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United States Navy being t3h 3\/al by helping villagers instead of media whores:

http://www.cvn72.navy.mil/

Abraham Lincoln Press Release:
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Sailors’ know-how returns hospital’s power
By JO3 Michael Hart - USS Abraham Lincoln Public Affairs

USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) at sea – Sailors aboard USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) recently helped restore a Banda Aceh hospital’s electrical power by replacing bad components in the hospital’s emergency generator.
When electrical power was lost Dec. 26, the generator started and continued to operate until it was turned off.

“They told us that the engine started just like it should after the power went out from the tsunami,” said Lt.j.g. Bradley DanDurand, Abe’s repair officer. “The wave came in and the water level went up and the engine ran through the whole thing. They eventually turned the engine off, then when they went to turn it back on, it wouldn’t start.”

The generator was not broken for long. As DanDurand and his team inspected the engine, they discovered it was a familiar design.

“It’s a big, American-made, Caterpillar diesel engine, so it’s not a big deal to look at a few parts on it,” said DanDurand. “We checked out the starter and it sounded like the solenoids were trying to engage but they just kept spinning. So after looking the engine over we thought it could be a couple of things. The batteries could have been dead, the starter wasn’t working quite right or the alternator died as well.”

Both the engine’s starter and alternator were brought back to Abe. The parts needed to be tested and repaired if possible.

“I pulled the starter and alternator off, brought them back to the ship and gave them to Engineering’s E Division and Aircraft Intermediate Maintenance Department,” said DanDurand. “They worked together to get both parts in good working order.”

Even though both parts were re-built and in working order, an extra alternator was sent ashore just in case the old one didn’t work. The fact that Abe had a similar alternator was pure luck for, not only DanDurand’s team, but the hospital as well.

“We took the original starter off the engine and cleaned it up, tested it so it would work off the ship, then we packed it up,” he said. “We also packed up the old alternator and a new alternator that we just happened to have on board.”

DanDurand explained that a piece of aircraft support equipment Lincoln uses has a similar alternator.

With the refurbished parts packed up and ready to go ashore, it was only a matter of time before the local hospital would have electricity.

“The generator didn’t kick on immediately,” DanDurand added. “The batteries we had didn’t have enough power to turn the generator on. Luckily we had a booster with us and got the generator to fire up.”

After the generator started, there was one more task that needed to be completed.

“We had two medical representatives with us, they went over to the hospital and told the hospital administrators that the generator was running,” said DanDurand. “The hospital staff was in disbelief when we informed them that the engine was running. It was a great feeling and all that were involved were ecstatic.”

Thanks to a working knowledge of engines, elbow grease and a little luck, Abe Sailors were able to supply power to a hospital that was left in the dark. The hospital can now open its doors to the injured who come to Banda Aceh.
No blue helmets in sight. And unless you consider rebuilding a generator for a hospital is a 'drop and run' operation with a few MREs, well, someone's information is abit suspect.
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Nathan F wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:Your not getting the point are you?
They've been invited, they werent told they'd be paying and coming after the fact with the bill is asking to get told where to shove it. Also, interestingly enough, it's usually considered good manners and courtesy not to ask a guest to pay for things unless you've made it clear up front. And that's everywhere, not just the navy.
Lets use a little analogy here, Mr. Colton. You don't seem to understand what exactly a 'mess hall' is. Okay, let's assume for a minute that you've just been invited by a friend who is in college to come stay at their place for a while. They happen to have a meal plan that they've already paid for for their cafeteria. They go to eat some dinner, and, using their pre-paid meal plan they buy themselves some food. Do you just walk up and stuff your plate full of food, insult the cooks, and walk off without paying? If you do, then, well, you're one rude SOB, and a theif at that.

That's sort of how this is. They have been invited to use the facilities of the ship. Everyone else is paying for food in the mess hall, so why shouldn't they? It's common sense, and how you can even begin to argue against it is beyond my simple comprehension.
Nathan, that's rather stupid, to make the analogy right you would have been invited BY THE COLLEGE, and when universities invite guests officially to the campus, they dont expect them to pay at the canteen even though staff and students do.
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Nathan F wrote:
Chmee wrote: Here's the difference between thinking critically, and taking everything at face value:

If you take everything at face value, you read that quote and think 'Man, what a douchebag,' because it sure sounds like a douchebag thing to say to the hosts that are bending over backward to accomodate you.

If you think critically, you take into account the obvious and rather emotional bias of the person providing the quote, and you think 'Hmm, I wonder what the guy really said' ....

As Dan Rather learned, hanging your rep out there by unquestioningly swallowing unsubstantiated information can leave you in an embarassing spot. I prefer thinking critically, even skeptically.
There's a difference between thinking critically, and selectively accepting valid comments that support your argument or point of view. I'm thinking that you're falling into the latter.
I guess if there were some other party's uncorroborated and patently biased statements that I was giving greater weight to in this discussion, that would be a valid critique .... but I'm not, so ... ?
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Keevan_Colton wrote:Nathan, that's rather stupid, to make the analogy right you would have been invited BY THE COLLEGE, and when universities invite guests officially to the campus, they dont expect them to pay at the canteen even though staff and students do.
In my experience they do. They always bill me for alumni weekends and such.
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How many helicopters are involved in the US effort... hint... not one or two, just to be sure.
Indonesia is Crying
By JOC(SW) Douglas Stutz - USS Abraham Lincoln Public Affairs
Aceh Province, Sumatra – The seasonal monsoon rains made up for any lost time on 10 January, as squalls periodically pelted Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group volunteers throughout the day. The precipitation might have drenched their uniforms, but did nothing to dampen their spirit, as Sailors continued to help anyway they could.

“The rain made conditions rougher, but none of us minded,” said Abe’s Legal Department’s Seaman Benjamin Clay, from New York City. “There were a lot of people who desperately needed our help and just because it was raining, that wasn’t going to slow us down.”

The rainfall managed to thoroughly drench Banda Aceh airport and the surrounding grounds, which has been utilized by the various international aid and relief organizations, as well as various military personnel. Currently, the nations involved in Operation Unified Assistance include: Australia, Austria, China, France, Germany, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, New Zealand, Pakistan, Singapore and Spain.

The airport area has been converted into a staging post and clearinghouse for the food, water and other supplies so desperately needed along the coastal stretches where passage by road remains impossible. As lumbering C-130s and other cargo-aircraft arrive on the airfield’s tarmac, helicopters from Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron Two (HS-2) “Golden Falcons” and HS-11 “Dragonslayers”, and Helicopter Anti-Submarine, Light Squadron 47 (HSL-47) “Saberhawks”, continue to touch down on the adjacent soccer field-now helipad, to ferry supplies back and forth where needed.
That, by the way, is a lot of airlift capacity.

Still, the sky wasn’t alone in crying. Although more prevalent in Banda Aceh proper, there are makeshift signs sprouting up, just a few, along the mud-caked and rain-soaked roadways from the airport proper that aptly describe a nation in sorrow. Indonesia Menangis (Indonesia is Crying). For the wounded still arrive, and Sailors from ALCSG still are doing all they can. Seaman Clay is but one of many.

“I’ll never forget carrying this one stretcher that had this little girl with a broken arm,” related Clay. “She was so small. It really got to me, just seeing her, the complete sense of how much loss has taken place.”

If the Sailors weren’t answering the call to help assist with wounded, there was steadily growing mounds of supplies to unload from trucks and move to waiting helicopters. The rain slowed the transfer not one bit, despite the working conditions becoming one big mud puddle, and the cardboard boxes beginning to show the affects of being battered by one gust of rain after another.

But the rain from the sky is nothing compared to the wall of water that came from the sea. The volunteers from ALCSG intend to keep it that way for the tsunami survivors of Aceh province by continuing to do the best they can to assist, come rain or shine.

The ALCSG consists of the cruiser USS Shiloh (CG 67) and destroyer USS Benfold (DDG 65), both homeported in San Diego. Other ships include Everett, Wash. based destroyer USS Shoup (DDG 86), and Bremerton, Wash., based fast combat support ship USNS Rainier (TAOE 7). Abraham Lincoln is the flagship for the strike group commander, Rear Adm. Doug Crowder, Commander, Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group. Abraham Lincoln is also home to Commander, Destroyer Squadron 9, commanded by Capt. Jon W. Kaufman, and Commander Carrier Air Wing 2, commanded by Capt. Lawrence D. Burt.

Capt. Kendall L. Card, of Fort Stockton, Texas, commands USS Abraham Lincoln at the center of the strike group.
The helicopters have a lot to do. Playing air-taxi for wannabes is not not a priority.
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And this has exactly fuck-all to do with anything, thanks for the feel-good rah-rah PR story, though.
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A lot of people are busting ass in this situation ... it's probably why the kneejerk anti-U.N. crowd are so offensive in times like this.
In a multitasking race against time to confront the impact of last month’s devastating Indian Ocean tsunami, United Nations agencies are moving on numerous fronts, from the palliative to the preventive, from finding injured survivors in need of urgent treatment to saving coral reefs before irreparable damage takes its toll.

“Hunger doesn’t wait, disease doesn’t wait,” UN Emergency Relief Coordinator Jan Egeland says, underscoring the urgency – and the need for some on-the-spot improvisation – facing the largest relief operation the world body has ever undertaken for a natural disaster. “We need to be quicker.”

With the fate of a million people in the Indonesian province of Aceh, the most-ravaged area in the dozen countries struck by the 26 December tsunami, still being slowly assessed and anecdotal reports putting the death rate in some villages in excess of 50 per cent, treating the injuries and supplying the needs of the survivors is of major concern.

So when a UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) team was unable to get access to military flights to bring in 16.5 tons of emergency supplies to the provincial capital of Banda Aceh it quickly chartered a private plane for $23,000.

“Survival is still a critical issue and there is a continuing urgent need to find and help people who have been injured,” the UN World Health Organization (WHO) said in a report on the Aceh area, where security restrictions stemming from an ongoing war between the Government and separatists has hindered access.

“Treating wounds and other injuries continues to be a major need and an issue of pressing importance. That task has been made more difficult by problems of access and security around Aceh. As a result it is hard to locate injured people who need urgent help,” it added.

Just as urgent, if not more so, is the need to rush in clean drinking water to prevent outbreaks of diarrhoeal diseases such as cholera and typhoid which, in a worst case scenario could claim as many lives as the tsunami itself with its toll of 160,000 dead, half a million injured and up to 5 million people in urgent need of basic services.

Other diseases such as measles also find fertile breeding ground in the cramped conditions of emergency shelters. When two children came down with measles in one Aceh camp UN officials quickly oversaw the vaccination of 1,000 others. Other unconfirmed cases are being investigated in the town of Meulaboh and WHO warned that vaccination could be hampered by lack of access to a nationally sourced vaccine, the only one the Government permits.

Looking ahead to other preventive measures, WHO is raising the warning flag over potential mosquito breeding sites, with the consequent threat of malaria and other diseases, from the large expanses of stagnant water and debris scattered around Aceh. At present there are no resources available for setting up vector controls.

The UN Children’s Fund (UNICEF) is rallying to this effort. Even in Myanmar, one of the nations with the lowest toll of dead and injured from the disaster, it has thousands of mosquito nets ready for distribution to help families contend with the after-effects.

In a totally different field the UN Development Programme (UNDP) is providing equipment to clean up and help to help rehabilitate coral reefs off Thailand’s coast, threatened by heavy debris.

“We’ve seen suitcases, kitchen sinks, deck chairs and hotel backwash sitting on the reefs,” UNDP Deputy Resident Representative Hakan Bjorkman said. “This kind of unusual debris calls for special clean-up care…Coral reefs along the Andaman coast are not only a habitat for marine life, essential to the livelihoods of local fishermen, they are also a crucial source of income for the Thai tourism industry.”

The agency is providing a vehicle and boat trailer, rubber speed boat, global positioning satellite equipment, diving gear, underwater cameras and underwater lift bags to the Thai Department of Marine Resources to begin immediate work.

And looking further ahead to future prevention, UNDP has provided 190 tons of building material, including bags of cement, steel pipes, hammers and other tools, to the remote Maldives island of Naalaafushi so that all its 291 inhabitants can have a roof over their heads in new houses before the monsoon season begins in June.

Within the next six months, UNDP plans to reconstruct 400 new houses and repair 2,000 housing units in the archipelago, where the tsunami swept away 10 per cent of all houses, leaving more than 12,000 people homeless.
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More information on the aid being supplied by the US Navy-- another hint-- it is not just "Drop and Run" as some would have you believe.
By JOC(SW) Douglas Stutz - USS Abraham Lincoln Public Affairs
Off the coast of Sumatra – When Boatswain Mate Chief Brian Cissell answered the call for supporting humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, he knew he would be exposed to an environment quite unlike any he’d ever seen.

When BMC (SW) Cissell returned from volunteering, his experience in helping out in Aceh Province, Sumatra, Indonesia proved to be even more than he could initially comprehend. Such is one example of the physical and emotional debris left behind the deadly tsunami that ravaged the Southeast Asian country.

“There’s one word I’d use to describe what I saw and that is ‘horrendous,” said Cissell, from Louisville, Kentucky. “There is more destruction than the human mind can process.”

Cissell is one of the many volunteers from USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) and Carrier Air Wing Two that have daily flown in at the crack of dawn to toil all day until the last helicopter returns at evening.

“Our Sailors had working parties going immediately,” Cissell explained. “Even during the heat of the day, no one would lack on their duties. There were a few times that the call would come out that a helicopter was bringing in wounded, and everyone, and I mean everyone, would instantly jump to help. People would come running from all over. It got so we had to say that we only needed so many at a certain time.”

During one Medical Evacuation (MEDEVAC) bringing in injured survivors, Cissell helped carry the little daughter whose mother was being carted into the Medical tent.

“Her mom was in bad shape,” related Cissell. “As I followed, carrying her in to be close to her mom, she was very unsure of exactly what was going on. Right then, one of the corpsmen came right up and handed her a stuffed bear that instantly made her face light up. Just to see that smile, in the midst of such devastation, really made my day and completely restored my energy.”

Cissell’s original mission upon reaching Banda Aceh was to help coordinate the movement of much needed supplies of food, water and medicines. He also went on several helicopter missions along the heavily damaged coastline to deliver vital supplies at various designated drop-sites. “We were flying less than a few hundred feet off the ground and could see people heading there, wavering sticks with white flags attached,” said Cissell. “The view from the helo of the wreckage was just incredible. Much of the landscape was too devastated to land upon, and we had to head to the areas designated to drop the food off. There are so many people hungry.”
They are dropping and running only in areas they cannot land. And apparantly, the people there really need it.
“When we reached the drop-site,” continued Cissell, “I jumped out to help unload the supplies. As I was looking in one direction, all of a sudden I turned around and a crowd had just appeared almost out of nowhere. They all pressed forward to be handed the food and water. They were all in such a bad state. Whatever the people could put together is how they are living out there.”

Although a shred of normalcy is starting to show at Banda Aceh airport, the scope of damage and death is still widespread, especially along inaccessible coastal areas and parts of the affected hinterland. “On an additional mission like dropping off supplies to isolated areas, there is a feeling of being overwhelmed by all the damage,” mentioned Cissell. “It’s so hard to fathom. I simply can’t imagine ever forgetting the experience. A picture might be worth a thousand words, but to see the damage right there and watch those people trying to survive, I keep wondering if I can do any more to help them all get back to normal.”

According to Cissell, one of the reasons why hope is flickering in western Sumatra is due to the overall team effort by every Sailor attached to Abraham Lincoln.

“What we’re doing to make a difference is not restricted to just those going ashore by any means,” explained Cissell. “The hard part for those who can’t go ashore is that they can’t go ashore.[color] But, if not for our Reactor and Engineering Departments, there would be any water. [/color]There’s the maintenance crews’ keeping the helicopters flying. And our culinary specialists prepare food. Every CS and Food Service Attendant always asks what was it like out there. I can see it in their faces that they want to go. But if not for them, there are some people who would still be starving and maybe dead.”

I have no doubt what we doing is making a difference, and I’m glad to be able to be help,” attests Cissell. “And yes, I want to go back and try to do even more.”
The Navy is instrumental in getting power and water to the people in Indonesia, and getting vital infrastructure going again.

So, then, who's information about 'drop and run' is beginning to look thin? Sounds more like 'OMG t3h 3\/al AmeriKKKan m1l1tary' griping again.
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Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

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Iceberg wrote:And this has exactly fuck-all to do with anything, thanks for the feel-good rah-rah PR story, though.
Those Evil AmeriKKKans doing more!

Courtesy of our very own LOOOOOOONEEEEEEEEEEESTAR!
OUTSTANDING job on the donations today!!!! The amount given and the
money spent was tremendous, and will be very much appreciated on shore.

Thanks for all your donations, and to those of you, thanks for you help in
sorting, counting and bagging all the items!

Total donations:
221 bars of soap
200 latex gloves
162 t-shirts
100 surgical masks
97 toothbrushes
72 pairs of socks
39 pairs of shoes
35 underwear
29 bottles of shampoo
28 pairs of shorts
25 tubes of toothpaste
25 pairs of pants
13 bars of deodorant
10 towels
6 pairs of workout pants
5 sets of coveralls
5 packages of Q-tips
5 large bags of various foods
4 bottles of mouthwash
3 bottles of hand lotion
3 ball caps (1 2004 ALCS Champion Boston Red Sox hat)
2 cartons of baby wipes
2 toothbrush holders
1 bottle of vitamins
1 belt
1 box of bottled water
1 case of Cup O'Noodles
1 Patrick

Extra special thanks to xxxxxxx. His daughter gave him a
stuffed Patrick (from SpongeBob) for deployment and he has graciously
donated to the cause. I have assurances from xxxxxxxxxx that
we'll get Patrick into a child's hands tomorrow (Friday).

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Iceberg wrote:And this has exactly fuck-all to do with anything, thanks for the feel-good rah-rah PR story, though.
There was criticism given about how many US helicopters were being used, and if they wqere being used for anything important. They are.

But it is the Evil AmeriKKKan Military (TM), so I expect no objectivity from you.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

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MKSheppard wrote:
Iceberg wrote:And this has exactly fuck-all to do with anything, thanks for the feel-good rah-rah PR story, though.
Those Evil AmeriKKKans doing more!

Courtesy of our very own LOOOOOOONEEEEEEEEEEESTAR!
SHEP, WOULD YOU PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP. WE KNOW YOU HATE THE FUCKING UN AND THEIR FUCKING BLACK HELICOPTERS, OKAY?

The point is that this soldier, who is displaying all the contempt that many soldiers display toward the civilians they are supposed to protect, wrote a hyper-emotional, OH MY LIFE SUCKS SO BAD editorial about how the evil UN and the "America-hating" Dan Rather are taking over his fucking carrier. Taking something like that as anything but hyperbole is downright unreasonable.
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“Hunger doesn’t wait, disease doesn’t wait,” UN Emergency Relief Coordinator Jan Egeland says, underscoring the urgency – and the need for some on-the-spot improvisation – facing the largest relief operation the world body has ever undertaken for a natural disaster. “We need to be quicker.”
Yes, which is why the UN only has 2 helicopters, versus over 50 US
helos.
With the fate of a million people in the Indonesian province of Aceh, the most-ravaged area in the dozen countries struck by the 26 December tsunami, still being slowly assessed and anecdotal reports putting the death rate in some villages in excess of 50 per cent, treating the injuries and supplying the needs of the survivors is of major concern.
Yes, which is why the UN only has 2 helicopters, versus over 50 US
helos.
So when a UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) team was unable to get access to military flights to bring in 16.5 tons of emergency supplies to the provincial capital of Banda Aceh it quickly chartered a private plane for $23,000.
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10,017,906 lbs have been delivered by the US alone, or 5008.9 tons.
“Survival is still a critical issue and there is a continuing urgent need to find and help people who have been injured,” the UN World Health Organization (WHO) said in a report on the Aceh area, where security restrictions stemming from an ongoing war between the Government and separatists has hindered access. “Treating wounds and other injuries continues to be a major need and an issue of pressing importance. That task has been made more difficult by problems of access and security around Aceh. As a result it is hard to locate injured people who need urgent help,” it added.

Just as urgent, if not more so, is the need to rush in clean drinking water to prevent outbreaks of diarrhoeal diseases such as cholera and typhoid which, in a worst case scenario could claim as many lives as the tsunami itself with its toll of 160,000 dead, half a million injured and up to 5 million people in urgent need of basic services.

Other diseases such as measles also find fertile breeding ground in the cramped conditions of emergency shelters. When two children came down with measles in one Aceh camp UN officials quickly oversaw the vaccination of 1,000 others. Other unconfirmed cases are being investigated in the town of Meulaboh and WHO warned that vaccination could be hampered by lack of access to a nationally sourced vaccine, the only one the Government permits.

Looking ahead to other preventive measures, WHO is raising the warning flag over potential mosquito breeding sites, with the consequent threat of malaria and other diseases, from the large expanses of stagnant water and debris scattered around Aceh. At present there are no resources available for setting up vector controls.
Yes, which is why the UN only has 2 helicopters, versus over 50 US
helos.
In a totally different field the UN Development Programme (UNDP) is providing equipment to clean up and help to help rehabilitate coral reefs off Thailand’s coast, threatened by heavy debris.
Yes, what a critical point, hundreds of thousands are dead, and they're
saving CORAL REEFS?
And looking further ahead to future prevention, UNDP has provided 190 tons of building material, including bags of cement, steel pipes, hammers and other tools, to the remote Maldives island of Naalaafushi so that all its 291 inhabitants can have a roof over their heads in new houses before the monsoon season begins in June.
And how is that 190 tons getting there?
Within the next six months, UNDP plans to reconstruct 400 new houses and repair 2,000 housing units in the archipelago, where the tsunami swept away 10 per cent of all houses, leaving more than 12,000 people homeless.
Most of the people would've starved by then, if it wasn't for the US Navy
feeding them
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Coyote wrote:But it is the Evil AmeriKKKan Military (TM), so I expect no objectivity from you.
Oh you're right, I'd better go burn a flag now.

Shut up, fuckwad.
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Iceberg wrote:SHEP, WOULD YOU PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP. WE KNOW YOU HATE THE FUCKING UN AND THEIR FUCKING BLACK HELICOPTERS, OKAY?
That's all from one ship, the Bunker Hill. And it was promptly delivered by
the Bunker Hill's own helos; the Hizzle has two SH-60s, meanwhile, the
entire UN only has two helos in the area.
The point is that this soldier, who is displaying all the contempt that many soldiers display toward the civilians they are supposed to protect
I was unaware we were supposed to use the US Military to protect the
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Iceberg wrote:SHEP, WOULD YOU PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP. WE KNOW YOU HATE THE FUCKING UN AND THEIR FUCKING BLACK HELICOPTERS, OKAY?
That's all from one ship, the Bunker Hill. And it was promptly delivered by
the Bunker Hill's own helos; the Hizzle has two SH-60s, meanwhile, the
entire UN only has two helos in the area.
Good for them. Too bad it's off-topic. The stupid editorial is nothing but more "Oh we are so underappreciated and persecuted" bullcrap from soldiers who ought to shut up and soldier instead of being so visibly contemptuous of everybody who isn't a soldier and isn't under military discipline. They volunteered for this shit. We didn't. And believe it or not, it's wholly reasonable for members of a relief organization to ask the Navy to bill the organization that sent them, rather than to request payment directly from them (I don't believe anything this man said happened in the way he said it, so tough shit).
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I'm not saying that the UN is 100% useless and inactive. The UN are doing things.

Remember, only part of the editorial was about the UN workers. The primary point was that vital airlift capacity was being diverted from aid and relief missions to ferry useless people on useless missions. That is the fucking point behind this article. The UN rah-rah chorus took the part about the rude UN workers as a personal affront and went off the chain.

The UN criticised the US Navy for doing nothing but "drop and run"-- I have demonstrated that this is not the case, and the UN rah-rah chorus here better realize that their bullshit can stink as surely as anyone else's. The Navy officer's criticsms and credibility were challenged by UN statements about the Navy's aid policy-- and those UN statements are revealed to be bogus.

The UN and the US military do not get along and do not like each other. UN criticism of the USN is nopt going to be any more objective than this Navy officer will be.
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In a totally different field the UN Development Programme (UNDP) is providing equipment to clean up and help to help rehabilitate coral reefs off Thailand’s coast, threatened by heavy debris.
Yes, what a critical point, hundreds of thousands are dead, and they're
saving CORAL REEFS?
What's the old saying, give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man to fish, and at least he's got a more useful skill set than Shep?

Infrastructure matters, but anyway thanks for maintaining consistency and letting the point fly far enough over your head to be in geosynch .... a lot of people are applying the resources they have to the problems. How fortunate we are to have such great resources to bring to bear ... how unfortunate that people see that as some opportunity to criticize people with less who are still busting a hump to work the problem, not sitting at a keyboard thousands of miles away second-guessing the right way to do it.
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Coyote wrote:I'm not saying that the UN is 100% useless and inactive. The UN are doing things.
Of course, but you wouldn't know it from the way the hard-right crowd rants about them.
Remember, only part of the editorial was about the UN workers. The primary point was that vital airlift capacity was being diverted from aid and relief missions to ferry useless people on useless missions.
Of course it was. The same thing happens when politicians go on useless "fact-finding" photo-op excursions using military vehicles. It's bad in both cases, but it's only a problem from the standpoint of a debater if he rants about one but not the other, thus demonstrating logical inconsistency (Elfdart comes to mind unless he joined in the chorus of people ranting about this, as do those who pooh-poohed his complaints about US politicians doing it but rant about UN people doing it).
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Iceberg wrote:Good for them. Too bad it's off-topic. The stupid editorial is nothing but more "Oh we are so underappreciated and persecuted" bullcrap from soldiers who ought to shut up and soldier instead of being so visibly contemptuous of everybody who isn't a soldier and isn't under military discipline..
Too bad The Diplomidad, which is run by a career diplomat in the State Department
backs up this Sailor's story.
The Diplomidad wrote:Well, we're heading into Day 7 of the Asian quake/tsunami crisis. And the UN relief effort? Nowhere to be seen except at some meetings and on CNN and BBC as talking heads. In this corner of the Far Abroad, it's Yanks and Aussies doing the hard, sweaty work of saving lives.

Check out this interview (on the UN's official website) with SecGen Annan and Under SecGen Egeland shows,

Mr. Egeland: Our main problems now are in northern Sumatra and Aceh. <...> In Aceh, today 50 trucks of relief supplies are arriving. <...> Tomorrow, we will have eight full airplanes arriving. I discussed today with Washington whether we can draw on some assets on their side, after consultations with the Indonesian Government, to set up what we call an “air-freight handling centre” in Aceh.

Tomorrow, we will have to set up a camp for relief workers – 90 of them – which is fully self-contained, with kitchen, food, lodging, everything, because they have nowhere to stay and we don't want them to be an additional burden on the people there.


I provided this to some USAID colleagues working in Indonesia and their heads nearly exploded. The first paragraph is quite simply a lie. The UN is taking credit for things that hard-working, street savvy USAID folks have done. It was USAID working with their amazing network of local contacts who scrounged up trucks, drivers, and fuel; organized the convoy and sent it off to deliver critical supplies. A UN “air-freight handling centre” in Aceh? Bull! It's the Aussies and the Yanks who are running the air ops into Aceh. We have people working and sleeping on the tarmac in Aceh, surrounded by bugs, mud, stench and death, who every day bring in the US and Aussie C-130s and the US choppers; unload, load, send them off. We have no fancy aid workers' retreat -- notice the priorities of the UN? People are dying and what's the first thing the UN wants to do? Set up "a camp for relief workers" one that would be "fully self-contained, with kitchen, food, lodging, everything."

The UN is a sham.
WFP (World Food Program) has "arrived" in the capital with an "assessment and coordination team." The following is no joke; no Diplomad attempt to be funny or clever: The team has spent the day and will likely spend a few more setting up their "coordination and opcenter" at a local five-star hotel. And their number one concern, even before phones, fax and copy machines? Arranging for the hotel to provide 24hr catering service. USAID folks already are cracking jokes about "The UN Sheraton." Meanwhile, our military and civilians, working with the super Aussies, continue to keep the C-130 air bridge of supplies flowing and the choppers flying, and keep on saving lives -- and without 24hr catering services from any five-star hotel . . . . The contrast grows more stark every minute.
Well, dear friends, we're now into the tenth day of the tsunami crisis and in this battered corner of Asia, the UN is nowhere to be seen -- unless you count at meetings, in five-star hotels, and holding press conferences.

Aussies and Yanks continue to carry the overwhelming bulk of the burden, but some other fine folks also have jumped in: e.g., the New Zealanders have provided C-130 lift and an excellent and much-needed potable water distribution system; the Singaporeans have provided great helo support; the Indians have a hospital ship taking position off Sumatra. Spain and Netherlands have sent aircraft with supplies.

The UN continues to send its best product, bureaucrats. Just today the city's Embassies got a letter from the local UN representative requesting a meeting for "Ms. Margareeta Wahlstrom, United Nations Deputy Emergency Relief Coordinator and the Secretary-General's Special Coordinator for Humanitarian Assistance in Tsunami-afected countries." Wow! Put that on a business card! And she must be really, really special because she has the word "coordinator" twice in her title!

The letter, in typically modest UN style, goes on to explain that "Ms. Wahlstrom's main task will be to provide leadership and support to the international relief effort. She will undertake high-level consultations with the concerned governments in order to facilitate the delivery of international assistance." Oh, and she'll be visiting from January 4-5.

Once, again, a hearty Diplomadic "WOW!" She's going to do all that in two days! The Australians and we have been feeding and otherwise helping tens-of-thousands of people stay alive for the past ten days, and still have a long, long way to go, but she's going to wrap the whole thing up in a couple of days of meetings. Thank goodness she's here to provide the poor lost Aussies and Yanks with leadership. The Diplomad bows in awe to such power and wisdom. The letter is signed, by the way, by the same UN official who suggested a couple of days back that the Australian and US air traffic controllers in Aceh should don UN blue (see our post of January 2.)

Ok, enough with the UN; you get the picture. Now to the EU. The EU could copy the Australian-American model of acting quickly and effectively to save lives, or they could copy the UN model of meeting at a leisurely pace to plan for the possibility of setting up a coordination center that will consider making a plan for the possibility of an operations center to consider beginning to request support for the tsunami's victims. Ah, my wise friends, guess which model of "action" the EU chose? No need to emulate those "cowboys" from Australia and the USA with their airplanes and loading crews working round-the-clock; oh, no, much too tacky, sweaty and dirty. No need to feed into the system those goofy Aussiyankeebushowardian New World Anglo-Saxons already have created. No, they'll follow the much more elegant Kofi Annan model. A couple of EU planners have shown up to begin making arrangements for an assessment team to arrive, etc., etc., you know the rest. Meanwhile, people die.

But all is not lost. The Dutch, who on occasion show the great common sense for which they were once justifiably famous, have signed up with the Aussiyankeebushowardian Core Group. Thanks to a European Diplomad (Yes, The Diplomadic insurgency has gone international!) we have in our possession a short situation report circulated by the Dutch at the most recent EU meeting here in this corner of the Far Abroad. This January 2 report is written by local Dutch diplomats who traveled to Aceh and saw the reality on the ground. We will cite the two principal paragraphs, and leave them unedited in their original rather charming Dutch-English,

The US military has arrived and is clearly establishing its presence everywhere in Banda Aceh. They completely have taken over the military hospital, which was a mess until yesterday but is now completely up and running. They brought big stocks of medicines, materials for the operation room, teams of doctors, water and food. Most of the patients who were lying in the hospital untreated for a week have undergone medical treatment by the US teams by this afternoon. US military have unloaded lots of heavy vehicles and organize the logistics with Indonesian military near the airport. A big camp is being set up at a major square in the town. Huge generators are ready to provide electricity. US helicopters fly to places which haven't been reached for the whole week and drop food. The impression it makes on the people is also highly positive; finally something happens in the city of Banda Aceh and finally it seems some people are in control and are doing something. No talking but action. European countries are until now invisible on the ground. IOM staff (note: this is a USAID-funded organization) is very busy briefing the incoming Americans and Australians about the situation.

The US, Australia, Singapore and the Indonesian military have started a 'Coalition Co-ordination Centre' in Medan to organize all the incoming and outgoing military flights with aid. A sub-centre is established in Banda Aceh."


Isn't that nice? Europeans with a sense of reality.

The only fault The Diplomad can find with the Dutch report is that it understates the role of the Australians in the relief effort -- they deserve considerably more credit than this report gives them. It's hard to praise the Aussies too much for what they have done in the wake of the tsunami. They are absolutely splendid -- too bad they've got that thing about that weird game, uh, cricket, is it?

Anyhow, soon I will return to my habitual corner of the Far Abroad and leave my colleagues here to deal with the UN, the EU and their Coordination Efforts.
Saturday, January 08, 2005

UNbearable . . . .


Saturday evening moving into night. We have a slight lull in the pace of activity at the Embassy; all of today's C-130s are loaded and on the way -- even my teen-aged son whom I can't get to pick up his room was unloading trucks at the airport. After a few calls, we managed to snag another hanger at the airfield to store the pile of supplies which keeps growing despite the multiple C-130 flights. It's a pleasure to watch the Australians and our guys work together. They're interchangeable -- except for that, that . . . uh, you know, that cricket thing . . . but for that flaw the Aussies would seem perfectly normal.

You don't want to hear about Aussies and Yanks working. You know all about that. You want to know about the UN. The UN, you ask, what about the UN? Gee, fUNny you should ask. I was just thinking about the UN. Yesterday the UN rep who flew up to Aceh solely for the event, held a press conference at which he criticized the US airlift of supplies. The little S.O.B sniffed that it was "uncoordinated" and that some villages were fed twice while others were missed and that no "assessment teams" were being sent. The Guardian and AP have picked up the story, but my internet is so s-l-o-w, that I haven't been able to find it and link to it. Maybe tonight the internet will speed up and I can find it. I learn from colleagues who were there, no journalist asked the little twit just how many people the UN had fed, and if, indeed, "assessment teams" are what is needed why haven't the gadzillion UN assessment teams hanging out in the capital moved into these remote villages. I'm sorry but I detest these Vultures more and more.

What else is the UN up to, you ask? Oh the usual that you would expect from an organization with a dozen or so well-funded agencies supposedly devoted to emergency humanitarian relief . . . no, no, not feed people or provide them medical care, what do you think the UN is, the US military or something? What is wrong with you readers? Has The Diplomad taught you nothing? The correct response is put out a press release in New York claiming to be doing all sorts of things that others, e.g., US and Australia, are doing -- oh, and catch the dig at US helicopters.

The local UNocrats, not to be outdone by their New York Vulture brethren, tore themselves away from the buffet at the Hyatt, and put out a matrix, dated January 5, that sums up what the UN has "done" since the quake and tsunami hit on December 26. It's a pack of outright lies and distortions.

My favorite entries in the matrix come from UNICEF (see the prior pre-tsunami Diplomad posting on the glories of UNICEF.) Under "Water & Sanitation," UNICEF tells us "Response team being deployed." Yessiree, that'll put water into dehydrated kids' mouths -- a "response team" which is not even here yet. Under "Health," UNICEF engages in a grotesque lie: The matrix lists a number of items as tsunami relief which UNICEF had PREVIOUSLY donated to the Ministry of Health -- this is known as "double counting" or "cooking the books." Under "Food/Nutrition," they list "Deworming tablets for 676,000 children (to combat anemia.)" How about combating starvation first? In the "Education" column we learn that UNICEF has donated "100 sports kits; 50 psycho-social kits; 50 uniform kits; 100 furniture kits; psycho-social training and supplies for 300 teachers."

Let the mockery begin . . . Oops! No, no, wait, my friends, the best, the best is yet to come!

Under "Other," UNICEF proudly boasts it has sent the one item desperate people most want, UNICEF Director Carol Bellamy! Yes, she arrived, took a tour, and gave a press conference. Just think how many people were saved by UNICEF flying Bellamy and her entourage out here first class, putting them up in a five-star hotel, and flying them up and back to Aceh, and then back to New York. Makes you want to rush out and buy those UNICEF cards and go out collecting money for UNICEF doesn't it? Carol Bellamy, Queen of the Vultures and the Supreme High Priestess, Con Artist Without Peer has graced these shores, we truly live in an age of wonders.

UNDP comes close to UNICEF in the brazenness competition. All the columns save one are blank. Under "Other," UNDP states "$100K cash grant for coordination + assessment; 2 Recovery experts sent to arrive 12/31." In other words, they've spent $100,000 to do what they're supposed to do in the first place, coordinate and assess; oh and they've flown two folks out here (first class, of course) who'll do something or another. Have they in fact arrived? What have they done since then? These are questions to which you will never get a straight answer. WFP, OCHA, and WHO can barely come up with anything to brag about: in fact, WHO (World Health Organization) has NO entries at all in the matrix' columns. UNHCR claims to have provided 20 thousand jerry cans for water, there's one problem with that claim: USAID provided the cans which are filled up on the USS Abraham Lincoln with pure water and flown to affected areas by USN Seahawk choppers -- the very ones that get criticized so very much.

Our folks in Aceh report that UN "coordination" means that the UN holds a meeting every day at 5 pm near the runway in Aceh. Every donor nation and NGO stands up and states what it's doing; the UN rep writes it down. Some times, however, it's hard to hear. The distinctive "whoop! whoop! whoop!" of those nasty American choppers and the roar of Australian and American C-130 engines on the tarmac can prove very bothersome to the UN rep as he tries to hear what everyone else is doing. Poor man! If only those stingy Aussies and Yanks would have the decency to shut down relief operations while the UN rep is trying to hold a meeting, after all, he's here to help, help himself, that is, to taking credit for what the others are doing.

One last thought. Who ever said Mother Nature didn't have a black sense of humor? Let me tell you a true story about an Acehenese cow. She survived the earthquake and the tsunami. On January 5, as she was crossing the runway a B-737 bringing relief supplies hit and killed her. The 737? Crumpled undercarriage and damaged wing. Nobody human hurt. Runway operations shut down until (please play Flight of the Valkyries) a superb combined USAF/USN team came choppering in with the most amazing gadgets and moved the thing off the runway, restoring full operations in just a few hours. To paraphrase the Joker, "Where do they get such wonderful toys!"

Back to the airport . . .
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Iceberg wrote:The point is that this soldier, who is displaying all the contempt that many soldiers display toward the civilians they are supposed to protect, wrote a hyper-emotional, OH MY LIFE SUCKS SO BAD editorial about how the evil UN and the "America-hating" Dan Rather are taking over his fucking carrier. Taking something like that as anything but hyperbole is downright unreasonable.
You are the poster child for hyperbole, he has in no way demonstrated "contempt for the civilians he is supposed to protect", you made that strawman up all by your lonesome self. He is showing contempt for the civilians that are exploiting this tragedy for their own gains in the media.

Unless you think the Deputy Mayor of Phoenix (and if he's there, you know other deputy-assistant- clerk & jerk types are there as well), MTV, and Dan Rather are there devoting their days to handing out food, fixing generators, restoring fresh water, and building infrastructure.

Believe it or not, but sometimes there actually are stupid, greedy media whores out there that exploit tragedy for their own gain, and they get in the way of real workers. Those people do indeed deserve contempt.

So.... fuck you too, you trough-feeder.
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AdmiralKanos wrote:Of course, but you wouldn't know it from the way the hard-right crowd rants about them.
The UN is useful in diplomacy, for it allows countries that despise each
other, to use an analogy: for India and Pakistan to cooperate "sorta" on
projects without having to officially say they're working together :twisted:
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Oh wow, to back up a blog entry, Shep references... ANOTHER BLOG ENTRY! What stunning rhetorical wisdom!
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Iceberg wrote: Good for them. Too bad it's off-topic. The stupid editorial is nothing but more "Oh we are so underappreciated and persecuted" bullcrap from soldiers who ought to shut up and soldier instead of being so visibly contemptuous of everybody who isn't a soldier and isn't under military discipline.

That is not even what this is about, craphound. Its about useless fuckers being in the way and contributing nothing. Go back and actually read, attempting to comprehend, what has been written here.

The UN is doing something-- I am not denying that! But what they are doing is a paltry sum compared to what the USN is doing there. They bitch that the US isn't coordinating with them... in actuality, they should be coordinating with the Navy, which has the initiative in delivering what is needed, in bulk... when they're not tripping over hangers-on.

This officer is trying to "shut up and soldier" like you want, but the people you're pulling the love train for keep getting in his way.
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Iceberg wrote:Oh wow, to back up a blog entry, Shep references... ANOTHER BLOG ENTRY! What stunning rhetorical wisdom!
When two different people in two different careers (Sailor and US Foreign Service Officer) come to the same conclusions; it's a fair bet to say that
they're not exaggerating. It's called multiple sources you know. I wouldn't
have posted the original rant if I hadn't seen the Diplomidad's postings
back at the beginning of the month.
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