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Florida Troubles (child torture)

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Incase you haven't heard, keep an eye out for these assholes.

Yes, the Subject of the Thread is deserved.

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Allegedly pulled out kids' toenails, beat them with hammers


Friday, February 4, 2005 Posted: 3:43 PM EST (2043 GMT)

CNN) -- A manhunt has been launched in Florida for a couple accused of torturing five of seven children in their home, including pulling out their toenails with pliers and keeping them so malnourished that they "looked like pictures from Auschwitz," authorities said Thursday.

Citrus County Sheriff's spokeswoman Gail Tierney said an arrest warrant was issued for John Dollar, 58, and his wife, Linda, 51 -- each of whom face one count of "aggravated child abuse/torture" for all five children.

The Dollars were the legal guardians of all seven children, although they were not their biological parents, Tierney said. She said the other two children were said to be "favorites" of the Dollars, and were spared their alleged abuse.

The case came to authorities' attention two weeks ago, when a 16-year-old was transported from the family home in Beverly Hills, Florida, to a local hospital. The boy was bleeding from a laceration on his head and there were red marks on his neck. He weighed just 59 pounds, Tierney said.

"That was just the start of the alarming parts of this case," she told CNN in a telephone interview.

Authorities went to the home and interviewed the rest of the children, including two twin 14-year-old boys who were so malnourished they weighed a mere 36 and 38 pounds -- the weight of a typical 4-year-old.

"To look at the photos I saw, it was just extremely unnerving," Tierney said. "They looked like pictures from Auschwitz."

The Dollars are accused of forcing the five children -- who ranged in age from 12 to 16 -- to sleep in a closet in the master bedroom with a "wind chime affixed to the door so that the Dollars would know if they tried to get out of the closet," Tierney said.

In addition, they are accused of using a cattle prod or some sort of stun gun to shock the children, bonding them to certain spots in the house with chains, striking their feet with hammers and pulling the children's toenails out with pliers.

"There was evidence of damage or missing toenails of these children," Tierney said.

She said it also appeared as if the Dollars tried to keep them inside the home as much as possible, and each child was home-schooled.

In the incident two weeks ago, on Jan. 21, Linda Dollar was out shopping when the 16-year-old boy was injured. John Dollar was home.

Tierney said investigators believe the husband grabbed the boy by his neck, raising him off his feet and then dropping him. The boy struck his head on a fireplace, causing the laceration to his head -- information that has been corroborated by the other children in the home, she said.

All seven children were removed from the home last Thursday and placed in the custody of the Department of Children and Families. The Dollars were to appear in court for a DCF hearing Monday. They never showed up.

Authorities believe they may be traveling in a 1996 black-and-gold Prevost Marathon motor home with Florida tag number U06YAC. The couple may also be towing a 2000 gold-colored, 4-door Lexus with Florida tag number DH41D.

Authorities say anyone who sees the vehicle or vehicles should call 352-726-1121.

The couple moved to their Beverly Hills home last August from Hillsborough County, near Tampa. Before that, they lived in Tennessee with the seven children.

The children who were allegedly abused are a 16-year old boy; two twin 14-year-old boys; a 13-year-old girl; and a 12-year-old girl. The two who were not harmed were a 17-year-old girl and 14-year-old boy.

There is no evidence of sexual abuse, Tierney said.
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They were found in Utah (link)
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Another problem with homeschooling; sadistic fucks like this invariably use it to shield themselves from scrutiny. In fact, one of the most common vectors for reporting of missing or abused children is public schoolteachers.

PS. Added "child torture" to the title to clarify the thread subject. "Florida troubles" is just too generic. The first thing I thought when I saw the title was that it had something to do with voting or Jesus freaks.
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Darth Wong wrote:Another problem with homeschooling; sadistic fucks like this invariably use it to shield themselves from scrutiny. In fact, one of the most common vectors for reporting of missing or abused children is public schoolteachers.
And given my experience with the observational skills of most public schoolteachers, that's a very sad (though accurate, of course) statement. :(
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If these fucks are not placed in solitary confinement, I don't expect them to live very long behind bars...

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Edi wrote:If these fucks are not placed in solitary confinement, I don't expect them to live very long behind bars...

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Would be nice if they weren't placed in solitary confinement, as the inevitable inmate justice would be well deserved. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening for the "ethical" reasons those perky people would argue.
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Now, to restore justice to the world, these fucks should be sent to Guntanamo Bay and given the whole interrogation treatment. Let's see how long they last. :twisted:

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This is one of the sickest things I have heard in a while. I will never understand how a person could be this sick, to hurt a small, helpless child. :evil:
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Mother....FUCKERS!

Fucking waste of a cell. That's fucking all.
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Starve them, pull out their nails, and taser them. That would be justice for these sick fucks.
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I wonder why we have this notion that people who do things to children should be harmed worse than those who might do the same thing to an adult as justice or retribution.

This isn't to say I disagree with the notion; those people are major assholes and I wouldn't bat an eyelash if the things suggested by others in this thread befell them. I'm just curious.
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one wonders if they will be shot while trying to escape.
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Mitth`raw`nuruodo wrote:I wonder why we have this notion that people who do things to children should be harmed worse than those who might do the same thing to an adult as justice or retribution.

This isn't to say I disagree with the notion; those people are major assholes and I wouldn't bat an eyelash if the things suggested by others in this thread befell them. I'm just curious.
Because compared to adults, children are relatively helpless. Thus, it takes an even bigger asshole to do this to a kid (let alone 5 of them!) than to do this to an adult.
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I'm sure spending the rest of their lives in prison constantly in fear of being brutally killed by another inmate will surfice as adequate punishment.
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Wicked Pilot wrote:I'm sure spending the rest of their lives in prison constantly in fear of being brutally killed by another inmate will surfice as adequate punishment.
No, no it will not. These worthless sacks of word ridden flesh should be tortured to within an inch of their lives, then allowed to recover, then tortured again. Make their life a living 9th layer of hell.
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Does anyone else find it vaguely amusing that whenever some horrific criminal case is mentioned people are instantly in favor of disregarding all legal and criminal processes in favor of mob justice?
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Yeah, and you get a single article followed by about a page of similar me-tooing shit before someone brings up a real issue. Those sick fucks...yadda...yadda. Of course they are freaks and nothing will happen to them that will be truly equitable for their crimes. Now let's get on with some discussion.

Mike raises an interesting point. Should home schooling be banned on the grounds than all children are legally required to be educated and that the average parent is not qualified to provide such education?
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Should home schooling be banned on the grounds than all children are legally required to be educated and that the average parent is not qualified to provide such education?
I've always wondered about that, since I doubt many parents are suitably well-versed in mathematics, history, English composition, and the sciences in order to properly teach, and the ones that think they are usually have an inflated opinion of their own intellect.

And, even then, most people who are homeschooled are homeschooled because their parents are obnoxious fundies who want to protect their children from the evil, evil secular education system.

I think it woul be best if education was centralized under the control of the individual states (actually, the country, but like that's ever going to happen), at least to the extent where homeschooling parents need to prove competance and ability to educate their children to an acceptable standard. That would automatically rule out fucks like this pair.

Although, keep in mind that this couple was not the biological or foster parents of the children, so that could be a whole 'nother factor.
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In all fairness, a good friend of mine was home schooled, and she's turned out fine. Better than fine in some respects, but let's just say I'm working on that. Course that's largely due to the fact that her parents are sharp and fairly tolerant, if a bit overprotective. And, well...public schools /SUCK/, speaking from experience, so I can't fault people for wanting to dodge them.
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HemlockGrey wrote:Does anyone else find it vaguely amusing that whenever some horrific criminal case is mentioned people are instantly in favor of disregarding all legal and criminal processes in favor of mob justice?
No not at all. I'm against capital punishment. I don't believe that the state has the right (or should have the ability) to kill its own citizens. THAT doesn't mean however that if someone did something to a family member of mine, or something so horrendous that it defies description, that I too wouldn't be screaming for blood. Yes, I'd want to see him put to death. I'd want it to be cruel and unusual, which is why it's probably a good idea that relations of murder victims don't have legal rights in these situations.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Mike raises an interesting point. Should home schooling be banned on the grounds than all children are legally required to be educated and that the average parent is not qualified to provide such education?
That is one part of my objection to homeschooling. The other part (more relevant to this particular case) is that homeschooling allows abusive parents to hide their kids from scrutiny.

Often when you hear about parents who have been starving, torturing, or severely abusing their kids for years, it turns out that they have been homeschooling them, which is not a coincidence. If you were beating the shit out of your kids and starving them to the point of obvious malnutrition, would you want them spending 7 hours every day in the company of strangers who were quite likely to report this to the police?

Homeschooling is dangerous because it removes one of the checks and balances on abusive parents: public scrutiny.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Mike raises an interesting point. Should home schooling be banned on the grounds than all children are legally required to be educated and that the average parent is not qualified to provide such education?
That is one part of my objection to homeschooling. The other part (more relevant to this particular case) is that homeschooling allows abusive parents to hide their kids from scrutiny.

Often when you hear about parents who have been starving, torturing, or severely abusing their kids for years, it turns out that they have been homeschooling them, which is not a coincidence. If you were beating the shit out of your kids and starving them to the point of obvious malnutrition, would you want them spending 7 hours every day in the company of strangers who were quite likely to report this to the police?

Homeschooling is dangerous because it removes one of the checks and balances on abusive parents: public scrutiny.
I'm not very educated on the home schooling system, but it sounds like you've hit the nail on the head. I've just got one question, are there any sorts of checks for home schooled kids? Do school officials visit the children being schooled to administer standardized tests or anything?
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Nathan F wrote:I'm not very educated on the home schooling system, but it sounds like you've hit the nail on the head. I've just got one question, are there any sorts of checks for home schooled kids? Do school officials visit the children being schooled to administer standardized tests or anything?
There obviously wasn't in this case. I know there are voluntary programs where you get together regularly (ie- weekly) with other homeschooling families for organized field trips, social interaction, etc. with a certain level of government assisted organization, but I don't believe anyone is actually forced to participate in these programs, never mind periodically reporting to a government agent for inspection.

My proposed solution would therefore be simple: participation in these programs should be mandatory. There needs to be more public oversight over homeschooling parents, to prevent more cases like this. This sort of thing is simply unacceptable to say the least, and I believe that parental privacy rights end where child safety rights begin.
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HemlockGrey wrote:Does anyone else find it vaguely amusing that whenever some horrific criminal case is mentioned people are instantly in favor of disregarding all legal and criminal processes in favor of mob justice?
It's venting your inner revulsion at the shear horrific nature of what happened. I do not really think that these monsters, or any, should just be subjected to cruel and unusual torture to pay for their crimes against others. But when you read something like this, you naturally want a sort of 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth' style reprisal against these people whose actions are alien to your mind and anathema to your morals.
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