Suicides

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-12 11:59pm

data_link wrote:Except in this case, it is dumb. These people weren't trying to kill themselves because they were depressed, they were trying to kill themselves out of curiosity. This is extremely stupid because they wouldn't be alive to care once they found out. Many ask "what's the harm in just letting people believe what they want?" well THIS IS IT! They wouldn't have killed themselves if they didn't believe in an afterlife. In this case I AM making an argument against mainstream religion: flame me for it if you want, but this is proof that religion causes harm.

Religon and stupid people, it's a dangerous combination.

Sienthal · Post by **Sienthal** » 2002-11-13 12:04am

I say 10-1 that this somehow gets tied into the video game industry.
EDIT: I am dead serious about this.

m112880 · Post by **m112880** » 2002-11-13 12:04am

I remember hearing about a movie a few back where people were killing themselves to see if the after life and tunnel of light was real.

Also at my school a student killed themselves over the summer because he got droped from the basketball team.

You got to wounder about some people.

Post by **Zaia** » 2002-11-13 12:25am

data_link wrote:Except in this case, it is dumb. These people weren't trying to kill themselves because they were depressed, they were trying to kill themselves out of curiosity.

I don't think that is the real reason they were attempting suicide. Only the two who tried it really know, and sure, one of them lived and can share his thoughts, but would he tell such a personal truth to the public? I don't know, maybe. But I doubt it. My guess is that he might have given that reason because he thought it might sound cool to the other kids. Cooler than "I'm a loser/I have no friends/My parents are splitting up because of me/I can't cope with high school/I had a rough childhood/etc." Like I said, just a guess.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-11-13 12:27am

Zaia wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote:Last week two freshmen at my high school attempted suicide. One succeeded.

I later learned the motive was to "see what would happen."

On one hand... the death is tragic... on the other hand... did we really want that sort of thing to procreate?
I take it the two of them did this together? It's too random any other way. How is the survivor taking it? Watching someone die can't have made his life any better than it was before...

Reminds me of the article I read about this guy who shot his two nephews in the leg because they wanted to know how it felt to be shot. The nephews were 11 and 13, I think, and their uncle was 34. He was incarcerated for mind-boggling stupidity, among other things.

Yes, they did it together.

I don't know about the survivor; last I heard he was still in the hospital.

I *might* have heard something about the survivor being blind; I can't remember. It would make sense... I've heard of people shooting themselves in the temple of their head, only to succeed in taking out the optic nerves and blinding themselves.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-11-13 07:11pm

data_link wrote:
CmdrWilkens wrote:Let me put this bluntly and simply:

Don't joke about suicide.

I've been there. For most of my life I've been Clinically Depressed and some docs were gonna write me up as slightly manic depressive. I had at least two attempts on my own life but I never went all the way through with it. The motives that drive people to the point that they would consider suicide aren't rational...to us. For a person who is in the middle of a suicidal episode it comes down to a point that some emotion overwhelms their desire to live and they would rather fufill the wishes of that emotion than asceded to the will to live. It isn't fun, it sucks and it takes a LOT of help to avoid doing it again or simply curling up in a ball that never opens up. For nearly a year after I experienced my first nervous breakdown (right after my first suicide attempt) my only human interactions that weren't a neccessity for school were with my parents and my psych.

Why am I sharing this? Because as dumb as it might sound I simply hate it when peolpe talk about suicide as "god is that so dumb, they are idiots anyway," stuff. No matter what you may have heard the real story is undoubtably much different and far more complex. I talk about my experience so openly because its one of my ways of coping, I know there are those out there who think about suicide every now and then...I want them to know that it isn't a way out, staring at the grim reaper is not an experience you want to find yourself going through and if you think you are coming close seek help because there is ALWAYS someone who will help.

*edited for spelling*
Except in this case, it is dumb. These people weren't trying to kill themselves because they were depressed, they were trying to kill themselves out of curiosity. This is extremely stupid because they wouldn't be alive to care once they found out. Many ask "what's the harm in just letting people believe what they want?" well THIS IS IT! They wouldn't have killed themselves if they didn't believe in an afterlife. In this case I AM making an argument against mainstream religion: flame me for it if you want, but this is proof that religion causes harm.

1) If religion, Christianity, is to blame then somehow they managed to absorb the whole afterlife thing without the suicide means you can't get to heaven thing.

2) I seriously doubt that's the real reason, I seriously doubt it.

3) Once again those of you who make light of it ask yourself what you'd be doing if your best friend was the one who didn't die. Then ask yourself what you'd be doing if your best friend was the one who did die.

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2002-11-13 07:26pm

How old are/were they?

I think the "see what happens" is a viable excuse in their minds, I mean, kids do the strangest things for the strangest reasons.

How could two kids reach this stage in life so early? Didn't they consider the persons that they (would) left behind? And the surviving one has f#$#$d-up his whole life!

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-13 07:37pm

Zaia wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote:Last week two freshmen at my high school attempted suicide. One succeeded.

I later learned the motive was to "see what would happen."

On one hand... the death is tragic... on the other hand... did we really want that sort of thing to procreate?
I take it the two of them did this together? It's too random any other way. How is the survivor taking it? Watching someone die can't have made his life any better than it was before...

Reminds me of the article I read about this guy who shot his two nephews in the leg because they wanted to know how it felt to be shot. The nephews were 11 and 13, I think, and their uncle was 34. He was incarcerated for mind-boggling stupidity, among other things.

..Fucking STUPID

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-11-13 08:11pm

Uraniun235 wrote:
Zaia wrote:
Uraniun235 wrote:Last week two freshmen at my high school attempted suicide. One succeeded.

I later learned the motive was to "see what would happen."

On one hand... the death is tragic... on the other hand... did we really want that sort of thing to procreate?
I take it the two of them did this together? It's too random any other way. How is the survivor taking it? Watching someone die can't have made his life any better than it was before...

Reminds me of the article I read about this guy who shot his two nephews in the leg because they wanted to know how it felt to be shot. The nephews were 11 and 13, I think, and their uncle was 34. He was incarcerated for mind-boggling stupidity, among other things.
Yes, they did it together.

I don't know about the survivor; last I heard he was still in the hospital.

I *might* have heard something about the survivor being blind; I can't remember. It would make sense... I've heard of people shooting themselves in the temple of their head, only to succeed in taking out the optic nerves and blinding themselves.

I read somewhere when I was feeling depressed that the most effective way with a gun is to put the gun in your mouth and aim it 45 degrees upward.

data_link · Post by **data_link** » 2002-11-13 08:37pm

Pu-239 wrote: I read somewhere when I was feeling depressed that the most effective way with a gun is to put the gun in your mouth and aim it 45 degrees upward.

Shhh. Do you want the idiots to hear? If they found out about this, they'd start suiciding sucessfully en masse.

:Rereads previous sentence:

The most effective way with a gun is to put the gun in your mouth and aim it 45 degrees upward

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-13 08:52pm

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-11-13 09:24pm

Warspite wrote:How old are/were they?

I think the "see what happens" is a viable excuse in their minds, I mean, kids do the strangest things for the strangest reasons.

How could two kids reach this stage in life so early? Didn't they consider the persons that they (would) left behind? And the surviving one has f#$#$d-up his whole life!

They were both high-school freshmen.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-13 09:35pm

Unfortunately, suicides frequently happen in groups. When I was getting my teaching credential, we learned that if the school ever had a suicide attempt, we were to watch carefully for the next few weeks, and reassure our students that we were there if they needed to talk to someone. Fortunately, it never happened at any school I was teaching at, but IIRC the district did have a problem with that, once.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-11-13 09:37pm

IT WEEDS THE NON HACKERS FROM THE GENE POOL.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-11-13 09:53pm

Although any is a tragedy, when you kill yourself to "see what will happen", you need help.

If everyone s you, don't kill yourself, get revenge! That's what I would do?

I'm not suprised that freshmen attempted . With the right mix of stuff not going tiher way in life, they just might do it.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-14 12:44am

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:Although any is a tragedy, when you kill yourself to "see what will happen", you need help.

If everyone s you, don't kill yourself, get revenge! That's what I would do?

I'm not suprised that freshmen attempted . With the right mix of stuff not going tiher way in life, they just might do it.

A lot of people would do it with the right mix of stuff not going their way. It's unfortunate, but true.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-14 12:53am

It's true, and it's bullshit. Things can ALWAYS get better, if you have the guts to see it though, that is.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-11-14 12:58am

Master of Ossus wrote:Unfortunately, suicides frequently happen in groups. When I was getting my teaching credential, we learned that if the school ever had a suicide attempt, we were to watch carefully for the next few weeks, and reassure our students that we were there if they needed to talk to someone. Fortunately, it never happened at any school I was teaching at, but IIRC the district did have a problem with that, once.

Yeah, the band director said something like this too. He came from ... Dillon, Montana I think... he said there was something like 6 suicides over a course of 4 years.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2002-11-14 01:03am

haha

Stupid gun control laws.....

So what kind of height I need to jump to ensure death? I'm thinking calculating the energy required to fracture the skull should be enough, but given the usual plunge it might be possible that the whole body absorbs the impact energy. hmmmm........

*is depressed and thinking about doing it once a while*

I'm glad that the dead deserve to die using some circular logic.

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