No mud wrestling in the armed forces

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2005-02-07 08:59am

Female soldier demoted for mud wrestling

Monday, February 7, 2005 Posted: 7:50 AM EST (1250 GMT)

RALEIGH, North Carolina (AP) -- A female member of a National Guard military police unit was demoted for indecent exposure after a mud-wrestling party at the Army-run Camp Bucca detention center in Iraq, a military spokesman said Sunday.

The party occurred October 30, as the 160th Military Police Battalion, an Army Reserve Unit from Tallahassee, Florida, prepared to turn over its duties to the Asheville-based 105th Military Police Battalion, said Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, spokesman for detainee operations at Camp Bucca.

In the course of the transfer of duties, "some individuals in their exuberance decided to put together a mud-wrestling thing," Johnson said Sunday by telephone. "There were females involved, and some members of the 105th also became involved, one female soldier in particular."

Following an inquiry, that soldier was demoted and placed on restriction for participating in the event, specifically for indecent exposure, he said.

Four or five other members of the 105th who were spectators received counseling, Johnson said.

Johnson did not release the name of the demoted soldier. However, she was identified by the Daily News as Deanna Allen, 19, and the New York newspaper's identification was confirmed by her mother, Ladyna Waldrop of Black Mountain.

Allen was demoted from specialist to private first class. She is still a guard at the camp, the newspaper said.

The Daily News said it was given 30 of the party photos, and it printed several in Sunday's editions.

Waldrop said her daughter is devastated by the events.

"It was just a thing where she was coerced by a bunch of people, and with all the excitement, she lost her sanity for a moment and that's all it took," she said.

"It seems like they're just singling her out," Waldrop said. "She's the one getting all the publicity and punishment, and that's not right."

The 105th took over Camp Bucca on November 1, and photos of the party were found after the 160th had left Iraq, Johnson said, adding that he understood a soldier had turned over the photos to commanders.

Results of the inquiry were sent to the commander of the 160th, he said. "It appears from the commander's inquiry that this was primarily put on by troops of the 160th, who are no longer under our command," Johnson said.

It wasn't immediately clear Sunday if any members of the 160th had been disciplined.

The party was isolated, Johnson said. "Detainees were nowhere in the vicinity," he said. "They had no possible way of seeing what occurred."

A scandal involving the separate Abu Ghraib prison erupted last spring when photographs were made public showing soldiers taunting naked Iraqi prisoners.

Waldrop said she communicates with her daughter almost every day via Internet instant messaging, and they also see each other by means of a Web camera. "She's very tearful, very upset," Waldrop said.

Waldrop said she was proud of her daughter for joining the National Guard. "But I hate that this happened, and so does she," she said. The party "just got way out of hand, and before you know it, pictures were taken, and she didn't have time to react.

"My mom and I have both had talks with her that she's supposed to be an example for her country."

The Cleric · Post by **The Cleric** » 2005-02-07 09:06am

::shakes head at the stupidity::

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-02-07 09:11am

Dumbasses.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2005-02-07 09:34am

Many people fail to understand that when they join the armed forces, they in practice *own* them. To quote somebody, "your ass is mine".

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2005-02-07 09:58am

Slartibartfast wrote:Many people fail to understand that when they join the armed forces, they in practice *own* them. To quote somebody, "your ass is mine".

True.

However this stuff doesn't sound like it could be any worse than what the Navy does to wogs during crossing the line ceremonies.

Of course that's tradition.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2005-02-07 10:14am

Slartibartfast wrote:Many people fail to understand that when they join the armed forces, they in practice *own* them. To quote somebody, "your ass is mine".

Yes, but why is it that they need to do stuff like this?

Zed Snardbody · Post by **Zed Snardbody** » 2005-02-07 11:25am

I feel it neccesary to see the photos myself before I can agree or disagree that the exposure indeccent.

I belive the Army could be over reacting

Losonti Tokash · Post by **Losonti Tokash** » 2005-02-07 11:27am

Was this person ugly as sin or something? Because I can't think of any reason as to why some of the spectators needed counseling.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » 2005-02-07 11:28am

The guys in STRIPES didn't get in trouble for that!

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2005-02-07 11:29am

There could be more going on here than we see, but taking the story at face value I think the demotion is a little excessive. I would have prefered a simple verbal ass raping behind closed doors for all involved.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2005-02-07 11:36am

Stormbringer wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Many people fail to understand that when they join the armed forces, they in practice *own* them. To quote somebody, "your ass is mine".
Yes, but why is it that they need to do stuff like this?

Do you mean, why do the need to mud wrestle? Or why they need to slap them silly for doing it. Dunno, to drive the point home I guess.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-02-07 12:03pm

Slartibartfast wrote: Or why they need to slap them silly for doing it. Dunno, to drive the point home I guess.

Because the US military is supposed to represent the values of a God fearing Christian nation.

Seriously though, this is no worse than some of the shit the guys in my unit pulled. Like going "hogging" and then parading the girls before us in the barracks so we can determine who won, culminating with the guys fucking them in the common room for all to see.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2005-02-07 12:07pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Many people fail to understand that when they join the armed forces, they in practice *own* them. To quote somebody, "your ass is mine".
Yes, but why is it that they need to do stuff like this?
Do you mean, why do the need to mud wrestle? Or why they need to slap them silly for doing it. Dunno, to drive the point home I guess.

Why the issue needs to be raised at all unless it intrudes on unit and personal discipline I don't know. What I want to know is why does this matter? And why does it deserve a demotion?

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-02-07 12:16pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Why the issue needs to be raised at all unless it intrudes on unit and personal discipline I don't know. What I want to know is why does this matter? And why does it deserve a demotion?

There's a charge in the military, it's called "conduct unbecoming of a service member" in the Canadian Forces. The US has it too, not sure what it's called. Basically if they can't get you on anything substantial they slap this against you, and as it encompasses basically anything the Army doesn't agree with it sticks. Basically it boils down to the ethics and morals of the reviewing officer and what he's been ordered to do by his superior.

As to why this incident merits a demotion, you've got me beat. Maybe they felt someone felt that this made the Army look bad. But see my above post for an example of similar shit that goes down and never gets punished. Personally I think "hogging" is alot more damaging to the Army's reputation than mud wrestling.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2005-02-07 01:09pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:Personally I think "hogging" is alot more damaging to the Army's reputation than mud wrestling.

Someone non-military is going to ask eventually. Might as well be me. What is 'hogging'?

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2005-02-07 02:33pm

The Article wrote:Four or five other members of the 105th who were spectators received counseling, Johnson said.

Yes, I can imagine seeing female soldiers mud-wrestling would be a traumatic experience.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2005-02-07 02:36pm

Cpl Kendall wrote: ...culminating with the guys fucking them in the common room for all to see.

What would have happened if an officer stepped inside?

Brian

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2005-02-07 02:38pm

Durandal wrote:Yes, I can imagine seeing female soldiers mud-wrestling would be a traumatic experience.

'Counseling' in the military is a term for a loud one way discussion with the old man. A written counseling is the same, but a transcript of that one way discussion goes into your record.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2005-02-07 02:40pm

Lagmonster wrote:
Cpl Kendall wrote:Personally I think "hogging" is alot more damaging to the Army's reputation than mud wrestling.
Someone non-military is going to ask eventually. Might as well be me. What is 'hogging'?

fat chicks are easy to pick up. hence, hogging.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2005-02-07 02:41pm

Durandal wrote:
The Article wrote:Four or five other members of the 105th who were spectators received counseling, Johnson said.
Yes, I can imagine seeing female soldiers mud-wrestling would be a traumatic experience.

I don't believe they meant that kind of counseling. Most likely it was like a LOC (Letter of Counseling) which is used to correct habits or shortcomings which are not necessarily criminal or illegal, but which can ultimately affect job performance and good order and discipline.

Julhelm · Post by **Julhelm** » 2005-02-07 02:54pm

Lame.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2005-02-07 05:18pm

brianeyci wrote:
Cpl Kendall wrote: ...culminating with the guys fucking them in the common room for all to see.
What would have happened if an officer stepped inside?

Brian

He would have gotten to go to the front of the line, duh. RHIP.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » 2005-02-07 05:33pm

Lagmonster wrote: Someone non-military is going to ask eventually. Might as well be me. What is 'hogging'?

It's when a group of guys goes out with the intention of picking up the fatest, most disgusting girls they can find. You then bring them back to the barracks were your peers judge who one. Typically it ends with screwing them in the common room.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2005-02-07 09:50pm

Durandal wrote:
The Article wrote:Four or five other members of the 105th who were spectators received counseling, Johnson said.
Yes, I can imagine seeing female soldiers mud-wrestling would be a traumatic experience.

Well, whatever doesn't kill you will only make you harder.

Marksist · Post by **Marksist** » 2005-02-07 10:09pm

The guys in STRIPES didn't get in trouble for that!

I thought they did get in trouble for that.

All the MPs busted in the club and took everyone but Bill Murray and Harold Ramis' character, who the hot female MPs took away.