Canadian military spending

[Ted]

Well, crappy equipment DOES force us to be better trained.

True, but it's a problem nonetheless. The crack sniper who scored the world-record 2430-metre kill in Afghanistan was using American ammo.

But it was a gun only used by the Canadian Forces.

And was it that guy who was sent home for mouthing off to a priest?

[Mark S]

Well, crappy equipment DOES force us to be better trained.

True, but it's a problem nonetheless. The crack sniper who scored the world-record 2430-metre kill in Afghanistan was using American ammo.

Yeah. Our guys who've won the Top Gun compitition probably did it in American planes too. Or maybe they have to anyway? I don't know.

[Sea Skimmer]

Well, crappy equipment DOES force us to be better trained.

True, but it's a problem nonetheless. The crack sniper who scored the world-record 2430-metre kill in Afghanistan was using American ammo.

Yeah. Our guys who've won the Top Gun compitition probably did it in American planes too. Or maybe they have to anyway? I don't know.

CAF flies American fighters only these days, F/A-18C/D, though what any of those pilots would be doing at Top Gun is beyond me. Red Flag or one of the other large scale training exercises sure, even the French sometime come to them, but Top Gun doesn’t normally have foreign students.

[Ted]

True, but it's a problem nonetheless. The crack sniper who scored the world-record 2430-metre kill in Afghanistan was using American ammo.

Yeah. Our guys who've won the Top Gun compitition probably did it in American planes too. Or maybe they have to anyway? I don't know.

CAF flies American fighters only these days, F/A-18C/D, though what any of those pilots would be doing at Top Gun is beyond me. Red Flag or one of the other large scale training exercises sure, even the French sometime come to them, but Top Gun doesn’t normally have foreign students.

We fly CF-18's, the Canadianized version of the Hornet. It's al;l built in Canada, too.

[Sea Skimmer]

Yeah. Our guys who've won the Top Gun compitition probably did it in American planes too. Or maybe they have to anyway? I don't know.

CAF flies American fighters only these days, F/A-18C/D, though what any of those pilots would be doing at Top Gun is beyond me. Red Flag or one of the other large scale training exercises sure, even the French sometime come to them, but Top Gun doesn’t normally have foreign students.

We fly CF-18's, the Canadianized version of the Hornet. It's al;l built in Canada, too.

Know what the changes amount to? A spot light, a slightly different ILS and the survival kit on the ejection seat has been changed. The USAF changes more on its Falcon fleet every couple years. Not even enough to warrant a new block number.

[MKSheppard]

Well, crappy equipment DOES force us to be better trained.

True, but it's a problem nonetheless. The crack sniper who scored the world-record 2430-metre kill in Afghanistan was using American ammo.

But it was a gun only used by the Canadian Forces.

It was an AMERICAN gun....the MacMillian....

[Ted]

True, but it's a problem nonetheless. The crack sniper who scored the world-record 2430-metre kill in Afghanistan was using American ammo.

But it was a gun only used by the Canadian Forces.

It was an AMERICAN gun....the MacMillian....

True, but was the yanks using it over there? No.

[Sea Skimmer]

But it was a gun only used by the Canadian Forces.

It was an AMERICAN gun....the MacMillian....

True, but was the yanks using it over there? No.

No sadly, we where forced to only kill the Taliban by the thousand rather then singly with our 24/7 air raids, helicopter gunship strikes, airmobile marine brigade, light infantry division and our hundreds of special operations soldiers.

[Pablo Sanchez]

BTW, in case anyone's wondering how our military got to be in this position in the first place:

The federal government is dominated by French-speaking Quebeckers.

I leave you to fill in the rest of the equation.

I've noticed that one province has a disproportionate representation in the Canadian government. What percentage of your population is French-speaking?

[Ted]

At most 10%.

[Pablo Sanchez]

At most 10%.

Then how the fuck do they dominate the government?

Let me guess: Disproportionate representation? (I.E., Quebec would have 2-3 times as many represented districts as anyone else)

[Warspite]

True, but it's a problem nonetheless. The crack sniper who scored the world-record 2430-metre kill in Afghanistan was using American ammo.

Yeah. Our guys who've won the Top Gun compitition probably did it in American planes too. Or maybe they have to anyway? I don't know.

CAF flies American fighters only these days, F/A-18C/D, though what any of those pilots would be doing at Top Gun is beyond me. Red Flag or one of the other large scale training exercises sure, even the French sometime come to them, but Top Gun doesn’t normally have foreign students.

The F/A-18 is only flown by the US Navy, so they have to practice dissimilar combat in Top Gun.

[TrailerParkJawa]

The F/A-18 is only flown by the US Navy, so they have to practice dissimilar combat in Top Gun.

The F-18 is flown by the Marine Corp too. Also there are several other foreign forces that fly the F-18 as well.

[Sea Skimmer]

The F/A-18 is only flown by the US Navy, so they have to practice dissimilar combat in Top Gun.

The F-18 is flown by the Marine Corp too. Also there are several other foreign forces that fly the F-18 as well.

Finland, Spain, Malaysia and Kuwait come to mind.

[Ted]

At most 10%.

Then how the fuck do they dominate the government?

Let me guess: Disproportionate representation? (I.E., Quebec would have 2-3 times as many represented districts as anyone else)

Not really representation, just that they got so many fucking laws etc... that they can control the fucking goverment. Besides, who wants Newfies in power?

[Warspite]

The F/A-18 is only flown by the US Navy, so they have to practice dissimilar combat in Top Gun.

The F-18 is flown by the Marine Corp too. Also there are several other foreign forces that fly the F-18 as well.

Finland, Spain, Malaysia and Kuwait come to mind.

Absolutelly right! Stupid of me to forget those!

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[Arthur_Tuxedo]

I believe the average person is growing concerned about our ability to meet international peacekeeping obligations. It's not as if we plan to invade anyone, and we're not concerned about the Americans (in the face of a Yankee invasion, what would we do anyway?)

Ahh. "Peacekeeping obligations", in other words, sticking our greedy dicks where they don't belong and fucking up the globe. Of course.

[Darth Wong]

At most 10%.

Then how the fuck do they dominate the government?

Let me guess: Disproportionate representation? (I.E., Quebec would have 2-3 times as many represented districts as anyone else)

That's part of it; Quebec has more seats than it should really have. The other part is official bilingualism. Bilingualism is a prerequisite for most forms of federal service, and while most French-speakers must learn English just to get along in North America, most English-speakers don't learn French.

This means that the vast majority of federal civil servants are from Quebec. Therefore, even if the leader were not from Quebec (although they usually are; the power structure is so heavily loaded with Quebeckers that it's hard to climb the ladder otherwise), the vast majority of advisors and staffers still are, and they will all exert constant pressure to service Quebec's self-centred agenda. Think of it as the biggest, most influential fucking special-interest group you can imagine.

In short, official bilingualism is ruining the country.

[The Dark]

CAF flies American fighters only these days, F/A-18C/D, though what any of those pilots would be doing at Top Gun is beyond me.

We fly CF-18's, the Canadianized version of the Hornet. It's al;l built in Canada, too.

Know what the changes amount to? A spot light, a slightly different ILS and the survival kit on the ejection seat has been changed. The USAF changes more on its Falcon fleet every couple years. Not even enough to warrant a new block number.

Yeah, Canada has no remaining military aircraft development. The last one I can remember is the CF-105 Arrow, which was back in the late 70s/early 80s. There was a Canadian detachment at an airshow I attended with the Canadian version of the P-80 Shooting Star.

And you're right about the changes being minor, though you missed that the electronics are (IIRC) slightly downgraded, since they don't use classified parts. But the F-16 Falcon/Viper does change more with each block than the difference between the F/A-18 Hornet and the CF-18 Hornet.

[Raptor 597]

Yeah, The Dark Canada is just copying shit off the US, and give it a new name. Though they still have the M-16 variant the M-5 some respect is still deserved though.

[Oberleutnant]

That's part of it; Quebec has more seats than it should really have. The other part is official bilingualism. Bilingualism is a prerequisite for most forms of federal service, and while most French-speakers must learn English just to get along in North America, most English-speakers don't learn French.

This means that the vast majority of federal civil servants are from Quebec. Therefore, even if the leader were not from Quebec (although they usually are; the power structure is so heavily loaded with Quebeckers that it's hard to climb the ladder otherwise), the vast majority of advisors and staffers still are, and they will all exert constant pressure to service Quebec's self-centred agenda. Think of it as the biggest, most influential fucking special-interest group you can imagine.

In short, official bilingualism is ruining the country.

Heh, there's a similar system in Finland as well. We too are a bilingual country, which means that Swedish is mandatory for every Finnish speaking person to study at high-school and vice versa. Sounds fair, doesn't it? Well, the problem is that the Swedish minority comprises only six percent of our population. I don't know any other country in the world which forces its people to learn a language spoken by only eight million people in the world. A large part of the Swedish minority, especially the older people, don't speak a word of Finnish.

The Swedish minority is spread across the western coast and some larger cities, so that they don't have a consolidated power like the Quebecs. There is an island off the western coast where 30,000 people live - all of them Swedish speaking - and they have an autonomity. The Swedish speaking minority has several special advantages. For example, it's easier for them to get into universities with a lower score. Thery have their own digital TV channel and 25% of the programs on the non-digital state-owned television channel one are their own, funded by tax payers of whom 94% are Finnish-speaking. Many of my ancestors were Swedish-speaking and I have no personal grudge against our Swedish-speaking minority. Our system is just fucked up in some places.

Sorry for going OT, I just thought to mention that Canada is not the only country in the world with problems of official bilingualism.

We fly CF-18's, the Canadianized version of the Hornet. It's al;l built in Canada, too.

I've asked this a couple times before, but every time the question has killed the thread... How does the CF-18 differ from the F/A-18? Is it based on A or B?

The F/A-18 is only flown by the US Navy, so they have to practice dissimilar combat in Top Gun.

The F-18 is flown by the Marine Corp too. Also there are several other foreign forces that fly the F-18 as well.

Finland, Spain, Malaysia and Kuwait come to mind.

...and Switzerland. I don't think that there are other non-American countries who use Hornet. F-16 is a lot more popular in NATO countries, probably because of its slightly lower cost.

[Wicked Pilot]

Canadians can always use their soon to be increased military budget to invade Quebec and stomp the Frenchies.

[Darth Wong]

Good plan.

[Ted]

Yeah, Canada has no remaining military aircraft development. The last one I can remember is the CF-105 Arrow, which was back in the late 70s/early 80s. There was a Canadian detachment at an airshow I attended with the Canadian version of the P-80 Shooting Star.

And you're right about the changes being minor, though you missed that the electronics are (IIRC) slightly downgraded, since they don't use classified parts. But the F-16 Falcon/Viper does change more with each block than the difference between the F/A-18 Hornet and the CF-18 Hornet.

The CF-105 Arrow was a 1950's developement, it was THE most advanced aircraft in the world at that time, could reach mach 2.5.

[Vympel]

Quebec- only by being exposed to a forum run by a canuck have I learnt the true EVIL of this name.

So- what is to be done? Really seriously I mean. Change in the law? Not bloody likely if the Quebecois (that's what those hatfuckers like to be called isn't it?) are entrenched in the power strucutre ... don't those assholes want to secede? What would happen then?