Mace Windu's power

[Cromag]

I actually think Palpatine is the strongest otherwise Anakin would've tried overthrowing him some time ago before he tried making his overtures to Luke.

Has anyone else mentioned the Vanity Fair interview with GL? My sister kindly picked it up for me, love the cover. Er, I digress.

GL actually says in the interview that Anakin, had he not become the mostly machine Vader, would have surpassed Palpatine in power. According to GL, and I'm paraphrasing here, the less machine you are, the more midichlorians you can host, hence more power in the Force. As Vader, GL says that he is about 80% as powerful as Palpatine.

[Kane Starkiller]

Surely Vader had to use the Force to restrain Palpatine, I don't think his mechanical arms would be enough to do the trick. I think that Palpatine is no more stronger in the Force than Vader.

[Kane Starkiller]

Of course Palpatine has far more expirience and skill.(lightning and precog)

[Cromag]

Surely Vader had to use the Force to restrain Palpatine, I don't think his mechanical arms would be enough to do the trick. I think that Palpatine is no more stronger in the Force than Vader.

Well, you have it from no less an authority than GL himself, what more do you want?

Seriously though, I'm sure Vader did have to do more than just lift, carry and throw Palpatine; for instance, he had to endure the lightning attacks which presumably calls for some Force usage. I'm equally sure, though, that a 20% difference in power levels wouldn't be impossible for Vader to overcome given the circumstances. In other words, I don't see any inconsistency with what we saw on screen and what GL has stated.

[Vympel]

That Clone Wars episode is widely considered to be 'Mace Windu, as recalled by Paxi Silo years later', and is greatly subject to exaggeration and the influences of a child's imagination.

That's quite a good idea actually, I like that- though I've never heard it until now.

[Lord Poe]

Don't get me wrong, he is powerful but he doesn't appear to be any more powerful than Qui-Gon for example.

He is, apparently. While Qui-Gon died by a lightsaber skewered through him, Mace survived the same thing in "Shatterpoint", and was able to take out his attacker as well, and never lose conciousness.

[Gustav32Vasa]

I actually think Palpatine is the strongest otherwise Anakin would've tried overthrowing him some time ago before he tried making his overtures to Luke.

"You can destroy the Emperor, Luke, he has forseen it..."

I think the Emperor needs inner glasses if cant see the differens between daddy Skywalker and Luke.

[His Divine Shadow]

GL actually says in the interview that Anakin, had he not become the mostly machine Vader, would have surpassed Palpatine in power. According to GL, and I'm paraphrasing here, the less machine you are, the more midichlorians you can host, hence more power in the Force. As Vader, GL says that he is about 80% as powerful as Palpatine.

I really hate that explanation.

[Vympel]

Yeah. It's weakening the villain bullshit and unless it's stated on screen I pay it absolutely no mind.

[Kane Starkiller]

GL actually says in the interview that Anakin, had he not become the mostly machine Vader, would have surpassed Palpatine in power.

This is one other thing. I want the next movie to SHOW us how powerful Anakin is. Ever since ANH we listen to how Anakin was a "cunning warrior","powerful jedi was he, powerful jedi","his son cannot be allowed to become a jedi","has more midichlorians than Yoda","is the chosen one","has exceptional skills" etc.
Well I want to finally SEE whats the big fuss about. And NO, Lucas talking about how he has POTENTIAL to be super powerful just isn't going to cut it.
I want him to wipe the floor with any jedi he comes into contact and make me say "oh my god he really was THE ONLY ONE who could destroy Palpatine, it's a damn shame he turned to dark side" and not "what a pussy, who gives a shit that he joined Palpatine, he wouldn't make any difference anyway".

And as for Vader losing power after he goes bionic, I don't se why this explanation is neccesary. Anakin can be stronger than any characther in prequels and could still be weaker than Vader was in classic trilogy.

[Petrosjko]

My preferred explanation goes back to the whole 'the Dark Side is what keeps Vader alive.'

That removes the 'more meat=more midichlorians' nonsense but explains how Vader could be weaker than Anakin at his peak.

[Cromag]

Hey, I'd like to forget the whole midichlorian business too. Even GL acknowledged that fans don't like it, but it's in to stay and now we have even more info regarding it from the creator himself. So, unfortunately, with nothing on-screen to directly contradict him, we're stuck with his explanation as being the way it is.

[Gustav32Vasa]

Hey, I'd like to forget the whole midichlorian business too. Even GL acknowledged that fans don't like it, but it's in to stay and now we have even more info regarding it from the creator himself. So, unfortunately, with nothing on-screen to directly contradict him, we're stuck with his explanation as being the way it is.

Whats wrong with midichlorians?

[Gunhead]

They demystify an aspect of SW and make it technobabblish.
In SW stuff is not explained, it works. TL's work because we see them work.
When you start explaining mystic abilities it just doesn't sound right.
It takes away the magic from jedi powers, because they're supposed to work because he's a jedi, not because he/she/it has bugs in his/her's/it's blood.

-Gunhead

[Gustav32Vasa]

They demystify an aspect of SW and make it technobabblish.
In SW stuff is not explained, it works. TL's work because we see them work.
When you start explaining mystic abilities it just doesn't sound right.
It takes away the magic from jedi powers, because they're supposed to work because he's a jedi, not because he/she/it has bugs in his/her's/it's blood.

-Gunhead

But the AotC sourcebook explains all sort of things and thats popular?

[Gunhead]

Yes, but they don't over do it. This midichlorian stuff also brings up stupid shit like what if jedi x somehow steals all off y's midichlorians? Would x become more powerful?

-Gunhead

[Bob the Gunslinger]

GL actually says in the interview that Anakin, had he not become the mostly machine Vader, would have surpassed Palpatine in power. According to GL, and I'm paraphrasing here, the less machine you are, the more midichlorians you can host, hence more power in the Force. As Vader, GL says that he is about 80% as powerful as Palpatine.

I really hate that explanation.

Yeah. It really sucks.

I could have sworn the midichlorians were supposed to be an indicator--and not a cause--of force power. I guess now we know that the mystical force is really a byproduct of some freakin' organelles.
Germs = the force? That's freakin' brilliant.

In related news, I hear Governor Schwartzenegger has started shooting up on midichlorians so he can take on the senate.

[18-Till-I-Die]

Actually the bugs=Force explaination kinda lends some more weight to the realism or should i say 'less unrealistic-ness' of Star Wars.

The Force isnt magic, it's an easily explained genetic trait. Jedi/Sith areent wizards they're mutants with an odd evolutionary quality.

It really makes perfect sense if you think about it.

[Ghost Rider]

Actually it makes it more unrealistic.

Because if genes have such a matter in Force transference...then well, let's just say, that really Padme had better be as strong as Anakin in the Force but never, ever realized it, and oh yeah the Council either.

And let's not even go into the insanity that essentially only what 10K-20K Jedi in a galaxy of Trillion of Quadrillion and so on.

Really, it was better when it's some mysitcal field then this BS genetic byline.

[18-Till-I-Die]

Yes perhaps, but one could argue that it's passed on by whatever parent as this gene, thus Anikin passes it to Luke and Leia instead of Padme. Or perhaps it's only passed through male genes.

As for the only 20,000 Jedi...a very rare mutation?

Anyway, i just like it cause i think it adds something to think about to the story. I can understand why the explanation is unsatisfactory to others, i wasnt too happy about the Clone Trooper=Stormtrooper idea myself, so... *shrugs* maybe it was better when it was unexplained.

Who knows they might erase it later in the EU or something.

[Ghost Rider]

Yes perhaps, but one could argue that it's passed on by whatever parent as this gene, thus Anikin passes it to Luke and Leia instead of Padme. Or perhaps it's only passed through male genes.

Ummmm...do just a wee bit of research on it and you'll see how silly it is that Fraternal twin having force power is.

Especially in regards to future genertaion of the Solo family.

As for the only 20,000 Jedi...a very rare mutation?

Anyway, i just like it cause i think it adds something to think about to the story. I can understand why the explanation is unsatisfactory to others, i wasnt too happy about the Clone Trooper=Stormtrooper idea myself, so... *shrugs* maybe it was better when it was unexplained.

Who knows they might erase it later in the EU or something.

Unsatisfactory is not the word. Near bald and gross misue is. This is why when technobabble is spewed people groan. It's using fancy words to explain a completely wrong function

Even with rare...isn't it amazing that somehow they were to organize in any fashion given there is less then .001 in the galaxy.

Literally there would be worlds that would never have heard of the Force, yet somehow it pervades nearly the entire culture until it's brutally squashed by an oppressive regime.

[Gunhead]

I always thought non jedi use the force too, they just don't know it. The prime example of course being Solo navigating through an asteroid field.
Force is the stuff that makes a hero, he doesn't need to be aware of it, he just has that something about him. I like this explanation and that stupid midiwhatnot crap flies right to the face of it.

-Gunhead

[Stravo]

Considering Obi Wan's words in ROTJ "The Emperor knew that if Anakin were to have any off spring they would be a threat to him" Yoda himself states "The Force runs strong in your family." Luke reiterates this to Leia on Endor. All of this heavily implies either a genetic inheritance or the Force manfests itself along bloodlines. Choosing from a family which members it would manifest.

But then you think about it. Anakin was an only child, born of immaculate conception. How the FUCK can Yoda, The Emperor and Obi Wan make that leap that it runs strong in his family if he's literally the first to display force talent?

[18-Till-I-Die]

Perhaps Yoda, Paply, etc could sense the Force in Anakin? It's not unreasonable to assume that it takes one to know one, Force-wise. In fact i'd be surprised if that werent the case.

Course there's precog, too, maybe. Perhaps they saw the potential future of Anakin, we know Palpy was prety darn accurate up to a point with his precognitive powers so again it's not at all unreasonable.

I'm not defending the medichlorian thing really just giving an uneduacted guess here.

[His Divine Shadow]

Whats wrong with midichlorians?

Depending on how you interprept it, nothing.
This more meat = more power thing though, hate it!