Old Republic vs Galactic Empire

Rommie2006 · Post by **Rommie2006** » 2005-02-27 10:43pm

Pit the Old Republic vs the Galactic Empire, both at the height of their power.
Who do you think would win?
(Or do we still have insufficient information and need to wait for ROTS)

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2005-02-27 10:49pm

your new, arent you.

deathstars and many many isds ruin the trade federation's day.

higher tech for the empire, more expierence, more viscious rules, a prescient leader, and a central authority.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2005-02-27 11:11pm

You do realise that since the Old Republic was subsumed into the Empire, the Empire by definition would win even if it didn't have its massive military assets and centralised command structure.

Rommie2006 · Post by **Rommie2006** » 2005-02-28 12:19am

Yes I'm new on this board cos I've just registered.

But I'm referring to the Old Republic, NOT the Trade Federation.
I'm sure the Old Republic had massive fleets to patrol its member worlds... At least from EU they said the Old Republic had Victory-class destroyers, and even the aging Dreadnaught. So I'm speculating that they had other ships too. Maybe not Executor or Eclipse-class command vessels, but I'm sure they had something...

I mean the Old Republic does have a navy *much* larger than the Trade Federation right??? Don't tell me the corporations of the SW galaxy has a larger fleet than the government... Pls don't tell me they were pacifistic wussies.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2005-02-28 12:29am

Rommie2006 wrote:Yes I'm new on this board cos I've just registered.

But I'm referring to the Old Republic, NOT the Trade Federation.
I'm sure the Old Republic had massive fleets to patrol its member worlds... At least from EU they said the Old Republic had Victory-class destroyers, and even the aging Dreadnaught. So I'm speculating that they had other ships too. Maybe not Executor or Eclipse-class command vessels, but I'm sure they had something...

I mean the Old Republic does have a navy *much* larger than the Trade Federation right??? Don't tell me the corporations of the SW galaxy has a larger fleet than the government... Pls don't tell me they were pacifistic wussies.

Three words: Military Creation Act

up until that point, individual worlds and organizations were presumably responsible for their own security, with no known external threats, the Old Republic had little reason to centralize policing and military authority which would merely antagonize member worlds who if they are anything like typical Earthlings, revile being taxed by massive beauracracies that seem well insulated from the problems of the common sentient.

I think the Galactic Senate = United Nations General Assembly is a fitting analogy.

Rommie2006 · Post by **Rommie2006** » 2005-02-28 12:29am

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:You do realise that since the Old Republic was subsumed into the Empire, the Empire by definition would win even if it didn't have its massive military assets and centralised command structure.

Yeah I know.
Ok perhaps I shld have rephrase my question.
How much more powerful is the Galactic Empire vs the Old Republic?
Here I'm assuming both forces can exist at the same point in time
Will the Old Republic's forces fall to the Empire within weeks?
Or can the Republic give the Empire a bloody nose before losing out?

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-02-28 01:28am

Rommie2006 wrote:Pit the Old Republic vs the Galactic Empire, both at the height of their power.
Who do you think would win?
(Or do we still have insufficient information and need to wait for ROTS)

The Republic has no real army. They get steamrolled. The end.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2005-02-28 02:44am

Chancellor Palpatine:

I have spoken with Emperor Palpatine, who I must say is a very handsome individual. Seeing as how the Empire is the REpublic, only bigger and better armed with noticeably fewer gungans, it is with great honour that we, the Galactic Republic surrender to them.

Rommie2006 · Post by **Rommie2006** » 2005-02-28 04:06am

Are you saying that the Old Republic itself controlled no ships at all?
And all existing military starships are independently governed by the local sector governments???

I'm surprise it lasted that long.... few thousand years. With such lack of central govt, won't the stronger "states" unite together and take over the republic?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-02-28 04:14am

Rommie2006 wrote:Are you saying that the Old Republic itself controlled no ships at all?
And all existing military starships are independently governed by the local sector governments???

I'm surprise it lasted that long.... few thousand years. With such lack of central govt, won't the stronger "states" unite together and take over the republic?

Well at least KOTOR era Republic had fleet of it's own. So we probaly assume that the Republic wasn't always fleetless.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2005-02-28 04:43am

I was planning to make a similar topic of empire vs Serperatists (DSI included) + Old republic but i think the outcome would still be the same

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2005-02-28 10:41am

Rommie2006 wrote:I'm surprise it lasted that long.... few thousand years. With such lack of central govt, won't the stronger "states" unite together and take over the republic?

AOTC SPOILER AHEAD
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Meh, that's exactly what happened in AOTC. Except they failed.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2005-02-28 11:07am

Rommie2006 wrote:Are you saying that the Old Republic itself controlled no ships at all?
And all existing military starships are independently governed by the local sector governments???

I'm surprise it lasted that long.... few thousand years. With such lack of central govt, won't the stronger "states" unite together and take over the republic?

The Old Republic did control ships. The Galactic Naval corps exist after all, and the old spaceman who served in it in TPM said that the Z-95 headhunter was the best starfighter, meaning that it must had some paramilitary agency after all.

The difference however, is that the Republic never had a centralised military agency, with only paramilitary units like the Judicals and the Galactic Naval corps. It would be like comparing the militia system of the US to the professional military of the British in 1812.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-02-28 11:21am

Rommie2006 wrote:Are you saying that the Old Republic itself controlled no ships at all?
And all existing military starships are independently governed by the local sector governments???

I'm surprise it lasted that long.... few thousand years. With such lack of central govt, won't the stronger "states" unite together and take over the republic?

No, they had ships, but no MILITARY ships. Planets had their own defense forces, but they were small (for example, Naboo had two squadrons of fighters). The biggest fleets were those like the Trade Federation, and they weren't designed as military vessels.

The Republic controlled all major shipyards so they could build a fleet in a hurry, but the Empire would already have a big fleet.

Not to mention that the Republic at its military height (aka during the Clone Wars) was led by Chancellor Palpatine.

The Empire at its height was lead by Emperor Palpatine.

Why would he fight himself?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-02-28 11:33am

Well we do know that the build the Katana-fleet before the Clone Wars. I think that the Republic has fleet of sorts, but it had very few (if any) true up to date warship (meaning most of fleet consists of either ship that were not designed as warships or warships that are not up to date.)

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2005-02-28 12:28pm

The Republic probably had a small peacekeeping force, similar to the United Nations' troops, provided by its member worlds. Occasionally the Republic would purchase some ships for its own exclusive use, such as the Katana fleet. However, I would tentatively assume that they primarily had only a small force, which would have been built up in time of trouble through military levies and the member worlds contributing ships and soldiers.

The Empire has the advantage in that it has a specialized military, and a large one at that.

If the Republic can build up its forces, and construct a military, they could quite likely give the Empire a massive fight; if the Republic is caught by surprise, they lose rapidly; really, it's an iffy scenario.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2005-02-28 12:37pm

We know that the empire employed Dreadnaughts, is there any source that speaks of Palpy commandeering privately owned ships? If not, perhaps we could surmise that the Empire got it's Dreadnaughts from some sort of organization that could be termed the "Old Republic Navy"?

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-02-28 04:30pm

Rommie2006 wrote:Are you saying that the Old Republic itself controlled no ships at all?
And all existing military starships are independently governed by the local sector governments???

I'm surprise it lasted that long.... few thousand years. With such lack of central govt, won't the stronger "states" unite together and take over the republic?

The Judiciaries maintained small fleets used for what constituted as Police work. Some sectors, like Kuat and Corellia maintained their own, shortrange, sector fleets, which could be considered military armament with vessels approaching the Executor's size (Mandator-class). Bu for 1000 years, from the last Sith Wars, to the start of the Clone Wars the Old Republic itself had no standing military.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-02-28 04:32pm

InnocentBystander wrote:We know that the empire employed Dreadnaughts, is there any source that speaks of Palpy commandeering privately owned ships? If not, perhaps we could surmise that the Empire got it's Dreadnaughts from some sort of organization that could be termed the "Old Republic Navy"?

They were probably under the jurisdiction of the Judiciaries until the outbreak of the Clone Wars when a true Navy was formed. Most Republic/Imperial Naval Officers came from the Judiciary ranks, Admiral Terrinald Screed, for instance.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-02-28 07:43pm

Lord Revan wrote:Well we do know that the build the Katana-fleet before the Clone Wars. I think that the Republic has fleet of sorts, but it had very few (if any) true up to date warship (meaning most of fleet consists of either ship that were not designed as warships or warships that are not up to date.)

Oh no! 200 dreadnaughts vs the Empire! They're dooooomed!

Lone_Prodigy · Post by **Lone_Prodigy** » 2005-02-28 10:14pm

Especially since three dreadnaughts could barely hold off a single ISD in TTT.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2005-03-01 12:00am

so they are worth 60 isds, which is roughly the daily production of the empire.

whee.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-03-01 05:13am

I'm not saying that the Republic could win, but I am saying is that it's simplistic to say that Republic didn't have any fleet what so ever. The "Fleet" (it's probaly not called that), would consist of few true warships (like dreadnaughts(this would explain why loss of the Katana-fleet was such a blow), armed civilian ship and out of date warships (from the last sith war for example).

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-03-01 11:25am

Going from TPM, with it´s blue-uniformed officers of the Radient VII (Consular-class Space Cruiser at the start), and the uniforms worn by Anthony Daniels and Ahmed Best in AOTC (belonging to Old Republic Navy Lieutenants), there was some form of military or sector force.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2005-03-01 03:02pm

VT-16 wrote:Going from TPM, with it´s blue-uniformed officers of the Radient VII (Consular-class Space Cruiser at the start), and the uniforms worn by Anthony Daniels and Ahmed Best in AOTC (belonging to Old Republic Navy Lieutenants), there was some form of military or sector force.

I thought Anthony Daniel's character was part of the Republic Guard, not Navy. . .

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