Heads up, racing fans: GT4 ships today.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2005-02-24 09:09am

Stark wrote:I thought GT2 and GT3 both had the 'tyre damage' penalty for impacts? Or maybe I just drive badly with too much torque...

It's been too long sicne I've played GT3, but probably. I know GT2 had it which made the ultra long race, so abyssmal...since mr computer over there, recieves maybe tenth the damage I have gotten, for driving just as nuts.

On GT4...will get later, because lost already three Guildmates, and four friends to this game FINALLY coming over here.

Azazel · Post by **Azazel** » 2005-02-24 03:49pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:
And then we have the Escudo... which hopefully has been replaced with something more reasonable like a supersonic jet car.
I thought you loved that thing.

Anyway, anyone expecting damage won't get it because of the licence agreements with the car manufacturers. They enjoy seeing 128-bit renditions of their pride and joy racing around the track, but don't quite like seeing them mangled. That's something GT lacks, but you can always try and get something like the old Destruction Derby games for stock car racing with the crashes and all.

That's why I thought it was interesting that Project Gotham Racing had realistic damage modeling. mmmm grinding metal.

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2005-02-24 05:52pm

The Escudo is in the game. You can't buy it this time, though, and I don't know what you have to do to win it.

I wonder if you'll be able to wheelie it around the test track like in 3.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2005-02-24 07:54pm

The Escudo was not a "problem car" in and of itself. It was the fact that you could upgrade it to double its horsepower. You couldn't upgrade any of the other race cars, why should that one be an exception?

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-02-25 02:40am

It also highlighted the lack of damage, since driving the T4 Escudo was an experience in blinding speed ... and high speed collisions. It was retarded.

The logic behind which car can get what upgrade definately needed some work.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2005-02-26 01:09am

As far as the upgrading goes, I've always found it odd that they'll let certain vehicles go nuts. It doesn't particularly bother me, since I know I'm only chea...lol...cheating myself. When it comes down to it, your really getting into the racing and tuning to play your friends. Half the reason for the big 'online' ability they wanted in. I know the fact that it works like that is mind boggling sometimes, but really, if you use that to win all your races, then you probably don't need anything above Mario Kart in the racing genre anyways. There is always the exception of the Test Course, or Super Speedway Endurance on GT3. God those were long and boring. That's when I used an alternative. It wasn't like I was going to lose. I know how to tune my car and set it up. Either way, crazy shit, I agree. It was probably one of those, hey it's a game let's do this funny thing. meh.

I did find where you can adjust your playlist. It's in GT mode. In fact that's why I jumped on tonight. As far as the music goes, what do you perfer in the GT series so far. As far as the sdkt goes, GT3 is the superior. I ended up taking out a couple of the rap songs. The Cult had to go too. Opening music though is what sets the mood sometimes for me. I still let Halo 2 run through it's intro music just to psyche me up.

For the intro sequence, GT2 pwns. If they re did that with GT4s graphics it would smoke any of these fast and furious movies with only five minutes of footage. The opening of GT3 and GT4 are incrediable to say the least. A very wonderful visual experience. As much as I love Lenny Kravitz and 'Are you gonna go my way?' and the new Orchestrated opening into GT4 bleeding into Panama (which I was never a big fan of, but it really works here) They are aren't up to GT2. GT was very generic but got the job done at the time.

First it starts off with the old timey film strip and the old cars then rips into The Cardigans "My favourite Game' We'd let the intro to that game run before we started any races most of the time.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2005-02-26 01:50am

New update. In the International B license test number 15 is pissing me off. This is waaaay worse then Seattle Circuit II in the GT40. There's the minor little turns uphill at the end where I just seem to scrape a wall or something and lose all speed. What's really killing me is the fucking pace car. That bastard grabs the fucking ebrake on this totally small turn that leads into an uphill hairpin after passing the arches. Grrrr!!!

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-02-26 02:10am

I heard you could import your A and B license from GT3?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-02-26 02:12am

Until the games actuall include damage, I'll be holding my interest.

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2005-02-26 10:34am

Stark wrote:I heard you could import your A and B license from GT3?

Yes. But you don't pass any of the tests, in that you don't the car automatically. You still get the licenses, though.

Equinox2003 · Post by **Equinox2003** » 2005-02-26 11:55pm

I like all the previous GT games, I cant wait to get this one.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2005-02-28 06:04pm

To Stark, both had tire damage. GT3 had it on certain sim races. While in acrace I think it was present on hard, but it was only 5 laps. Now professional (holding l1 and r1 over hard) gave you 10 laps with tire wear. Now that was a hard race.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-02-28 09:53pm

I've totally ordered it - but AU doesn't get it till tenth of March. GAY!

Can you 'racer-up' cars again? In... I think GT3, you couldn't slap spoilers and shit on cars that didn't have them, but in GT1 I remember a really expensive 'racing' mod, that turned your car into a proper race car with adjustable downforce all round etc.

If they've got worldwide cars... and 70s cars... do they have AU classics like Toranas or XB Falcons?

Oh are there hard limits on upgrading some cars? It'd be a shame if they had neat classic cars, but you couldn't soup them up enough to compete.

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2005-03-01 12:54am

Stark wrote:Can you 'racer-up' cars again? In... I think GT3, you couldn't slap spoilers and shit on cars that didn't have them, but in GT1 I remember a really expensive 'racing' mod, that turned your car into a proper race car with adjustable downforce all round etc.

You can buy wheels and rear spoilers for stock cars. You can, however, buy tuner cars, and some of these have front and rear spoilers built in.

Oh are there hard limits on upgrading some cars? It'd be a shame if they had neat classic cars, but you couldn't soup them up enough to compete.

I would say that with a fully-customizable suspension and racing brakes, you should have no problems getting the old cars to compete on the track.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-03-01 12:59am

I'd agree (given the power advantage the 70s muscle has) but if you're stuck with NA/1 or something, the shitty Lancer with T/4 is going to kick your ass, especially with the rear torque problems you'll probably have.

What am I saying? I (eventually) tuned a Speed 12 enough to be able to drive it... and I can't drive drift cars for shit.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2005-03-01 03:48pm

I really wish they would get rid of the "N/A tune", seeing as how there's no such thing, and it's actually a replacement of headers, cams, and all sorts of other things all rolled into one procedure that's billed as some sort of alternative to turboing. Of course it's either/or, for some reason you can't have nice aluminum parts and still put a turbo or supercharger in. I really don't know who was smoking what when they set it up that way, or why they didn't change it in the sequels.

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2005-03-01 05:35pm

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:I really wish they would get rid of the "N/A tune", seeing as how there's no such thing, and it's actually a replacement of headers, cams, and all sorts of other things all rolled into one procedure that's billed as some sort of alternative to turboing. Of course it's either/or, for some reason you can't have nice aluminum parts and still put a turbo or supercharger in. I really don't know who was smoking what when they set it up that way, or why they didn't change it in the sequels.

I think it's simply a matter of practicality. If you were able to, say, swap in a hotter cam or replace the valvetrain (or any other piecemeal engine work), the amount work required to accurately portray the new performance in the engine would mean that they'd never get the game out. Moreover, tuning an engine is not an easy task, so in the name of not forcing players to spend hours having to decide what their cam overlap should be, they simplify things, if a bit too much.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2005-03-01 06:19pm

I accept your argument, but still maintain that the way they implemented it was the wrong way to go about it.

Ediktion · Post by **Ediktion** » 2005-03-01 08:45pm

I actually have been wondering the same thing.

But then again i already have my favorite cars and they don't involve N/A at all so im only peeved at the N/A races, and the mini cars that are described as "fun" to drive...

Hahahaha... right.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-03-02 10:18pm

It's even more amusing in cars where you have the option of both - you can rebuild the engine with quality engineered parts, rebalance and retune... OR just drop a turbo in. Never both.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2005-03-05 02:37am

I fucking did it you bastards!!! I got my Super Liscense tonight!!! Sweet!!! Not to mention for all the torture of that damn S-14 test on snow/ice I opened up Grand Valley Speedway!!! Yeah!!! Now I can start jamming on the game. What day is everyone on so far?

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2005-03-05 11:54am

I think I'm somewhere in the 200s, day-wise. I haven't gone for the S liscence, since IA lets me race anything I'd care to right now. IA-15 was the most nerve-wracking test I've ever taken... and I pulled off a Silver on my first try. Go figure. I have to say, though, that that graduation test for IA was fucking amazing.

I also <3 B-spec. It makes those 10 race championships so much more managable. I did the all Japan GT championship last night with my 350Z Le Mans Race Car in B-spec mode and it was actually a lot of fun. Watching your driver race for the lead is surprisingly exciting, and the races were long enough that I had to make sure he saved his tires for the end of the race. My only beef with him is that he won't swing wide off the line to pass someone. It was most frustrating, especially when he had probably a 20 hp advantage on the rest of them. Still, it turned a three hour ordeal into about an hour and twenty minutes worth. I imagine B-spec will be indispensible for the Endurance races.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2005-03-05 08:09pm

Guess what, the S-15 is the same as I-As grad test, but it's the whole damn circuit with two kinks in the straight, with a car about 10mph slower. Heh. The S liscense grad test is the Nurinbringerburgerslingerslolum nodelschidel. I think it's the same car, but it's a race version, and there's no pace car. S liscense is just like GT3, one lap, one track, one car. Good luck. I just about blew through it though, except for S-14 which is snow and ice, and I hate rally. So it was quite unbearable. My days aren't very high. All I've done is the liscenses and two driving missions. I always get my liscenses first. I'm ready to rock and roll. I figured B-Spec would be nice for a lot of those drawn out circuit races. I'm sure a lot of people will use it in the endurance, which is what it was probably designed for. I can't even get into the Endurance yet, says you have to have 25% done first. Once I can, and I have my Oreca in the garage, it's Grand Valley baby. That's one HELL of a race.

btw, one of the S liscense tests is the new GT-40 on Seattle. I was worried, because on GT3 you used the Golf GT-40 from the 60's on Seattle II, and that was a bitch and a half. It took me about two tries with this, because it wasn't as powerful, just bogged on me in the uies.

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2005-03-06 08:58pm

For those of you with flashdrives, you can plug it into your PS2 and copy your snapshots onto it. Just thought I'd point that out.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2005-03-06 09:11pm

I was wondering about that. I'll have to get one so I can put pics up on the computer.

On a side note, I'm 128 days in. I've 'cheated' and restarted twice now so that my win ratio is at 0%, and I want it to be 100% if I can manage. The Pontiac GTO concept that you win on the liscense tests sucks balls. I lost an Autumn Ring Mini twice, to a Kia and a Mini Van. That thing is a turd on four wheels. Time to just go at it the old fashioned way and supe up a Honda Civic hatchback and win the lower ranks and buy a better car. Bleh!