The Official Episode III spoiler thread

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-19 09:19am

President Sharky wrote:It's already been labelled as a fan-made contraption.

Well it does show Yoda vs Palpy (which would explain the Imperial Guards at Yoda's feet in the teaser trailer), which the '40 point' thread never addressed, so ...

Meest · Post by **Meest** » 2005-01-20 08:37am

Yoda walks down a long hallway that leads to the entrance of a room called the "Holding Office of the Supreme Chancellor." Two Imperial Guards block the room. As Yoda approaches lightning shoots from the hands of the Emperor. Yoda makes a subtle gesture and deflects the lightning; shocking the Imperial Guards into unconciousness.

Yoda removes his lightsaber and the Great Battle begins. With speed and veracity it moves closer to the huge Chancellor's Pod that occupies the middle of the room until the Jedi and the Sith are upon its great foundations. Suddenly, the pod begins to rise as the two combatants battle it out...

The Chancellor's podium continues to rise into the vast empty space of the Senate arena. In the middle of the Senate, bolts of lightning flash from the pod. Suddenly, delegation pods free themselves of the curving walls and slam throughout the chamber - some by the use of the Force, others by the control panels.

Sidious jumps onto one of the flying pods. Yoda goes to follow but is hit by a bolt of lightening and falls. Sidious, exhausted, looks down into the debris below, but Yoda is not to be seen.

Immediately, Sidious calls his Clone Intelligence and the Senate Building is stormed by his Imperial Army.

I kinda like and dislike this version of things. Good things are that Yoda isn't completely spanked and massive the force throws. Bad things are the lightning to end it, maybe if Yoda isn't prepared it can get through, was hoping Palps is shown doing something new.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-01-22 01:01pm

Trading card-list (events in the movie may be rearranged from this list):

JEDI KNIGHTS TO THE RESCUE
ANAKIN'S DARING RAID
BATTLING THE BUZZ DROIDS
FACING AN OLD ENEMY
CLASHING WITH THE COUNT
THE FURY OF DOOKU
COUNT DOOKU'S EXECUTION
R2 DOES HIS PART
"WHAT ABOUT PLAN 'B'?"
ENTER...GENERAL GRIEVOUS! (I guess this means Dooku dies first, then they face Grievous?)
BEHEADING A DROID
DUELING WITH GENERAL GRIEVOUS
TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY (Obviously, this is where Grievous escapes the ship)
ANOTHER HAPPY LANDING!
DREAM...OR PREMONITION?
STAR-CROSSED LOVERS
SEEKING YODA'S ADVICE
HEIR TO THE FUTURE
CONFERRING WITH THE COUNSEL
THE SECRET OF ETERNAL LIFE
OBI-WAN'S PLAN OF ATTACK
UTAPAU ON ALERT
THE RAMPAGING WHEEL (Grievous´ wheel bike, I guess?)
FORMIDABLE FOES
VANQUISHING GRIEVOUS
ARRESTING THE CHANCELLOR
A SITH LORD REVEALED
MACE VS. PALPATINE
THE JEDI BETRAYED
UNSTOPPABLE CLONES!
PLANET OF THE WOOKIEES
A FAREWELL TO FRIENDS
THE TERRIBLE TRUTH
THE SITH APPRENTICE
AN ALLIANCE SEVERED (what alliance can this be referring to?)
SLAUGHTER OF THE SEPARATISTS
HIS MAD REIGN BEGINS (The Empire! )
YODA'S FIGHT FOR LIFE
THE PATH I CANNOT FOLLOW
WAR OF THE JEDI (Clone Wars montáge?)
BROTHER AGAINST BROTHER
STRUGGLE IN THE SENATE
THE FORCE UNLEASHED!
CONSUMED BY THE DARK SIDE
ANAKIN'S FIERY FATE (These names might suggest that the Vader/Obi-Wan duel is intercut with the Yoda/Sidious duel)
ESCAPING FROM PALPATINE
THE BIRTH OF LUKE AND LEIA
MORE MACHINE THAN MAN
AN ALLIANCE OF EVIL
DARK DAYS, BRIGHTER TOMORROWS
SAVING LUKE SKYWALKER

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-23 05:49am

Some spoilers from comingsoon.net;

Clues from Labyrinth of Evil

As you may know, the upcoming book Labyrinth of Evil by James Luceno is a direct lead into Episode III. Jedi Council reader Rhonderoo got a copy early and has been sharing excerpts online in the forums (visit here and here). Here are a few items that may be of interest:

Regarding Sidious, Dooku, Sifo-Dyas and the ordering of the clones....

Dooku was an eager student, and yet Sidious had continued to hold him at arm's length. Perhaps he had been working with other potential replacements for his earier apprentice, the savage Darth Maul, who, in fact, had been nothing more than a minion, like Asajj Ventress and General Grievous. Sidious had recognized in Dooku the makings of a true accomplice - an equal from the other camp, already trained in the Jedi arts, a master duelist, a political visionary. But he needed to gauge the depth of Dooku's commitment.

"One of your former confidants in the Jedi Temple has percieved the coming change", Sidious had told him. "This one has contacted a group of cloners, regarding the creation of an army for the Republic. The order for the army can stand, for we will be able to make use of that army someday. But Master Sifo-Dyas cannot stand, for the Jedi cannot learn about the army until we are prepared to have them learn of it."

And so with the murder of Sifo-Dyas, Dooku had embraced the dark side fully, and Sidious conferred on him the title of Darth Tyrannus. His final act before leaving the Jedi Order was to erase all mention of Kamino from the Jedi archives. Then, he had found Fett on Bogg 4; had instructed him to deliver himself to Kamino; and had arranged for payment to be made to the cloners through circuitous routes...

Obi-Wan and Anakin discussing Padme....

Obi-Wan frowned sympathetically. "You can't afford to miss her in that way."

"And exactly what way is that, Master?"

"Because you cannot be married to both."

"Who said anything about marriage? She's a friend. I miss her as a friend!"

"You would forgo your destiny for Padme?"

Anakin's brows beetled in anger. "I never claimed to be the Chosen One. That was Qui-Gon. Even the Council doesn't believe it anymore, so why should you?"

"Because I think you believe it," Obi-Wan said calmly. "I think you know in your heart that you're meant for something extraordinary."

"And you, Master. What does your heart tell you you're meant for?"

"Infinite sadness," Obi-Wan said, even while smiling.

Upon finding out about the Coruscant invasion.....

Anakin shot Obi-Wan an embittered look and began to storm away.

"Anakin," Obi-Wan said, following his footsteps.

Anakin whirled on him. "We were wrong to come here, Master. I was wrong to come here. It was all a feint, and we fell for it. We are being kept away from Coruscant, I can feel it."

Obi folded his arms across his chest. "You wouldn't be saying that if we had captured Dooku."

"But we didn't, Master. That's what counts And now no communication with Coruscant? You don't even see it, do you?"

Obi-Wan regarded him carefully. "See what, Anakin?"

Anakin started to speak, then cut himself off, a new fire in his eyes. "You're my best friend. Tell me what I should do. Forget for a moment that you're wearing the robes of a Jedi and tell me what I should do!"

Stung by the gravity in Anakin's voice, Obi-Wan fell silent for a moment, then said: "The force is our ally, Anakin. When we're mindful of the force, our actions are in accord with the will of the force. Tythe wasn't a wrong choice, its just that we're ignorant of its import in the greater scheme."

Anakin lowered his head in sadness. "You're right, Master. My mind isn't as fast as my lightsaber." He stared at his artificial limb. "My heart isn't as imperveous to pain as my right hand."

Obi-Wan felt as if someone had knotted his insides. He had failed his apprentice and closest friend. Anakin was suffering and the only balm he offered were Jedi platitudes. His body heaved a shuddering breath.

Dooku and Palpatine about drawing Anakin into their trap/test....

Palpatine was hardly the prize he appeared to be. The greater prize, Sidious had told Dooku during the most recent communication, was Anakin Skywalker.

"Long have you watched him," Dooku had said, repeating words Sidious himself had spoken.

"Longer than you know, Lord Tyranus. Longer than you know. And the time has come to test him again."

"His skills, my lord?"

"The depth of his anger. His willingness to go beyond the Force, as the Jedi know it and to call on the power of the dark side. General Grievous will activate a special beacon that will call Skywalker and Kenobi back to Coruscant, and onto the stage we will set for them."

But not to capture them.

"You will duel them," Sidious had said. Kill Kenobi. His only purpose is to die and, in so doing, ignite young Skywalker to tap the depths of his fear and rage. Should you defeat Skywalker easily, then we will know that he is not prepared to serve us. Perhaps he never will be prepared. Should he by some fluke best you, however, I will control the outcome to spare you any unnecessary embarrassment, and we will have gained a powerful ally. But above all you must make the contest appear real, Lord Tyranus."

I will treat it as my crowning achievment.

This novel will be released January 25th, but be sure to check some shelves early.

Blast from the Past

In the CHUD forums, reader Mecha Superior posted an interesting quote from an old Time Magazine article that was discussing the prequels:

Show Business
I've Got to Get My life Back Again
By GERALD CLARKE

May. 23, 1983

The sequels, the three movies that would follow Jedi, are considerably vaguer. Their main theme will be the necessity for moral choices and the wisdom needed to distinguish right from wrong. There was never any doubt in the films already made; in those the lines were sharply drawn, comic-book-style. Luke, who will then be the age Obi-Wan Kenobi is now, some place in his 60s, will reappear, and so will his friends, assuming that the creator decides to carry the epic further. Hamill and the others will get first crack at the roles—if they look old enough.

The abundant fantasy on the screen is a mere sliver of Lucas' imaginary universe. Behind any creature may be a little volume of fable or cultural anthropology. Chewbacca is a favorite of Lucas', and he can go on and on about the Wookie tribe. They come from a damp jungle planet where they reside in tree houses and live to be 350 years old. The six-breasted females deliver their offspring in litters. After an invasion by Imperial forces, which may be alluded to in the "prequel," the Wookies were rounded up by slave traders and sold throughout the Empire. Chewy was rescued by Han Solo and installed as his copilot. Got that?

Looks like Lucas is hanging on to a few of those ideas, eh?

Spy Reports and Pics

MillenniumFalcon.Com returned from a brief hiatus to post a few more details on ROTS. Here's a sample (highlight to read spoilers):

"To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from you father when you were born." Obi-Wan Kenobi, Return of the Jedi

When Padme dies after giving birth to Anakin's offspring, Obi-Wan immediately begins the separation process of Luke and Leia Skywalker to protect them from the Emperor.

Obi-Wan hopes that should the Emperor discover one of them, the other will remain safely hidden from the Sith. However, when asked about training the infants, Yoda firmly states:

"Jedi training, the sole source of self-discipline is not. When right is the time for skills to be taught, to us the living Force will bring them. Until then, wait we will, and watch, and learn."

Luke is taken to the planet of Tatooine. The last image of Obi-Wan is of him riding off into twin suns settling across the Jundtland Wastes on the back of an Eeopie.

On the planet of Dagobah, Yoda inspects his new dewllings as the baby girl Leia is handed into the loving hands of the Queen of Aldeeran by the Prince Consort, Bail Organa.

They also posted this item featuring details on Yoda's last stand:

Yoda removes his lightsaber and the Great Battle begins. With speed and veracity it moves closer to the huge Chancellor's Pod that occupies the middle of the room until the Jedi and the Sith are upon its great foundations. Suddenly, the pod begins to rise as the two combatants battle it out...

The Chancellor's podium continues to rise into the vast empty space of the Senate arena. In the middle of the Senate, bolts of lightning flash from the pod. Suddenly, delegation pods free themselves of the curving walls and slam throughout the chamber - some by the use of the Force, others by the control panels.

Sidious jumps onto one of the flying pods. Yoda goes to follow but is hit by a bolt of lightening and falls. Sidious, exhausted, looks down into the debris below, but Yoda is not to be seen.

Visit the link above for more. You can also see a few new bootleg photos that have popped up: Palpatine's Antechamber, View 2

Finally, readers at the TFN Jedi Council stumbled upon an audio interview with Samuel L. Jackson that was not yet made public (and subsequently deleted). Here's an interesting quote from the interview (highlight to read spoilers):

"So I think my (Mace's) choice is clouded by the fact that we aren't seeing clearly. That our (Jedi's) ability to make decisions and use the Force has been disrupted in such a way that in a better time, I would have made the right choice and I would have just killed him (Palpatine) when I had the opportunity to kill him...and not take him to justice. And that would have changed the outcome of everything, but I didn't. And things go the way they go, but that's just how it happens."

"But I'm pleased with the drama of it all and the fact that it's clear that I'm standing there, and I'm winning this battle actually...even without Anakin's help up until he steps in, and does what he does to turn the tide...and that I go out the way I do. I've been begging not to die in my sleep or get stabbed in the back by some clone. And it didn't happen, so I'm happy."

Enjoy.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-23 06:11am

More spoilers from comingsoon.net about the upcoming trailer for RotS;

Revenge of the Sith Trailer Description
Source: TheForce.net
January 20, 2005

TheForce.net got a description of the next Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith trailer. Here's a sample:

The trailer begins with the following exchange:

Palpatine: "The Dark Side of the Force is the pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural."

Anakin: "Is it possible to learn this power?"

Palpatine: "Not from a Jedi."

We are then introduced to the political maneuvering of Palpatine, Obi-Wan and Mace Windu. All of them actually want to use Anakin as a pawn in their game (Palpatine makes Anakin his "personal representative on the Jedi Council" while Obi-Wan wants him to "report on all the Chancellor's dealings"). The first minute or so is surprisingly heavy on dialogue and consists mostly of shots of various characters speaking to each other (intercut with short glimpses of evil droids, space battles etc.). We even see how Mace Windu and three other Jedi attempt to arrest Palpatine (he grabs the lightsaber and confronts them). When Mace Windu tells Anakin "You are on this council but we do not grant you the rank of Master", Anakin loses it and joins the Dark Side (Sidious: "Every single Jedi is now an enemy of the Republic"). At least that's how the trailer makes it look.

Visit the link above for more!

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-01-23 07:05am

I'd prefer confirmation on that Labyrinth of Evil stuff. A few issues I have with it:

1. Sifo-Dyas actually placing the order rather than Dooku simply impersonating him sounds like an unecessary bit of complexity, from a plot standpoint. Of course, I suppose Dooku had to do something evil to become Darth Tyranus.

2.

Dooku and Palpatine about drawing Anakin into their trap/test....

Palpatine was hardly the prize he appeared to be. The greater prize, Sidious had told Dooku during the most recent communication, was Anakin Skywalker.

"Long have you watched him," Dooku had said, repeating words Sidious himself had spoken.

"Longer than you know, Lord Tyranus. Longer than you know. And the time has come to test him again."

"His skills, my lord?"

"The depth of his anger. His willingness to go beyond the Force, as the Jedi know it and to call on the power of the dark side. General Grievous will activate a special beacon that will call Skywalker and Kenobi back to Coruscant, and onto the stage we will set for them."

But not to capture them.

"You will duel them," Sidious had said. Kill Kenobi. His only purpose is to die and, in so doing, ignite young Skywalker to tap the depths of his fear and rage. Should you defeat Skywalker easily, then we will know that he is not prepared to serve us. Perhaps he never will be prepared. Should he by some fluke best you, however, I will control the outcome to spare you any unnecessary embarrassment, and we will have gained a powerful ally. But above all you must make the contest appear real, Lord Tyranus."

Wait wait wait wait *wait*.

Does Dooku know Palpatine = Sidious, or not?

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-23 07:23am

Vympel wrote:I'd prefer confirmation on that Labyrinth of Evil stuff. A few issues I have with it:

1. Sifo-Dyas actually placing the order rather than Dooku simply impersonating him sounds like an unecessary bit of complexity, from a plot standpoint. Of course, I suppose Dooku had to do something evil to become Darth Tyranus.

Oh I don't know. It kinda makes it interesting that Palpy is also good at using other people's actions meant to hurt him, as leaverage against them.

2. <snip>
Wait wait wait wait *wait*.

Does Dooku know Palpatine = Sidious, or not?

It looks like (from this excerpt) that Dooku is as blind as the cast of Smallville, which is really stupid.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-01-23 07:59am

Nope, I´m pretty sure he knows Palpatine and Sidious are one and the same, otherwise why would he trust that Sidious would immediatly help him if the duel goes in Anakin´s favor, if he isn´t right there? (And if he has been lead to believe they are two separate beings, this could be explained due to Sidious Force-illusion trick. He could play it on everyone just in case. Don´t forget Sauron and his Annatar-disguise in LOTR

)

Sifo-Dyas actually placing the order rather than Dooku simply impersonating him sounds like an unecessary bit of complexity, from a plot standpoint. Of course, I suppose Dooku had to do something evil to become Darth Tyranus.

I fear this little plotpoint will not be adressed in the movie (I certainly haven´t heard anything about it) so it seems this novel is all we got. A bit stupid, but the Sifo-Dyas mystery could be seen as purposely ambigious in the movies themselves, and not meant to have an explanation (if you don´t look into the EU), only plausible alternatives. You need some mystery in movies after all.

Freeman's Trigger-Finger · Post by **Freeman's Trigger-Finger** » 2005-01-26 04:25pm

VT-16 wrote:Nope, I´m pretty sure he knows Palpatine and Sidious are one and the same, otherwise why would he trust that Sidious would immediatly help him if the duel goes in Anakin´s favor, if he isn´t right there? (And if he has been lead to believe they are two separate beings, this could be explained due to Sidious Force-illusion trick. He could play it on everyone just in case. Don´t forget Sauron and his Annatar-disguise in LOTR )

But then if Dooku does know of Palpatine's other identity, why would he dare pull such a stunt as to order the capture of Sidious in ROTS? Surely he doesn't beleive that he could contain and force negotiations on a Sith lord to whom he knows is mightier in the energies of the dark-side then himself, hm?

Sifo-Dyas actually placing the order rather than Dooku simply impersonating him sounds like an unecessary bit of complexity, from a plot standpoint. Of course, I suppose Dooku had to do something evil to become Darth Tyranus.

I'm sure it's nothing some EU can't touch upon at one point or another, at least it can be our source of conjecture for a while to come, until it does.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-01-26 05:26pm

Freeman's Trigger-Finger wrote:But then if Dooku does know of Palpatine's other identity, why would he dare pull such a stunt as to order the capture of Sidious in ROTS? Surely he doesn't beleive that he could contain and force negotiations on a Sith lord to whom he knows is mightier in the energies of the dark-side then himself, hm?

Um, Dooku is commanding the Confederacy and fighting the war as per Sideous' wishes. Palpatine more than likely told Dooku to capture him, as part of the final stages of the war, but probably didn't have any idea that his master would also use the situation to have Anakin serve as his executioner.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-01-26 10:30pm

Opening crawl to ROTS:

+http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts ... dexp2.html

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-01-26 10:43pm

Ah, I figured. The opening battle is the Republic trying to prevent the Confederacy from retreating.

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2005-01-26 11:39pm

I love the "War!" as the first word. It gives me an immediate sense of excitement. The "Evil is everywhere" is really awkward, however, and I think it shouldn't be there. Also, the crawl probably should have mentioned Obi-wan and Anakin by name. Oh well.

You can't any more campy than "the fiendish droid leader, General Grievous..."

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2005-01-27 01:56am

Good to finally know what the final title scroll will be.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2005-01-27 02:37am

This new opening crawl feels more like an old timey newsreel.

The beginning "War!" feels a little silly.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2005-01-27 02:38am

Gandalf wrote:The beginning "War!" feels a little silly.

Some would say the same of the entire prequel trilogy...

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-01-27 03:25am

Gandalf wrote:The beginning "War!" feels a little silly.

No, it doesn't.

JME2 wrote:Some would say the same of the entire prequel trilogy...

Shh.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-01-27 03:44am

"The Fiendish General Grevious..." Great. Now I'm going to be thinking of Dick Dastardly all through the film.

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2005-01-27 05:09am

NecronLord wrote:"The Fiendish General Grevious..." Great. Now I'm going to be thinking of Dick Dastardly all through the film.

Steal the Chancellor! Roger, you snickering bot, when it comes to tactics you ain't so hot, that blaster you carry in your skeletal frame, is utterly useless due to absence of aim, sooo steal the chancellor, steal the chancellor.

And I agree, the War! makes it sound like a 1940's newsreel. Read it with a posh british accent and add 'go get 'em, boys' to the end, and it's almost eery.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-01-27 05:44am

And I agree, the War! makes it sound like a 1940's newsreel.

And that may be the intent.

"The Fiendish General Grevious..."

That definitely makes it seem like a 1940's newsreel. With all the different tanks and anti-aircraft artillery I´m getting a WW II wibe in this one.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2005-01-27 05:47am

Its "The fiendish droid leader, General Grievous. It sounds less stupid when you quote it properly. At least IMO it does.

For the rest of it, its almost my favorite opening crawl so far. Although it should say "Yet evil is everywhere" in that one part. Its just one little additional word but it would make it much less awkward IMO.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-01-27 08:27am

VT-16 wrote:
And I agree, the War! makes it sound like a 1940's newsreel.
And that may be the intent.

"The Fiendish General Grevious..."
That definitely makes it seem like a 1940's newsreel. With all the different tanks and anti-aircraft artillery I´m getting a WW II wibe in this one.

And why not? Episodes IV - VI all had shots interposed from WWII stock footage, so it's hardly strange.

Oh and I agree with President Sharky, they should mention Anakin and Obi-Wan by name.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-01-27 08:31am

Not to mention the whole "modern space opera serial" thing...

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2005-01-27 05:37pm

Jesus H Christ in a gay dinner theatre, people...

Ep 4:

Pursued by the Empire's sinister agents..

Ep. 5:

The evil Lord Darth Vader...

Ep.6:

Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster, Jabba The Hutt.

Yeah, Lucas is just pissing all over Star Wars with these prequels.....

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-01-27 06:29pm

Icehawk wrote:Although it should say "Yet evil is everywhere" in that one part. Its just one little additional word but it would make it much less awkward IMO.

Yeah, it is awkward in this state. My take would be either "There are heroes on both sides, for evil is everywhere" or "There are heroes on both sides, but evil is/lurks everywhere".