TAKE THAT Script Kiddies!

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-14 06:33pm

Bill could jail hackers for life

Nov. 13 — A last-minute addition to a proposal for a Department of Homeland Security bill would punish malicious computer hackers with life in prison. The U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday evening voted 299 to 121 to approve the bill, which would reshape large portions of the federal bureaucracy into a new department combining parts of 22 existing federal agencies, including the Secret Service, the Coast Guard, and the FBI’s National Infrastructure Protection Center.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/834875.asp

Talk about fucking detterrance, About time those useless hatfuckers such as Virus writers and DOS Attacking Bastards get it handed to them

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-14 06:34pm

Good.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-11-14 06:35pm

This better pass.

Those little shits deserve everything coming to them.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-14 06:36pm

Muwhahahahahaaa!

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-14 06:37pm

In July, the full House approved CSEA by a 385-to-3 vote, but it died in the Senate.

It died thanks to Dashal yet one more strike aginst him

Food for thought

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-14 06:40pm

Mr Bean wrote:
In July, the full House approved CSEA by a 385-to-3 vote, but it died in the Senate.
It died thanks to Dashal yet one more strike aginst him

Food for thought

At the rate he's going Dashal's going to do more damage in two years then Clinton did one eight

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-11-14 06:41pm

Damn it.

This is what happens when young people don't vote: we get candidates who only care about shit like Social Security and Medicare.

Fuck.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2002-11-14 06:43pm

I wonder about bills like these...

Not saying that I wouldn't also like to string up some of these clowns myself, but I also what can of worms this bill could lead to...

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-14 06:44pm

Spanky note THAT one was in July Not today, Dasahl is out of power and can't do the "GO AWAY BILL DANCE" that he pulled for the six fucking months that led up to the election

OH BTW despite him having been the one holding up Homeland Secruity Bill(Personaly HIM) he came up aginst the President Today and layed it on Dubya's wittle head for not Having Dashal Assinated... err I mean not doing enough for HomeLand Secruity

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-14 06:46pm

Not saying that I wouldn't also like to string up some of these clowns myself, but I also what can of worms this bill could lead to...

Thats one of the worst Slippery slope Fallices and its easly disproven by simple standereds

Crimanals TODAY are comminting far to many crimes and far to fast, if we were TODAY to go to a Oppresive Dicatorship we simply would not have the room or people to toss everyone in Jail, Of course we COULD be having people shot but not even in China can you be shot for Hacking(Unless you Hack the Goverment computers)

Post by **AdmiralKanos** » 2002-11-14 07:06pm

I would be wary of approving a bill whose wording we haven't seen. A lot of times, bills like that are advertised as promoting something which sounds good, but they quietly "piggy-back" a whole lot of really objectionable shit onto it. A lot of these things are actually legislative Trojan horses.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-11-14 07:20pm

The hacking part was a "last-minute addition". What else was on the bill?

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2002-11-14 08:20pm

AdmiralKanos wrote:I would be wary of approving a bill whose wording we haven't seen. A lot of times, bills like that are advertised as promoting something which sounds good, but they quietly "piggy-back" a whole lot of really objectionable shit onto it. A lot of these things are actually legislative Trojan horses.

Thank you for clarifying what I should have said int he first place.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-11-14 08:35pm

Life sentense? Quite a few murders don't get life setences. Manslaughter doesn't get a life sentense.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-14 08:45pm

Detterance GAT, Mansualter is non-delbrate, Hacking is quite delbrate, ALWAYS premeditated and pretty damaging

At the bottom of the aritcule it lists what is on the CSEA

Promise life terms for computer intrusions that “recklessly” put others’ lives at risk. A committee report accompanying the legislation predicts: “A terrorist or criminal cyberattack could further harm our economy and critical infrastructure. It is imperative that the penalties and law enforcement capabilities are adequate to prevent and deter such attacks.”

Permit limited surveillance without a court order when there is an “ongoing attack” on an Internet-connected computer or “an immediate threat to a national security interest.” That kind of surveillance would, however, be limited to obtaining a suspect’s telephone number, IP address, URLs or e-mail header information—not the contents of online communications or telephone calls. Under federal law, such taps can take place when there’s a threat of “serious bodily injury to any person” or activity involving organized crime.

Change current law, which says it’s illegal for an Internet provider to “knowingly divulge” what users do except in some specific circumstances, such as when it’s troubleshooting glitches, receiving a court order or tipping off police that a crime is in progress. CSEA expands that list to include when “an emergency involving danger of death or serious physical injury to any person requires disclosure of the information without delay.”

Specify that an existing ban on the “advertisement” of any device that is used primarily for surreptitious electronic surveillance applies to online ads. The prohibition now covers only a “newspaper, magazine, handbill or other publication.”

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-11-14 10:00pm

Theres probably stuff on the bill I would object to, which I really don't know, since I haven't read it. These things are worded carefully. Damn I hate politicians. I mean the term 'hacking' can be expanded to reverse engineering, for example. I'm wary of the homeland security bill also. Does it have anything that might infringe on our rights?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-14 10:10pm

Raxmei wrote:The hacking part was a "last-minute addition". What else was on the bill?

Biggest US government reorganization in history, we'll maybe not history but almost certainly in the last 50 years. This is the bill that would place 170,000 Federal Employs from about a dozen agencies under a new Homeland security agency.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-11-14 10:11pm

Big Brother is watching you.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2002-11-14 10:12pm

I would never support a bill like that, not even if every suicide bomber there is after me.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-14 10:16pm

Darth Wong wrote:Big Brother is watching you.

With the exact same stuff he had before. Only know they can actually use it was a degree of efficiency. Horrors.

I'd be more concern if I was in the UK right now. With the near total erosion of trial rights in that country, the governments much tighter press controls and now the plans for the mass installation of face recognition technology and even the serious though quickly defeated proposal to place an ID microchip in every citizen I think they have more to worry about.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-14 10:33pm

Big Brother is watching you.

And your one to criticse people about Slippry Sloope Fallcyies

Look at the one place with both the money and the will to spy on all of its people and how well do they Do?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-11-14 10:34pm

Mr Bean wrote:
Big Brother is watching you.
And your one to criticse people about Slippry Sloope Fallcyies

Who said anything about slippery slope fallacies? They're already doing it!

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-14 10:36pm

Who said anything about slippery slope fallacies? They're already doing it!

Exuse me I forget your not the usual ones who prepare the statment "Big Brother is watching you" then goes on into the Pariod Rants

However you want to find a place where Big Brother REALY IS?

China

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-11-14 10:38pm

I always felt 1984 was more about mind control and the destruction of free will, not government domination and restriction.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-11-14 10:41pm

Mr Bean wrote:However you want to find a place where Big Brother REALY IS?

China

True enough. China is much worse than the US. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be upset at what they're doing in the US right now.

This is a variation upon the "I was upset at having no shoes until I saw a man with no feet" story. It's true that it's worse to have no feet than no shoes, but at the same time, I want to have a fucking pair of shoes.