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It really is!
Among the key findings of the report:

· Various Saudi government publications gathered for this study, most of which are in Arabic, assert that it is a religious obligation for Muslims to hate Christians and Jews and warn against imitating, befriending, or helping them in any way, or taking part in their festivities and celebrations;

· The documents promote contempt for the United States because it is ruled by legislated civil law rather than by totalitarian Wahhabi-style Islamic law. They condemn democracy as un-Islamic;

· The documents stress that when Muslims are in the lands of the unbelievers, they must behave as if on a mission behind enemy lines. Either they are there to acquire new knowledge and make money to be later employed in the jihad against the infidels, or they are there to proselytize the infidels until at least some convert to Islam. Any other reason for lingering among the unbelievers in their lands is illegitimate, and unless a Muslim leaves as quickly as possible, he or she is not a true Muslim and so too must be condemned. For example, a document in the collection for the “Immigrant Muslim” bears the words “Greetings from the Cultural Attache in Washington, D.C.” of the Embassy of Saudi Arabia, and is published by the government of Saudi Arabia. In an authoritative religious voice, it gives detailed instructions on how to “hate” the Christian and Jew: Never greet them first. Never congratulate the infidel on his holiday. Never imitate the infidel. Do not become a naturalized citizen of the United States. Do not wear a graduation gown because this imitates the infidel;

· One insidious aspect of the Saudi propaganda examined is its aim to replace traditional and moderate interpretations of Islam with extremist Wahhabism, the officially-established religion of Saudi Arabia. In these documents, other Muslims, especially those who advocate tolerance, are condemned as infidels. The opening fatwa in one Saudi embassy-distributed book, published by the Saudi Air Force, responds to a question about a Muslim preacher in a European mosque who taught that it is not right to condemn Jews and Christians as infidels. The Saudi state cleric’s reply rebukes the Muslim cleric: “He who casts doubts about their infidelity leaves no doubt about his.” Since, under Saudi law, “apostates” from Islam can be sentenced to death, this is an implied death threat against the tolerant Muslim imam, as well as an incitement to vigilante violence;

· Sufi and Shiite Muslims are viciously condemned;

· For a Muslim who fails to uphold the Saudi Wahhabi sect’s sexual mores (i.e. through homosexual activity or heterosexual activity outside of marriage), the edicts published by the Saudi government’s Ministry of Islamic Affairs, and found in American mosques advise, “it would be lawful for Muslims to spill his blood and to take his money;”

· Regarding those who convert out of Islam, the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs explicitly asserts, they “should be killed;”

· Saudi textbooks and other publications in the collection, propagate a Nazi-like hatred for Jews, treat the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion as historical fact, and avow that the Muslim’s duty is to eliminate the state of Israel;

· Regarding women, the Saudi publications instruct that they should be veiled, segregated from men and barred from certain employment and roles;

The report states: “While the government of Saudi Arabia claims to be ‘updating’ or reforming its textbooks and study materials within the Kingdom, its publications propagating an ideology of hatred remain plentiful in some prominent American mosques and Islamic centers, and continue to be a principal resource available to students of Islam within the United States.”
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Hm, the Saudis were much on my mind today after watching the excellent Frontline: the House of Saud last night. Check your local listings.
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Enough of the fucking "Saudi Arabia" is our friend bullshit threads. The United States pulled out of Saudi Arabia quite a while ago.
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Irrespective of pulling out or not, they're still treated as if they're anything but enemies.
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What's worse, pandering to the Saudis or another energy crisis?
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It's good to be king ... or, like Prince Bandar, the nephew of four kings ...
Saudi Government Cleared From 9/11 Lawsuits by U.S. Federal Court
Wednesday January 19, 5:17 pm ET

WASHINGTON, Jan. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- Saudi Ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, issued the following statement:

"The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is very gratified with the decision by the United States District Court of New York to dismiss lawsuits against the Saudi government, government officials, leading financial institutions and prominent businessmen, who were charged with financing the 9/11 attacks.

"The decision of the court is consistent with the findings of the 9/11 Commission, which concluded after exhaustive investigation that there is no evidence of involvement in or financial support for terrorism by the Saudi government or the Royal family.

"The court has dismissed claims against two government officials: Saudi Minister of Defense HRH Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz and Saudi Ambassador to the United Kingdom, HRH Prince Turki Al-Faisal.

"The cases were also dismissed against a number of other parties including HRH Prince Mohamed Al-Faisal, CEO of three financial institutions in Saudi Arabia; Bakr, Omar, Tariq Binladin, current managers of the large engineering and construction company Saudi Binladin Group; Mohammad Abdullah Aljomaih's Estate, Saleh Abdullah Kamel, Abdulrahman bin Mahfouz, all prominent Saudi businessmen.

"The court also granted the motions to dismiss of three Saudi financial institutions: Al Rajhi Bank, Saudi American Bank and Al Baraka Investment Company.

"In the aftermath of 9/11, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has been confronted with many false charges. As the real facts emerge, we hope we can all move forward in the spirit of cooperation and mutual support, which is so critical to winning the war on terrorism. The people of Saudi Arabia sympathize with all victims of terrorism, and Saudi Arabia will continue to lead efforts to eliminate terrorism worldwide."

(The Ambassador and his wife, HRH Princess Haifa Al-Faisal, were voluntarily dismissed by the plaintiffs from these lawsuits in 2004.)

This press release is distributed by Qorvis Communications on behalf of the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia. Additional information is available at the Department of Justice in Washington, DC
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I know this isn't something that a 'lefty-liberal-tree-hugging-hippy' should say, but one day they* are going to overextend themselves, and I'm going to enjoy watching their bullshit rammed down their own throats.








*'They' in this case shouldn't be taken to mean muslims ad-hoc, but rather the fundamentalist regimes.
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Alyeska wrote:Enough of the fucking "Saudi Arabia" is our friend bullshit threads. The United States pulled out of Saudi Arabia quite a while ago.
So your definition of a friendly nation is one that allows you military basing rights?
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The US pulled its military assets with Saudi Arabia and began cutting ties. The US isn't friendly with Saudia Arabia. We do business with them. Its much closer to the US relationship with China. How often do I see people talking about abuses in China? We all know its a shitty country, and the US does business anyway.
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Alyeska wrote:The US pulled its military assets with Saudi Arabia and began cutting ties. The US isn't friendly with Saudia Arabia. We do business with them. Its much closer to the US relationship with China. How often do I see people talking about abuses in China? We all know its a shitty country, and the US does business anyway.
I don't recall the President's family taking skiing vacations in Aspen with the Chinese ambassador .... the family ties between the Bush and Saud families are fairly substantial (and it's not like Michael Moore 'discovered' this, it's been documented a lot better in other venues than in his little movie). We have a 'special relationship' with the Saudis that goes back to the formation of ARAMCO, and if the military presence there is less overt today, that doesn't mean the relationship is less intimate.
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