Really? Now. Right now is the time for diplomacy? You mean BEFORE we got involved in a quagmire in Iraq and lost over 1,000 American lives and god knows how many Iraqis in this lurch to freedom wasn't the time. But NOW. Now is the time? Fuck you.Rice: 'The time for diplomacy is now'
Secretary of state nominee faces Senate panel
Tuesday, January 18, 2005 Posted: 10:22 AM EST (1522 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Condoleezza Rice is expected to face some tough questions at her confirmation hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, but Capitol Hill observers say she will ultimately be confirmed as secretary of state.
Rice stressed the importance of diplomacy, democracy and freedom Tuesday morning in her opening remarks to the panel.
"September 11, 2001, was a defining moment for our nation and the world," she said. "Under the vision and leadership of President Bush, our nation has risen to meet the challenges of our time: fighting tyranny and terror, and securing the blessings of freedom and prosperity for a new generation.
"Now is the time to build on these achievements to make the world safer, and to make the world more free. We must use American diplomacy to help create a balance of power in the world that favors freedom. And the time for diplomacy is now."
In a show of bipartisanship, California Democrat Diane Feinstein introduced Rice before she was sworn in to testify.
Committee chairman Richard Lugar opened the hearing by praising Rice for her accomplishments and public service.
"The enormously complex job before Dr. Rice will require all of her talents and experience," he said. "American credibility in the world, progress in the war on terrorism, our relationships with our allies will be greatly affected by the secretary of state's actions and the effectiveness of the State Department in the coming years."
Lugar listed a string of issues the next secretary of state would face, including the Middle East peace process, the threat of nuclear proliferation, the human rights situation in Sudan and the spread of HIV/AIDS.
Democratic Sen. Joseph Biden, the ranking member of the committee said he planned to vote for Rice and said he expected her to be confirmed, but said that he had concerns about the Bush administration's international policies.
"We inspire as much envy and resentment as we do admiration and gratitude, even if we do everything correctly, in my view," Biden said. "But the fact is relations with many of our oldest friends are, quite frankly, scraping the bottom right now and we need to heed the advice of the president of the United States just before his first inaugural when he talked about acting with humility as well as force."
Democrats were expected to grill Rice about her role in the handling of faulty intelligence reports leading to the invasion of Iraq and her handling of terror warnings before the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.
Some also say Rice may be too close to President Bush to be an effective Cabinet secretary -- unlike outgoing Secretary of State Colin Powell, who has been seen as a moderating influence.
"When you look at a secretary of defense who has been as forceful and effective as Donald Rumsfeld, for good or for ill, he's a tough customer," said Susan Rice, a former adviser to Sen. John Kerry's failed presidential campaign.
"She'll have to show whether she has the stuff to stand up and fight."
As Bush's national security adviser, Rice did not have to testify under oath to Congress, so Democrats are eager to question her.
In the months before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, Rice was among the leading administration officials who warned that Iraq was harboring stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction -- claims that have turned out to be incorrect. (Full story)
For example, Rice said Iraq tried to buy thousands of high-strength aluminum tubes that were "only really suited for nuclear weapons programs" and said U.S. intelligence suggested that Iraqis had helped the al Qaeda terrorist network to develop chemical weapons.
But both the Department of Energy and the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, determined the tubes were meant to be used in artillery rockets.
And the independent commission investigating the September 11 attacks found there was no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda.
Rice faced heated questioning from the 9/11 commission in April, after former White House counterterrorism adviser Richard Clarke went public with claims that the Bush administration botched warnings of the al Qaeda hijacking plot.
She said the administration "would have moved heaven and earth" to stop the attack had they known they were coming. "And I know that there was no single thing that might have prevented that attack." (Full story)
But leaders of both parties say that -- like Alberto Gonzales, Bush's pick to lead the Justice Department -- Rice will get the job after a few hard questions get asked. (Full story)
Powell said last week that he expected the hearing "will go swimmingly," and that Rice could be confirmed and sworn in soon after Bush's inauguration on Thursday.
Allies like Allen say Rice will preview the theme of Bush's inaugural address -- spreading democracy around the world.
And they say Rice's personal story of growing up in the segregated South will help her carry that banner on the world stage.
Born a minister's daughter in segregated Alabama in 1954, Rice entered college at 15 and by 26 had earned a doctorate in international affairs.
She was an expert on the Soviet Union in the first Bush administration and tutored the current president on international policy during the 2000 campaign before becoming his national security adviser.
If confirmed, Rice would be the first black woman -- and only the second woman -- to head the State Department. The first woman was Madeleine Albright, in the Clinton administration.
"As we try to advance freedom for all people in the world, regardless of their race or their gender or their ethnicity or their religious beliefs, I think her own life experiences make her even a stronger person to advocate the concepts of freedom," Allen said.
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I don't want to bump something to add just a one liner, but really who does think this woman has even a shred of integrity in the world? Anyone?
I'd imagine foreign dignitaries allowing her to arrive, listen simply and respond non-comitatntly, just stringing her along. Best way to get them, just make it clear that for the next four years, unless accountability is produced, you won't do buisness with them.
I'd imagine foreign dignitaries allowing her to arrive, listen simply and respond non-comitatntly, just stringing her along. Best way to get them, just make it clear that for the next four years, unless accountability is produced, you won't do buisness with them.
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Did anyone catch her little speech before Congress yesterday. "It is time to open the communications between countries, we should have a dialogue not a monologue."
I wanted to vomit.
This entire first term has been nothing BUT a fucking monologue. More like a rant really. It disgusts me that she can say that with a straight face, even worse she continuallyinsists that they were fully prepapred for the post war Iraq situation.
"We've made some good decisions and not so good decisions in the post war Iraq." Not so good?! How about BAD decisions? This fucking administration can NEVER EVER say it did anything wrong. She couldn't even say they made bad decisions. She said "Not so good." Christ almighty. Oh and I love how the occupation word was subsitituted with "post war Iraq"
I wanted to vomit.
This entire first term has been nothing BUT a fucking monologue. More like a rant really. It disgusts me that she can say that with a straight face, even worse she continuallyinsists that they were fully prepapred for the post war Iraq situation.
"We've made some good decisions and not so good decisions in the post war Iraq." Not so good?! How about BAD decisions? This fucking administration can NEVER EVER say it did anything wrong. She couldn't even say they made bad decisions. She said "Not so good." Christ almighty. Oh and I love how the occupation word was subsitituted with "post war Iraq"
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(and regardless of whether they want us there ...)"As we try to advance freedom for all people in the world, regardless of their race or their gender or their ethnicity or their religious beliefs, I think her own life experiences make her even a stronger person to advocate the concepts of freedom," Allen said.
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Hey, she named Zimbawawe as one of the countries on the AXIS OF EVIL,
replacing Iraq
replacing Iraq
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Does this mean it's time to draw attention away from the mess that is Iraq and invade another country that can't project power worth shit, while leaving Iran and North Korea to their nukes? Time to replace Mugabe with chaos and violence, create another 'flypaper' area?MKSheppard wrote:Hey, she named Zimbawawe as one of the countries on the AXIS OF EVIL,
replacing Iraq
Not that there'd be a huge difference in the level of violence and shit if we flattened Mugabe and the flames of insurgency leapt up, but it's worth noting the speed at which another little bitchboy is added to the AXIS.
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Mugabe IS chaos and violence. Or don't you read the papers?SirNitram wrote:Time to replace Mugabe with chaos and violence, create another 'flypaper' area?
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Yes, so how will replacing Mugabe's brand of chaos and violence with the Liberation Brand help things? I'm all for that arsebandit being bombed into next week, but we're in no shape to even take on that place. And a land war in Africa now is nearly as insane as a land war in Asia.MKSheppard wrote: Mugabe IS chaos and violence. Or don't you read the papers?
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Pending approval by the full Senate, Rice would be the first black woman to hold the job. She was confirmed by a 16-2 vote with Democrats John Kerry of Massachusetts and Barbara Boxer of California voting no.
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Thank goodness somebody in the Senate still has some stones.MKSheppard wrote:Pending approval by the full Senate, Rice would be the first black woman to hold the job. She was confirmed by a 16-2 vote with Democrats John Kerry of Massachusetts and Barbara Boxer of California voting no.
(No offense, Barb)
[img=right]http://www.tallguyz.com/imagelib/chmeesig.jpg[/img]My guess might be excellent or it might be crummy, but
Mrs. Spade didn't raise any children dippy enough to
make guesses in front of a district attorney,
an assistant district attorney, and a stenographer.
Sam Spade, "The Maltese Falcon"
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Mrs. Spade didn't raise any children dippy enough to
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I don't see why the honor of "first black, female secretary of state" has to be sullied by making the woman in question an incompetent mouthpiece for a dumbshit cowboy president.Chmee wrote:Thank goodness somebody in the Senate still has some stones.MKSheppard wrote:Pending approval by the full Senate, Rice would be the first black woman to hold the job. She was confirmed by a 16-2 vote with Democrats John Kerry of Massachusetts and Barbara Boxer of California voting no.
(No offense, Barb)
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Hell, with taking on the Congo/Zimbabwe/Zaire/whatever they're calling themselves this week I'd be just as worried about all the fun diseases out there in the jungle as any enemy opposition. Remember, this is the lovely country that produced THE most deadly virus strain ever known (by me, at any rate ), Ebola Zaire. And that's not even taking into account all the bacterial goodies they've got.
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Well, until we invade. Then the media will look back at the Mugabe era as one of order and stability, and decry the inhuman American imperialism that allowed it to spiral into "name brand" chaos and anarchy. [/stir shit]MKSheppard wrote:Mugabe IS chaos and violence. Or don't you read the papers?SirNitram wrote:Time to replace Mugabe with chaos and violence, create another 'flypaper' area?
Seriously, though-- at this point does it really fucking matter who says what in the Administration? They are all ideologues working a fantasy angle on how to re-make the world. It doesn't matter who the SecState is, hell it could be Michael Moore, but as long as Rumsfeldt and Bush are pulling the strings, it makes no difference.
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Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
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In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
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Well, either we go out there and change the Arab world, or we let themCoyote wrote:Seriously, though-- at this point does it really fucking matter who says what in the Administration? They are all ideologues working a fantasy angle on how to re-make the world.
continue in their stupid feudal mindset until one of them gets ahold of
WMD and uses it against us, upon which they cease to exist.
I'm starting to lean towards 'wait till a nutcase gets ahold of the nasties and
uses it, then send SAC out' scenario after the Iraq experience.
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No ... once they'd hit the 'berg, the passengers on the Titanic probably didn't care much if one of the junior officers got a promotion.Coyote wrote:Seriously, though-- at this point does it really fucking matter who says what in the Administration?
[img=right]http://www.tallguyz.com/imagelib/chmeesig.jpg[/img]My guess might be excellent or it might be crummy, but
Mrs. Spade didn't raise any children dippy enough to
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Sam Spade, "The Maltese Falcon"
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Mrs. Spade didn't raise any children dippy enough to
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Bear in mind I am of the opinion that the Fundamentalist Muslim world is in desperate need of a bitchslapping, and I'm glad to do my part in that. The same Arab-Muslim Fundy world has been trying to get this game on with us for years, and so now we're finally getting the battle on. If it wasn't here and now, it would have been somewhere else soon enough.MKSheppard wrote:Well, either we go out there and change the Arab world, or we let them
continue in their stupid feudal mindset until one of them gets ahold of
WMD and uses it against us, upon which they cease to exist.
I'm starting to lean towards 'wait till a nutcase gets ahold of the nasties and uses it, then send SAC out' scenario after the Iraq experience.
But the people calling the shots (Bush Admin) are ignorant of what they're doing here and aren't doing it in a proper manner. Things could be going a lot easier in the region with a bit of foresight, education, proper planning and so forth.
Hence Rice's comment that the 'time for diplomacy is now' is silly. It should have been our lead-off point, and that would still allow us a fight on the ground later but under better circumstances.
This whole time, and especially now now that Arafuck is dead, we should have been twisting the arms of the Israelis and Palestinians to do what they both know needs to be done, for example.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
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Condeleeza Rice needs to be hung upside down by the ankles and beating by the House like a Pinata until the truth falls out.
I was watching her on "The News Hour with Jim Lehrer" performing some of the most crass bald-faced lies and turn arounds I've seen thus far this year and then using the standard fall back lines of: "I'd appreciate it if you didn't imply that I had lied/didn't impune my honesty etc". I wouldn't had minded so much, if, like I said, she hadn't been flat out lying in her responses to half the questions.
I was watching her on "The News Hour with Jim Lehrer" performing some of the most crass bald-faced lies and turn arounds I've seen thus far this year and then using the standard fall back lines of: "I'd appreciate it if you didn't imply that I had lied/didn't impune my honesty etc". I wouldn't had minded so much, if, like I said, she hadn't been flat out lying in her responses to half the questions.
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Of COURSE. So the way to change the arab world for the better of course is to INVADE AND BLOW THE SHIT OUT OF THEM, then demand they accept Western decomcracy in all its refined forms or else we grid Iraq and start blowing it up bit by bit?MKSheppard wrote:Well, either we go out there and change the Arab world, or we let themCoyote wrote:Seriously, though-- at this point does it really fucking matter who says what in the Administration? They are all ideologues working a fantasy angle on how to re-make the world.
continue in their stupid feudal mindset until one of them gets ahold of
WMD and uses it against us, upon which they cease to exist.
Yes, THAT will sure get them converting enmass to the US point of view
I'm starting to lean towards 'wait till a nutcase gets ahold of the nasties and
uses it, then send SAC out' scenario after the Iraq experience.
Right, so you've gone from 'NUKE NUKE NUKE' to 'wait tilll they nuke us THEN NUKE NUKE NUKE"
This is supposed to be an improvement?
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Thanks for proving you can't actually read, Shep.MKSheppard wrote:Mugabe IS chaos and violence. Or don't you read the papers?SirNitram wrote:Time to replace Mugabe with chaos and violence, create another 'flypaper' area?
Not that there'd be a huge difference in the level of violence and shit if we flattened Mugabe and the flames of insurgency leapt up, but it's worth noting the speed at which another little bitchboy is added to the AXIS.
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