How many Borg Cubes to defeat a ISD II?

[His Divine Shadow]

I once saw claims of 15 TT borg shields, butthe person never posted the calcs for them for analysis. Normally I'd dismiss it, but it wassuppossedly based on a chunk of planet hitting the cube in scorpion, so I wasn't sure

That was from Michael January's homepage.

[D.Turtle]

OT:
Isn't it the follwing way:
1 Googol= a 1 followed by 100 zeroes. So 1E100
1 Googolplex= a 1 followed by one Googol of zeroes.

[Ghost Rider]

Hee hee yes that's a googol and googolplex


One thing Yogi...how the hell will they reach the ship if said ship already can detect them light hours away adn fire at them when they come into range.

Speed doesn't mean a damn if I can see you coming and have the power and speed to counter you. This just means you'll be coming into my range sooner than later.

[SirNitram]

That's if we assume that mass lightening doesn't reduce their mass to the equivilent of a tissue, LOL

Warp distorts Space/Time, but doesn't go outside it. Getting rammed by a ship going at warp WILL hurt.

Sorry, hitting distorted spacetime does not 'hurt'. It will cause the ship to tilt suddenly, attempting to follow the curvature, but it will not be vaporized or anything. Gravity doesn't DO that.

[Yogi]

Sorry, hitting distorted spacetime does not 'hurt'. It will cause the ship to tilt suddenly, attempting to follow the curvature, but it will not be vaporized or anything. Gravity doesn't DO that.

Actually, in Best of Both Worlds, Riker orders a course plotted at Warp 9 at the center of the Cube. He wouldn't have done that if the ship would simply have tilted away.

[SirNitram]

Sorry, hitting distorted spacetime does not 'hurt'. It will cause the ship to tilt suddenly, attempting to follow the curvature, but it will not be vaporized or anything. Gravity doesn't DO that.

Actually, in Best of Both Worlds, Riker orders a course plotted at Warp 9 at the center of the Cube. He wouldn't have done that if the ship would simply have tilted away.

Riker is a tactical and strategic moron who cannot conceive of conventional tactics. I am informing you that curved spacetime(AKA Gravity) does not hurt when you impact it. Now, the warp core of a GCS going critical will hurt. But gravity fields will not. Learn some physics before you spout off.

[Mr Bean]

Very simple Fokes Subspace is a alternative plan that interactis with this one very little but enough so that the faster one travels in Warp the more mass one looses, At .9C Mass is doubled according to Steven Hawkings and after that it quickly ramps up, One can never go faster than Warp 9.997 as one is get close to Warp "C" and thus slowing down as you gain more mass but as you slow down you loose the mass and a balance act is done


Ramming with cubes if very ineffecient as its barley as much as KE as two weapons attacks from thier main gun considering the VAST amount of Emtpy space inside

Or to put it another way
Cubes Ramming the ISD is like Try to beat a human to death with Ballons, Sure you CAN do it, but its pretty damn hard

[Ender]

I once saw claims of 15 TT borg shields, butthe person never posted the calcs for them for analysis. Normally I'd dismiss it, but it wassuppossedly based on a chunk of planet hitting the cube in scorpion, so I wasn't sure

That was from Michael January's homepage.

Got a link?

Cubes Ramming the ISD is like Try to beat a human to death with Ballons, Sure you CAN do it, but its pretty damn hard

And both are extremely funny to watch!

[His Divine Shadow]

Well I found the link here:
http://galactec.com/kynes/threaddb/index.html
Which is rather usefull in itself

The link to his homepage is:
http://users.iafrica.com/x/xr/xris/borg.htm

[Ghost Rider]

interesting link...some useful tidbits

heehee beating a person with Ballons...I would pay to see that.

[His Divine Shadow]

Actually, the 15TT figure was not from Januarys homepage.
This was based on ST:FC which is a much better source since for all we know, the asteroid impacts where in excess of what was required to destroy the cubes.

[SirNitram]

Actually, the 15TT figure was not from Januarys homepage.
This was based on ST:FC which is a much better source since for all we know, the asteroid impacts where in excess of what was required to destroy the cubes.

This sounds highly suspect to me. What calculations were they using for Fed weapons? Because this implies millions of 10MT torpedos impacted.

[His Divine Shadow]

I don't remember to tell you the truth, doesn't matter to me either way. 15tt = dead cubes

[Yogi]

Riker is a tactical and strategic moron who cannot conceive of conventional tactics. I am informing you that curved spacetime(AKA Gravity) does not hurt when you impact it. Now, the warp core of a GCS going critical will hurt. But gravity fields will not. Learn some physics before you spout off.

Since none of us have a very exact idea of HOW warp works, just that it involves distorting space-time (not mass lightening as previously claimed) it just goes down to was Riker a moron for ordering a Warp 9 to the center of the cube. Since the general attitue of this board seems to be that Jar-Jar Binks is smarter than the most intellegent Federation officer, I won't attempt to convinceyou diffrently.

[SirNitram]

Riker is a tactical and strategic moron who cannot conceive of conventional tactics. I am informing you that curved spacetime(AKA Gravity) does not hurt when you impact it. Now, the warp core of a GCS going critical will hurt. But gravity fields will not. Learn some physics before you spout off.

Since none of us have a very exact idea of HOW warp works, just that it involves distorting space-time (not mass lightening as previously claimed) it just goes down to was Riker a moron for ordering a Warp 9 to the center of the cube. Since the general attitue of this board seems to be that Jar-Jar Binks is smarter than the most intellegent Federation officer, I won't attempt to convinceyou diffrently.

Wah wah wah, I'm being persecuted because I'm not part of the majority, wah wah wah.

We do know how Warp works, thanks. It's spacetime distortion, AKA, gravity used in funky ways to cheat relativity. Mass lightening is also canon(Deja Q, I believe), so yes, this does massively reduce the impact energy.

As for Riker's moroncy, this proof comes from the various times he's had command and has fucked up horribly. Generations and Insurrection, anyone? Of course, it could be that I suggested a more likely event for why he would ram it at high warp, but you conveniently ignore it because it would ruin your position.

I'll let you whine like a baby some more, you seem to enjoy it.

[Cpt_Frank]

Hmm let's rate borg plasma torps at a generous 500 megatons, and you'll still need more than 200 to put out enough energy to drain the shields.

[Ghost Rider]

Since the general attitue of this board seems to be that Jar-Jar Binks is smarter than the most intellegent Federation officer, I won't attempt to convinceyou diffrently.

The Majority of this Board believes Jar-Jar is smarter than Kirk...where?

[Ender]

Since the general attitue of this board seems to be that Jar-Jar Binks is smarter than the most intellegent Federation officer, I won't attempt to convinceyou diffrently.

The Majority of this Board believes Jar-Jar is smarter than Kirk...where?

He made a joke thread about Wesely vs Jar Jar, wes in command of StarFleet, Binks as the Emperor, and now is whining about it.

What he doesn't realize is that most of the Trekkies here probably voted for Binks simply because Wesely is so hated.

[Illuminatus Primus]

How many Borg Cubes to defeat a ISD II?

Do they even have names for numbers that high?

Yes. one googol (I'm not making this up) = 10^100, which would defeat an ISD. Hell, they even have a name for the number of cubes it would take to defeat a DS - one googolplex (10^10,000)

Actually, a googolplex is 10^(10^100), in other words, one followed by one googol zeros.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Ugh, disregard the googolplex thing, someone already said it.

Warp distorts Space/Time, but doesn't go outside it. Getting rammed by a ship going at warp WILL hurt.

Somehow I don't see the logical progression of a ship being able to go to FTL without using brute force (not that you can go FTL using brute force) and retaining it's relative mass yet gaining an extra "kick" through kinetic energy from being FTL. I might be wrong and misinterpreting some scientific concepts, but it just doesn't seem to mesh...

But you -can't- use brute force to break through lightspeed. It isn't sound, special relativity is based on the fact that lightspeed is the constant by which everything is measured. You cannot accelerate to lightspeed (ie, by brute force, at least that's what I think you mean) because an object with mass can only travel below the speed of light, where as things that travel at lightspeed always travel at lightspeed. To reach lightspeed would increase your mass to infinity and require infinite energy, in short: impossible.

[Renewed_Valour1]

Ah, it's nice to see the difference in mindset between Trekkies and Warsies. The former ask "How many ISD's to take on a Borg Cube?", while the latter ask "How many Borg Cubes to take on an ISD?"

Ask a simple question out of curiosity and I get called a Warsie. I don't even consider myself either a Warsie or a Trekkie.

[Master of Ossus]

Who voted for 1-5? Is that a joke?

[Ender]

Ah, it's nice to see the difference in mindset between Trekkies and Warsies. The former ask "How many ISD's to take on a Borg Cube?", while the latter ask "How many Borg Cubes to take on an ISD?"

Ask a simple question out of curiosity and I get called a Warsie. I don't even consider myself either a Warsie or a Trekkie.

He was not necessarily referring to you as such, he was just pointing out the differences in mindsets

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

You cannot travel at the speed of light if you have mass. To do so you require infinite energy. And to travel FTL you actually need beyond infinite energy. Therefore you must "cheat." Hyperspace, warp bubbles, space folding, etc. Ramming will not work because it work fuck up the universe. You think beyond infinite energy would be good?

[SirNitram]

You cannot travel at the speed of light if you have mass. To do so you require infinite energy. And to travel FTL you actually need beyond infinite energy. Therefore you must "cheat." Hyperspace, warp bubbles, space folding, etc. Ramming will not work because it work fuck up the universe. You think beyond infinite energy would be good?

IIRC, it's a bell curve, not a rising curve. Only the center-point(cee) is infinite.