The New Zelda

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2005-02-21 01:00am

Trogdor wrote:OoT and WW are connected because they tell you at the start of WW that they're connected. Also, while they never come out and say it, I think the general idea is that Link is reincarnated.

Didn't the King state the Link wasn't at all related to the Hero of Time?

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-02-21 01:38am

Anarchist Bunny wrote:
Trogdor wrote:OoT and WW are connected because they tell you at the start of WW that they're connected. Also, while they never come out and say it, I think the general idea is that Link is reincarnated.
Didn't the King state the Link wasn't at all related to the Hero of Time?

Yeah, and if you beat the game and start a new one and can understand the Hyrulean language, the fish mistakes you for the Hero of Time because fo your clothes then realizes that you are a completely different person.

The WW Link is not a reincarnation.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2005-02-21 07:24am

Praxis wrote:
Well that doesn't really say much. The Wind Waker follows chronologically after OoT too, so... And Aonuma stated earlier that this would not be a sequel to any game.
Well since the plain looked like Hyrule there was a lot of speculation that this would be between OoT and WW.

That's not compatible with the story told in the beginning of tWW. It says that the Hero of Time went away from Hyrule and never came back. The game could take place during the imprisoning war told about in aLttP, but we don't know where that was, chronologically, except that it was before aLttP. It could be before OoT, because there is talk about a recent war there, but if it was, then this game apparently will not feature it.

Also, if the game would be between OoT and WW, Link would have to fight Ganon when he breaks the seal, in which case Link would not be able to defeat him (which, of course, would be interesting, but no-one likes a game where you can't win), unless an alternate timeline would be created, where Ganon did not take Hyrule and where Hyrule was not flooded.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-02-21 07:54am

Dooey Jo wrote:
Also, if the game would be between OoT and WW, Link would have to fight Ganon when he breaks the seal, in which case Link would not be able to defeat him (which, of course, would be interesting, but no-one likes a game where you can't win), unless an alternate timeline would be created, where Ganon did not take Hyrule and where Hyrule was not flooded.

It'd be interesting because the first ZOE game had Anubis at the end who was impossible to kill in your present state until major upgrades in ZOE2. So if they did that, they'd need a sequel where Linky boy comes back and whups him royally.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2005-02-21 12:08pm

Dooey Jo wrote:
Praxis wrote:
Well that doesn't really say much. The Wind Waker follows chronologically after OoT too, so... And Aonuma stated earlier that this would not be a sequel to any game.
Well since the plain looked like Hyrule there was a lot of speculation that this would be between OoT and WW.
That's not compatible with the story told in the beginning of tWW. It says that the Hero of Time went away from Hyrule and never came back. The game could take place during the imprisoning war told about in aLttP, but we don't know where that was, chronologically, except that it was before aLttP. It could be before OoT, because there is talk about a recent war there, but if it was, then this game apparently will not feature it.

Also, if the game would be between OoT and WW, Link would have to fight Ganon when he breaks the seal, in which case Link would not be able to defeat him (which, of course, would be interesting, but no-one likes a game where you can't win), unless an alternate timeline would be created, where Ganon did not take Hyrule and where Hyrule was not flooded.

Um, unless I'm mistaken(been a while since I read the LttP manual, OoT is the imprisoning war.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-02-22 02:34am

Kewl. My confusion arises from assuming all the Hero of Time rubbish refers to your WW character, instead of the OoT character. Oh well

And unfortunately its the boss and item oriented gameplay that put me off both. I stopped WW in the middle of doing the islands to get all the items after the temple rises: when I tried to play it again I couldn't remember which island had what that needed what, so I just stopped. Stupid talking fish.

If the games are linked, but massively spread out, then whats the point? It weakens the story for me to know that its just the same old shit over again, and that you'll never win or lose.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2005-02-22 07:17am

Anarchist Bunny wrote:Um, unless I'm mistaken(been a while since I read the LttP manual, OoT is the imprisoning war.

No, I don't think so. Ganon was supposed to attack from the Golden Land, to which he had found a secret way (not taking the front door like he did in OoT, assuming that the Golden Land is the same place as the Sacred Realm, of course). And the fact that the Master Sword was forged during, or shortly before the war only makes it more confusing, as it is a "legendary blade" in OoT.

The forging of the Master Sword would put the Imprisoning war well ahead of OoT, but a Ganon already inside the Sacred Realm would imply that it was after OoT. Gah! It's impossible to make sense of the Zelda storyline!

Archaic` · Post by **Archaic`** » 2005-02-22 08:50am

Who says the histories have to be totally accurate however? It's not unlikely that given the long periods of time between the games that the legends have become muddled. For example, LttP refered to the sages as the "Seven Wise Men", didn't it?

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-02-22 10:58am

Stark wrote:Kewl. My confusion arises from assuming all the Hero of Time rubbish refers to your WW character, instead of the OoT character. Oh well

And unfortunately its the boss and item oriented gameplay that put me off both. I stopped WW in the middle of doing the islands to get all the items after the temple rises: when I tried to play it again I couldn't remember which island had what that needed what, so I just stopped. Stupid talking fish.

If the games are linked, but massively spread out, then whats the point? It weakens the story for me to know that its just the same old shit over again, and that you'll never win or lose.

It's called: online strategy guide :p

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2005-02-22 12:19pm

Stark wrote: And unfortunately its the boss and item oriented gameplay that put me off both. I stopped WW in the middle of doing the islands to get all the items after the temple rises: when I tried to play it again I couldn't remember which island had what that needed what, so I just stopped. Stupid talking fish..

That is the biggest weakness of WW. The whole endgame dissolves into repeated scavenger hunts and the sailing around gets old.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-02-22 09:41pm

I don't think it would have been so bad if I hadn't stopped: but now I just don't give a fuck, so I'll never finish it. Fun game, tho.

Tatterdemalion · Post by **Tatterdemalion** » 2005-02-22 10:05pm

DarkSilver wrote: Oracles of Season/Ages: the Gameboy successor to Majora's Mask, I'd say. You meet the same characters there as you do in Majora's Mask.

Hmm... personally I'd put the Oracles series either directly before or directly after links awakening, considering that Link is sent on the Oracles quests by the triforce, and during the Majora's Mask the triforce was split into it's three segments and wasn't reunited till LttP. also, Oracles link has brown hair (like the Snes/gameboy links) while OOT/MM link has blonde hair.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2005-02-22 10:39pm

Vendetta wrote:
Stark wrote: And unfortunately its the boss and item oriented gameplay that put me off both. I stopped WW in the middle of doing the islands to get all the items after the temple rises: when I tried to play it again I couldn't remember which island had what that needed what, so I just stopped. Stupid talking fish..
That is the biggest weakness of WW. The whole endgame dissolves into repeated scavenger hunts and the sailing around gets old.

Not really, finding the 9 maps and triforce shards really wasn't that bad, about the only hard parts were getting all the rubees to pay that fruitcake Tingle. Unless your talking about 100 percent completion, but the same can be said for most every game. Hell, getting all 100 Golden Skulltullas was daunting enough to keep me from even trying. Hell, I never even go for full heart containers.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-02-23 12:44am

Anarchist Bunny wrote:
Vendetta wrote:
Stark wrote: And unfortunately its the boss and item oriented gameplay that put me off both. I stopped WW in the middle of doing the islands to get all the items after the temple rises: when I tried to play it again I couldn't remember which island had what that needed what, so I just stopped. Stupid talking fish..
That is the biggest weakness of WW. The whole endgame dissolves into repeated scavenger hunts and the sailing around gets old.
Not really, finding the 9 maps and triforce shards really wasn't that bad, about the only hard parts were getting all the rubees to pay that fruitcake Tingle. Unless your talking about 100 percent completion, but the same can be said for most every game. Hell, getting all 100 Golden Skulltullas was daunting enough to keep me from even trying. Hell, I never even go for full heart containers.

The map thing was annoying only because of the sheer numbers (8 maps + 8 triforce shards, ugh),

Tingle was the real annoyance.

I think there is only one way that the new Zelda game can get a 10/10. And that will be to have Tingle die at some point.

My vision of it is that Tingle is ripping Link off again, and Link gets fed up with it. Tingle tries to take his money and Link fights back. Tingle is a boss (you have to pop his balloon with an arrow and then smack him repeatedly with your sword, OoT Ganondorf style), and every time you hit him ruppees pop out of his head. When you finally kill him his body explodes into thousands of ruppees which you may grab.
One can only dream...