What happened to C-3PO and R2-D2 Between Ep. III & Ep. I

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2005-01-19 11:16am

PFC Brungardt wrote:As a source of anti-establishment rhetoric and idealogues. Leadership. I can't think of much outside of human resources and the Tantive IV though. Oh and wouldn't Artoo and C-3PO be from Alderaan as well? I mean after the original trilogy is there any argument their memories were wiped? I suppose they went to Alderaan as Leia did.

This quote from the Alderaan post got me thinking. Did R-2 and C-3PO have their memories wiped in between Episodes III and IV? Or do you have an alternative explanation for why they don't seem to remember anyone from their past?

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2005-01-19 12:01pm

lets wait untill ROTS is out m'kay?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-01-19 12:10pm

I believe they confirmed that they memory wipe the two in RoTS.

Guess we'll see come May.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2005-01-19 12:13pm

Ive heard only c3 gets wiped - makes sense, since r2 goes looking for obiwan in movie 4, and c3 is like, who?

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2005-01-19 01:12pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:Ive heard only c3 gets wiped - makes sense, since r2 goes looking for obiwan in movie 4, and c3 is like, who?

Well since Leia used R2 to sent a message to Obi Wan,that either means R2 remembered OW or he was program to search for him

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2005-01-19 01:40pm

wautd wrote:lets wait untill ROTS is out m'kay?

Why don't you offer an opinion, rather than simply be a smartass...

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-01-19 02:30pm

Ghost Rider wrote:I believe they confirmed that they memory wipe the two in RoTS.

Guess we'll see come May.

According to this theory, at least one did.

http://www.bobandgeorge.com/Archive/Nov03.php?date=6

Still can't figure out why GL would bother to wipe their memories entirely. If they have no memory of the prequel trilogy in the classic trilogy then what is the point of using the same droid characters in this case?

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2005-01-19 02:45pm

I personally think that R2 was hard-coded (BIOS?) with information so that, if he was captured or lost, he could not be FULLY mem-wiped; requiring the equivalent of a keyword to reawaken that BIOS...or something.

3P0...not so much.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2005-01-19 03:40pm

Lord Zentei wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:I believe they confirmed that they memory wipe the two in RoTS.

Guess we'll see come May.
According to this theory, at least one did.

http://www.bobandgeorge.com/Archive/Nov03.php?date=6

Still can't figure out why GL would bother to wipe their memories entirely. If they have no memory of the prequel trilogy in the classic trilogy then what is the point of using the same droid characters in this case?

I have a cynical answer and an in-universe answer:
Cynical - Money, GL wanted to make money by tying familiar characters into the prequels.

In-Universe - The Force. The Force guides people, and those with great destinies (Luke, Anakin, Palpatine, etc.) end up together. I think this was obvious ANH in the way that Luke's uncle just "happened" to purchase the droid who would lead Luke to Obi-Wan. There are other examples, but I don't want to go on for too long.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-01-19 03:52pm

SancheztheWhaler wrote:I have a cynical answer and an in-universe answer:
Cynical - Money, GL wanted to make money by tying familiar characters into the prequels.

In-Universe - The Force. The Force guides people, and those with great destinies (Luke, Anakin, Palpatine, etc.) end up together. I think this was obvious ANH in the way that Luke's uncle just "happened" to purchase the droid who would lead Luke to Obi-Wan. There are other examples, but I don't want to go on for too long.

Sadly you may be right about the cynical answer.

As for the in-universe answer it does make some sense, particularly with all the talk about "destiny" and suchlike, but some rational explanation would also be nice. Apart from the bit about the droids being purchased by Owen, most of the "destiny" coincidences can be explained in some way. For instance Ob-Wan picking Tatooine for his retirement home specifically to watch out for Luke and still keeping loose contact with Leia's adopted father explains how Leia's distress call just happened to reach Luke. R2-D2 had been told by Leia where Obi-Wan lived so quite possibly he would have found his way to him one way or another (and Luke and Ben, though not exactly living next door to each other were practically neighbors by Tatooine standards).

That's how I like to see destiny work in fiction: it can be explained or rationalized somehow, and yet...

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-01-19 10:50pm

I prefer to think that if a mind wipe must be made, Threepio is the one who gets it. Artoo just seems to know too much and is in many ways, the guy who saves everyone's life in the movies. Simply giving him an order to not blab is enough. A mind wipe is too excessive. You're talking about wiping out the droid's personality. Artoo has been around the block more than a few times, and some find that valuable (experience and all that) even if it means he's a little stubborn.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2005-01-19 10:59pm

Besides Artoo is capable of keeping his mouth shut. After all I think he kind of knew that Padma=Amidala and he kept that quiet. As I see it Artoo knew too much about Tatooine to have had his memory erased. Like when the two droids split up Atroo acts like he knows where he is going while Threepio knew almost nothing about the planet and did not even know where he was. Does not make much sense if he still remembered his early life. Obi-Wan most likely just erased the information and kept his personality intact.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-01-19 11:34pm

What if Artoo pulled a Whistler? Meaning, he found a trick to back up bits of his memory where he could retrieve it after the wipe?

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2005-01-20 02:38am

SancheztheWhaler wrote:
wautd wrote:lets wait untill ROTS is out m'kay?

Why don't you offer an opinion, rather than simply be a smartass...

Fine. Plotholes and fucking bad writing ok?

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-01-20 03:25am

Praxis wrote:What if Artoo pulled a Whistler? Meaning, he found a trick to back up bits of his memory where he could retrieve it after the wipe?

IIRC, Whistler was specifically modified by CorSec with the capability of being able to defeat standard memory wipes.

Personally, I lean toward the Threepio wiped, R2 not wiped theory, myself.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2005-01-20 07:39am

SancheztheWhaler wrote:In-Universe - The Force. The Force guides people, and those with great destinies (Luke, Anakin, Palpatine, etc.) end up together. I think this was obvious ANH in the way that Luke's uncle just "happened" to purchase the droid who would lead Luke to Obi-Wan.

No he didn't. Fortunately, the droid he actually purchased 'sploded a few seconds later, so he decided to take Artoo instead.

Big Phil · Post by **Big Phil** » 2005-01-20 11:15am

Drooling Iguana wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote:In-Universe - The Force. The Force guides people, and those with great destinies (Luke, Anakin, Palpatine, etc.) end up together. I think this was obvious ANH in the way that Luke's uncle just "happened" to purchase the droid who would lead Luke to Obi-Wan.
No he didn't. Fortunately, the droid he actually purchased 'sploded a few seconds later, so he decided to take Artoo instead.

A very "curious coincidence," don't you think? The Force moves in mysterious ways...

Mutant Headcrab · Post by **Mutant Headcrab** » 2005-01-20 12:17pm

SancheztheWhaler wrote:
Drooling Iguana wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote:In-Universe - The Force. The Force guides people, and those with great destinies (Luke, Anakin, Palpatine, etc.) end up together. I think this was obvious ANH in the way that Luke's uncle just "happened" to purchase the droid who would lead Luke to Obi-Wan.
No he didn't. Fortunately, the droid he actually purchased 'sploded a few seconds later, so he decided to take Artoo instead.

A very "curious coincidence," don't you think? The Force moves in mysterious ways...

There was nothing mysterious about it! Skippy the Jedi Droid valiently destroyed himself to allow the overthrow of the Empire!

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-01-20 03:34pm

Mutant Headcrab wrote:There was nothing mysterious about it! Skippy the Jedi Droid valiently destroyed himself to allow the overthrow of the Empire!

Bastard, you beat me to it.

Yes, Skippy bravely sacrificed himself so that the young farmboy could go with the old man and save the woman with the cinnamon buns on her head.

(For those who are wondering, this refers to a short vignette from Star Wars Tales)

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-01-20 03:59pm

They did what occured in the Droids cartoon.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2005-01-22 12:09am

in the old Classic Star Wars comics series from DarkHorse and i think originally from the old SW newspaper clips or Marvel SW comics C-3P0 seems out of it and R2 always is the "self-conservative" one who seems to do anything to survive.

all and all they got passed from master to master somehow always stayed together and all that mumbojumbo

edited im sorry its the old Droids comics from Darkd Horse theres 2 series of Droids comics

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2005-01-22 05:48am

Mutant Headcrab wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote:
Drooling Iguana wrote: No he didn't. Fortunately, the droid he actually purchased 'sploded a few seconds later, so he decided to take Artoo instead.

A very "curious coincidence," don't you think? The Force moves in mysterious ways...
There was nothing mysterious about it! Skippy the Jedi Droid valiently destroyed himself to allow the overthrow of the Empire!

According to the radio drama, Artoo sabotaged the R5 droid.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2005-01-22 12:31pm

What we need to remember is that R2 is two things A) He is the real hero of Star Wars and B) He is smarter than anyone else in all of the films.

That having been said, the issue with 3PO having a full memory wipe is that his personality is still intact. It is possible that his personality is programmed though.,

R2: No way in hell his memory got wiped. He claims to be Obi Wan's property. He knows where to go, when the Princess didnt know where he was.

A memory wipe for him is Impossible... 3PO.. not so much

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-01-22 12:43pm

Alyrium Denryle wrote: R2: No way in hell his memory got wiped. He claims to be Obi Wan's property. He knows where to go, when the Princess didnt know where he was.

A memory wipe for him is Impossible... 3PO.. not so much

In the Radio Drama, Leia knows the coordinates of Obi-wan's residence and insrtructs R2 to go there. He is programmed by Leia and Capt. Antilles to lie in order to accomplish his mission (get the message to Obi-wan), which could easily account for his duplicity in the Homestead.

I'm not saying I want him to get his memeory wiped, but that it's not as impossble as you claim.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2005-01-22 02:22pm

The Original Nex wrote:
Alyrium Denryle wrote: R2: No way in hell his memory got wiped. He claims to be Obi Wan's property. He knows where to go, when the Princess didnt know where he was.

A memory wipe for him is Impossible... 3PO.. not so much
In the Radio Drama, Leia knows the coordinates of Obi-wan's residence and insrtructs R2 to go there. He is programmed by Leia and Capt. Antilles to lie in order to accomplish his mission (get the message to Obi-wan), which could easily account for his duplicity in the Homestead.

I'm not saying I want him to get his memeory wiped, but that it's not as impossble as you claim.

Damn you to hell...

Still, his personality wouldnt b e the same if his memory wiped... and I dont think anyone would program a willful personality into a droid intentionally