, I've never heard of this particular "carrier egg" design before)
Galleon - SWR only (AFAIK, though it could be the younger brother of the EU Star Galleon)
Interdictor Cruiser - EU
Lancer Frigate - EU
Star Galleon - EU (mentioned in Dark Force Rising)
Imperial Star Destroyer - If you need to ask you are not a Star Wars fan
Imperial Star Destroyer II - If you need to ask you are not a Star Wars fan
Super Star Destroyer - If you need to ask you are not a Star Wars fan
Strike Cruiser - EU
TIE Fighter - if you need to ask you are not a star wars fan
TIE Interceptor - EU and movies
TIE Bomber - EU and movies
TIE Defender - EU
Victory Star Destroyer - EU
Victory Star Destroyer II - EU

There you go. This is to the best of my knowledge.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2005-01-15 03:03pm

RogueIce wrote:
[*]Bulk Cruiser - EU and movies (well, they mention Bulk Cruisers, but AFAIK there's no real description to match the one we see in the game)

if you have the DVD you can also see one at the battle of endor

Post by **RogueIce** » 2005-01-15 03:10pm

wautd wrote:
RogueIce wrote:
[*]Bulk Cruiser - EU and movies (well, they mention Bulk Cruisers, but AFAIK there's no real description to match the one we see in the game)

if you have the DVD you can also see one at the battle of endor

Does that make that SWR design canon then?

montypython · Post by **montypython** » 2005-01-15 03:26pm

Thanks, that helps. The Bulwark was a strange looking design indeed.

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2005-01-15 03:36pm

I believe the Assault Frigate also appeared in Darksaber, I think it was part of one of the ships that were sent to intercept the superweapon.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2005-01-15 03:50pm

The Assault Frigate was in Heir to the Empire.

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2005-01-15 03:59pm

The Assault Frigate was also seen in The Thrawn books/comics.
(crap you beat me to it)

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-01-15 04:22pm

wautd wrote:
RogueIce wrote:
[*]Bulk Cruiser - EU and movies (well, they mention Bulk Cruisers, but AFAIK there's no real description to match the one we see in the game)

if you have the DVD you can also see one at the battle of endor

Oooh, which scene?

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2005-01-15 04:31pm

The assault frigates are detailed in the Rebel Alliance Sourcebook, Second Edition, and were mentioned in Heir to the Empire in the first scene of the novel. The Imperial escort carriers are a KDY design featured in the Imperial Sourcebook, Second Edition, as are the Star Galleon-class frigate. The CC-7700 interdictor frigate is mentioned in passing in The Essential Chronology as part of the last known appearance of the incompetent FADM Daala (p. 137), and is naturally mentioned again in Daala's biography in The New Essential Guide to Characters.

PUBLIUS

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2005-01-15 04:44pm

VT-16 wrote:
wautd wrote:
RogueIce wrote:
[*]Bulk Cruiser - EU and movies (well, they mention Bulk Cruisers, but AFAIK there's no real description to match the one we see in the game)

if you have the DVD you can also see one at the battle of endor
Oooh, which scene?

IIRC (cant check right now, a friend got them right now):
in the beginning of the scene when the falcon followed by rebels fighters do a flyby next to the capships and go to warp to endor. It'll go fast but if you skip frame by frame you can see it somewhere in the left.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-01-15 05:09pm

Assault Frigates were in Heir to the Empire and in Darksaber. Wedge Antilles commanded an Assault frigate IRC during the wargames with Admiral Ackbar.

Corellian Gunships I believe are mentioned in the Truce at Bakura

I always used the Dauntless and Bulwarks as replacements for the larger Mon Cal ships. I dont like how SWR treated the Mon Cal Cruiser, so I make a Dauntless and Call it Home One. Bulwarks too expensive for my tastes, much rather have a dozen dreadnaughts or something like that.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2005-01-15 05:57pm

Imperial Star Destroyer II - If you need to ask you are not a Star Wars fan

Isn't that a little Harsh? Sure everyone knows ISDs but cusual might not know there's more than one version. It's not excatly blatantly obvious.

Adun · Post by **Adun** » 2005-01-15 06:30pm

Isn't that a little Harsh? Sure everyone knows ISDs but cusual might not know there's more than one version. It's not excatly blatantly obvious.

Yeah, they all look the same.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-01-15 07:08pm

CC-7700 or CC-9600 Are mentioned in the Corrilian trilogy, I believe. the interdictors were used at least i beleive, but I'm not sure

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2005-01-15 08:48pm

Isolder74 wrote:CC-7700 or CC-9600 Are mentioned in the Corrilian trilogy, I believe. the interdictors were used at least i beleive, but I'm not sure

Not that I'm aware of. The CC-7700 and CC-9600 are Rebellion-specific designs, insofar as I am aware.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-01-15 10:11pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:CC-7700 or CC-9600 Are mentioned in the Corrilian trilogy, I believe. the interdictors were used at least i beleive, but I'm not sure
Not that I'm aware of. The CC-7700 and CC-9600 are Rebellion-specific designs, insofar as I am aware.

The Corrielian faction uses some kind of interditor ship the model is not mentioned

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2005-01-15 10:38pm

wautd wrote:if you have the DVD you can also see (a Bulk Cruiser) at the battle of endor

There's no indication to my knowledge that that's what that ship is. It could easily be a Calamari design.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2005-01-15 10:46pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:
wautd wrote:if you have the DVD you can also see (a Bulk Cruiser) at the battle of endor
There's no indication to my knowledge that that's what that ship is. It could easily be a Calamari design.

*shrug* In this sort of case, we could say the design of the ship is official/canon/whatever, but we don't know the actual name of it. We could assume it's the same, but we don't know for sure.

Sort of like why I wavered on the Bulk Cruiser and Assault Frigate being in the EU and stuff. They're mentioned in other sources, but as to that particular design being the same is not so sure (though if Publius is right, the Assault Frigate is imaged in at least one source, right?).

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2005-01-15 10:57pm

Well what's certain is that the ship in ROTJ does not match the Bulk Cruiser as presented in the other sources. The Bulk Cruiser has a very destinctive nose different from that in the film, and it's porportions aren't as slender.

From what I've heard, and I don't remember from where, there were other Calamari models made for the film, but for whatever reason they were not able to be used up close. I suspect at least that ship, and possible one of the others, are of such design.

And damnit why are there no photos of these models? They've got to exist somewhere. With all the crappy EU and game designs being turned out a new canon class from the origional source would be appreciated.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2005-01-15 11:06pm

Isolder74 wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:
Isolder74 wrote:CC-7700 or CC-9600 Are mentioned in the Corrilian trilogy, I believe. the interdictors were used at least i beleive, but I'm not sure
Not that I'm aware of. The CC-7700 and CC-9600 are Rebellion-specific designs, insofar as I am aware.
The Corrielian faction uses some kind of interditor ship the model is not mentioned

They had centerpoint station generating an interdiction field far more massive than the system itself.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2005-01-15 11:40pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:And damnit why are there no photos of these models? They've got to exist somewhere. With all the crappy EU and game designs being turned out a new canon class from the origional source would be appreciated.

This page has pics of all the ships in the game. And also the game stats and their encyclopedia entry if you're interested.

EDIT: Tag fixed.

Oh, and the encyclopedia entires seem to be cut off if they're too long. Oh well, you can click on the Encylopedia link in the left menu bar if you want to see the whole thing (but no pics).

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2005-01-16 12:07am

Here's a better XWA shot of the Bulk Cruiser. As you can see the split in the nose disqualifies it from being in the movies.

And man do those Rebellion ships suck. They're just plain ugly, not beautiful ugly like the Nebulon-B, but ugly ugly.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-01-16 06:51am

RogueIce wrote:
Wicked Pilot wrote:And damnit why are there no photos of these models? They've got to exist somewhere. With all the crappy EU and game designs being turned out a new canon class from the origional source would be appreciated.
This page has pics of all the ships in the game. And also the game stats and their encyclopedia entry if you're interested.

I think he was referring to models used in the films, I too would like to see some light shed on those.

Executor32 · Post by **Executor32** » 2005-01-16 12:26pm

RogueIce wrote:
Wicked Pilot wrote:
wautd wrote:if you have the DVD you can also see (a Bulk Cruiser) at the battle of endor
There's no indication to my knowledge that that's what that ship is. It could easily be a Calamari design.
*shrug* In this sort of case, we could say the design of the ship is official/canon/whatever, but we don't know the actual name of it. We could assume it's the same, but we don't know for sure.

Sort of like why I wavered on the Bulk Cruiser and Assault Frigate being in the EU and stuff. They're mentioned in other sources, but as to that particular design being the same is not so sure (though if Publius is right, the Assault Frigate is imaged in at least one source, right?).

The Assault Frigate design is the same as the one in both the EGVV and XWA. The bulk cruiser is different, though, and I believe it is the Battle Horn-class. The one seen in XWA is the Neutron Star-class.