Hubble will not be repaired

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2005-01-22 03:45am

Link

Bastards.

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2005-01-22 03:54am

MuthaFUCKA!!

Medic · Post by **Medic** » 2005-01-22 04:02am

Our lawmakers can go fuck themselves.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2005-01-22 04:15am

Well, two steps forward (Huygens, SpaceShipOne), one step back. I suppose it's not realistic to expect anyone in power to have anything approaching a desire for a space program, given the current geopolitical situation and the priorities of the both the Republican and Democratic parties.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-01-22 04:22am

Fuck fuck fuck.

God damn it. I thought we were a go on saving it. I was taking it for granted that they were going to follow through on the proposals to keep it going.

Goddamned cocksuckers.

Motherfucker!

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-01-22 04:27am

God damn fucking....do the people in Washington have ANY FUCKING IDEA how useful that thing is? The different in shear quality between ground and space bassed observation? Those frigen....
ARGGGG

Post by **fgalkin** » 2005-01-22 04:34am

Remeber folks, that money is going for a good cause. Invading yet another country, that is.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2005-01-22 04:38am

Isnt their a replacement for Hubble already in the works? They should just focus their cash and efforts on that anyways IMO. So what if we go a few years without a space telescope, its not like its isnt getting replaced.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2005-01-22 04:48am

EDIT. http://www.jwst.nasa.gov/

Common guys, 6 years isn't THAT far away, and Hubble will likely still be working for another few years at least anyways.

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-01-22 04:56am

Icehawk wrote:Isnt their a replacement for Hubble already in the works? They should just focus their cash and efforts on that anyways IMO. So what if we go a few years without a space telescope, its not like its isnt getting replaced.

Difference being that the upcoming program is easily axed. With Hubble, we have a functioning orbital telescope.

I don't trust the bastards to follow through. If we had a functional orbiter program instead of those useless fucking shuttles, and we didn't shut down the whole program every time something bad happens, I'd have a skosh bit more faith in them.

dragon · Post by **dragon** » 2005-01-22 08:22am

First that new telescope looks like it might be a pretty good one.
Second I think I much perfer ESA way of doing business
And third if one of the satellite companies could build a telescope and then charge a small user fee I wonder if that would work.

Ma Deuce · Post by **Ma Deuce** » 2005-01-22 09:54am

Second I think I much perfer ESA way of doing business

Somehow, I don't see the ESA getting much shit done either...

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-01-22 10:01am

They're politicians, not guys with functioning brains. Give them a brain. Their arteries to the brain must be clogged by all the cock they ingest.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2005-01-22 10:10am

considering the ting was only designed to last 4 or 5 years, and they managed to keep it running for more than 10, I don't see what the big deal is.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-22 10:34am

Ma Deuce wrote:
Second I think I much perfer ESA way of doing business
Somehow, I don't see the ESA getting much shit done either...

Besides landing a probe on Titan

(okay that was joint ESA/NASA mission)

Besides they have a similar project to Hubble in the works, let me dig up the link ...

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-22 10:43am

Ghetto Edit

Yep, here it is; XMM - Newton. In operation already, focuses on the X-Ray spectrum, and it is already detecting more X-Ray sources than any previous satellite. It specialises on Black Holes, and the early universe.

Launched in late 99, designed to last 10 years.

There are other projects as well, but do a search for them yourselves, you'll see.

Am I sad that Hubble is dieing? Sure. But if there are other projects already/planned to go to orbit to replace it, and as long as Hubble isn't giving us something which none of the others is going to give us, then what's all this aggreviation about

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2005-01-22 12:23pm

Icehawk wrote:EDIT. http://www.jwst.nasa.gov/

Common guys, 6 years isn't THAT far away, and Hubble will likely still be working for another few years at least anyways.

Yeah, but the Webb telescope won't be looking at visible light. It'll be infrared, which while good for science, won't be producing the "That looks so fucking cool!" pictures that Hubble specializes in. Unlike Hubble, it won't be lovable and won't have a push to save it and keep the public interested. Nobody outside scientists and nerds will give a damn, and nobody listens to scientists or nerds.

Fuck.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » 2005-01-22 12:27pm

But remember, that massive deficit and the arterial bleeding of cash for the war isn't really affecting any vital government functions back home.

Why would anybody expect the Evangelical President to care about Hubble? He already knows how the universe was created ......

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-22 12:38pm

Mayabird wrote:
Icehawk wrote:EDIT. http://www.jwst.nasa.gov/

Common guys, 6 years isn't THAT far away, and Hubble will likely still be working for another few years at least anyways.
Yeah, but the Webb telescope won't be looking at visible light. It'll be infrared, which while good for science, won't be producing the "That looks so fucking cool!" pictures that Hubble specializes in. Unlike Hubble, it won't be lovable and won't have a push to save it and keep the public interested. Nobody outside scientists and nerds will give a damn, and nobody listens to scientists or nerds.

Fuck.

As amazing as this sounds, scientists or 'nerds' are also blind to the IR spectrum, and come to that the UV and X-Ray spectrum. They use these magical devices called 'filters' to image the data collected by the vast majority of telescopes (Hubble too), to produce the aforementioned 'That looks so fucking cool!' pictures like the one below from ESA's XMM-Newton X-Ray telescope.

*chuckles*

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-22 12:46pm

Chmee wrote:But remember, that massive deficit and the arterial bleeding of cash for the war isn't really affecting any vital government functions back home.

Why would anybody expect the Evangelical President to care about Hubble? He already knows how the universe was created ......

The joint NASA/ESA JWST will be orders of magnitude more powerful than Hubble. Have a little faith. Not to mention ESA's other ST projects;

C'mon guys, keep up!

Medic · Post by **Medic** » 2005-01-22 01:04pm

Crown wrote:
Chmee wrote:But remember, that massive deficit and the arterial bleeding of cash for the war isn't really affecting any vital government functions back home.

Why would anybody expect the Evangelical President to care about Hubble? He already knows how the universe was created ......
The joint NASA/ESA JWST will be orders of magnitude more powerful than Hubble. Have a little faith. Not to mention ESA's other ST projects;

XMM - Newton

Darwin
Gaia

XEUS

Herschel
C'mon guys, keep up!

I much prefer the tried and true (though questionably effective) method of bitching, moaning and otherwise complaining loud enough until the situation spontaneously becomes less shitty and then making ex post facto statements of "unwavering" faith.

Will the war ever get too expensive that we're forced to cut the war out of our budget too?

Look in a telescope, not an iron sight.

Mayabird · Post by **Mayabird** » 2005-01-22 01:05pm

Yes Crown, every dumbshit in the world is going to be thrilled with a bunch of red pictures of things that aren't all Mars, which has an excuse. Give 'em pretty pictures like this:

And anybody can appreciate it. So what if there were filters involved? It looks very cool, it's really pretty, and it looks real. Bubba Joe Redneck might not know exactly what it is, but it's got a lot of stars so it must be something out in space that looks really cool.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-22 01:36pm

Mayabird wrote:Yes Crown, every dumbshit in the world is going to be thrilled with a bunch of red pictures of things that aren't all Mars, which has an excuse. Give 'em pretty pictures like this:

And anybody can appreciate it. So what if there were filters involved? It looks very cool, it's really pretty, and it looks real. Bubba Joe Redneck might not know exactly what it is, but it's got a lot of stars so it must be something out in space that looks really cool.

Why, because it's blue?

Are you a fucking handicap? You just made my arguement. So what if the ESA pic I posted was red? It could have been, blue, green, purple, white, aqua, tangerine, ANYTHING!. This is what's known as 'false color', and the result is the same, bringing us spectacular images of objects. Like so;

Made my point?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2005-01-22 02:16pm

The Webb Telescope is IR, yes, but that's because ground-based observation can do a much better job of that with tricks like adaptive optics. Hubble's puny mirror is no match for the large telescope or telescope arrays on the ground now.

OTOH, the atmosphere absorbs a lot of IR, so it makes sense to have Webb do that.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2005-01-22 02:17pm

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsdesk/future/

Servicing Mission 4, the last scheduled flight of the space shuttle to the Hubble Space Telescope, has been cancelled. On Jan. 16, NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe announced his decision to call off the mission, which would have performed Hubble maintenance work and installed new instruments. O'Keefe cited the new safety guidelines set out following the Columbia tragedy as the primary basis for his decision.

How does this have anything to do with the war in Iraq or anything else?

Also, how do we fix the problem without a functioning manned space program?