Executor = 6249m according to STvSW tard

[Mange]

According to Curtis Saxton (http://www.theforce.net/swtc/daggerdata.html ) the globes are 2.68% of an ISD's length.

I can't seem to find this in the link he posted. Any confirmation on this figure?

As far as I can remember, the only number Dr. Saxton mentions is 41 meter in diameter for the sensor globes at http://www.theforce.net/swtc/towers.html (I've myself calculated a diameter of between 34 and 45 meters, since the globes aren't perfect spheres).

[Darth Wong]

We all know about the infamous problem of the Falcon being bigger on the inside than the outside. The fact that someone would take one of those two conflicting measurements and use it to discount an otherwise consistent body of evidence by turning it into much is just another example of how Trektards will tend to behave.

I also like the way they distort the "Suspension of Disbelief" into "by treating it as scientific evidence, you don't allow outliers", when in fact, the real-life scientific method does allow for outliers. Maybe they're just too fucking stupid and ignorant to realize that.

[Lord Revan]

We all know about the infamous problem of the Falcon being bigger on the inside than the outside. The fact that someone would take one of those two conflicting measurements and use it to discount an otherwise consistent body of evidence by turning it into much is just another example of how Trektards will tend to behave.

I also like the way they distort the "Suspension of Disbelief" into "by treating it as scientific evidence, you don't allow outliers", when in fact, the real-life scientific method does allow for outliers. Maybe they're just too fucking stupid and ignorant to realize that.

well knowing their level of intelligence that's hardly a suprise. The only thing I wonder is why do they think they can fool anybody (that "argument" was really bad and it was very clear what was goal of it).

[Hardy]

<snip>
Now we go on to scale a Star Destroyer.



Now the Falcon measures approx. 70 pixels wide.
The globe measures 69 pixels across, which calculates to 18.4 meters...
<snip>

The dome is actually pretty far away from the Falcon (about 1 dome diameter away). He should be measuring the panel that the Falcon is on to avoid problems with perspective.

The surface where the Falcon is resting measures 115 pixels. Based on his estimates, the surface measures 30.7 metres.

In this picture, the said surface measures 24 pixels.

+http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... n/isd3.jpg

The star destroyer measures 990 pixels. It is therefore 1266 metres according to his estimates (if you whore significant figures, like he did). It's about 80% the official figure.

Now if he had gotten a better estimate of the Falcon's width (30-35 metres ), he would have gotten something in the area of 1.9 to 2 km. The Official figure for the Falcon (27 m) would have gotten about 1.8 km.

[Darth Lucifer]

Weyoun has now posted a new size comparison...he did say that he couldn't find an ISD interior bridge, so he used the Executor. And assuming the bridge windows on a regular ISD were the same as a SSD, he made a new set of calcs.

I pointed out in the forum that a scene exists. In TESB, when the transports are leaving Hoth, the officer says "Our first catch of the Day." The windows are clearly smaller than a SSD bridge's windows, but I can't post a screen cap. Can I get any volunteers here?

Thanks in advance for any consideration on Weyoun's size deficiency issues.

[Firefox]

Will this work?

I just noticed the issue with the MF/Avenger scaling. So, by his logic, the ISD in the distance is only ~10m long?

[Darth Lucifer]

Will this work?

I just noticed the issue with the MF/Avenger scaling. So, by his logic, the ISD in the distance is only ~10m long?

Yes. Thanks for helping me pwn Weyoun and his window theory.

My mind shudders at what he will come up with next.

[Darth Lucifer]

Spoke too soon...Another user posted a pic from the scene where the SD's collide chasing the MF near the asteroid field.

[Knife]

Spoke too soon...Another user posted a pic from the scene where the SD's collide chasing the MF near the asteroid field.

Yup I did. Still, and I'm no numbers guy, the small windows I figured at ~.8 meters off of a 1.8 meter guy standing closest to the window. So if one of those small windows in the forward array is .8 meters, what does that make the large ones?

[Firefox]

I seem to have struch a chord with DSG2k, and it's only my first day....

1. Your attempted scaling was far more "horrific" than Weyoun's high-quality-for-a-quick-and-dirty scaling job, since inaccuracies he avoided were inaccuracies you embraced.

2. Your value was off by ~15 percent. While that's helluva-bad, you're suggesting that Weyoun's value is off by about 100 percent. I'm not exactly certain how it is you expect that idea to hold.

[Mange]

I seem to have struch a chord with DSG2k, and it's only my first day....

1. Your attempted scaling was far more "horrific" than Weyoun's high-quality-for-a-quick-and-dirty scaling job, since inaccuracies he avoided were inaccuracies you embraced.

2. Your value was off by ~15 percent. While that's helluva-bad, you're suggesting that Weyoun's value is off by about 100 percent. I'm not exactly certain how it is you expect that idea to hold.

What Darkstar fail to realize is that your scaling is just as "perfect" as Weyoun's was. In fact, yours was more accurate, since Weyoun didn't draw his line through the center.

[Firefox]

Indeed. It's pretty damned easy to tell he just drew a chord through the MF's saucer:



And he pulled the same stunt with the ISD scaling image:



Better than the first image, but suffers because he wasn't paying attention to where he drew the line in the first.

[SPOOFE]

BOTH of those lines are off-center. He IS aware that the main body of the Falcon is a circle, right?

[Mange]

Darkstar claims Weyoun's method works much better, that's a laugh. He drew an arbitrary line.

[Isolder74]

Of his way was better! it makes his side look better. And to scale something like that with out using the same section of the ship in each picture.

Anyway, what is making the thing shorter accomplishing anyway? Does it change the ship's weapon compliment or its firepower? It official that the Star Destroyer is 1600 meters long. it was filmed to be 1600 meters long so what is the big problem?

[Civil War Man]

Anyway, what is making the thing shorter accomplishing anyway? Does it change the ship's weapon compliment or its firepower? It official that the Star Destroyer is 1600 meters long. it was filmed to be 1600 meters long so what is the big problem?

I think the logic they use is that if you can scale down the size of the ship, you can therefore scale down the strength of its shields and hull, and also the power output of its weapons. Then they renew the ISD vs. GCS debate because according to their calculations, the ISD is not as powerful as it's cracked up to be.

Plus, they don't like those scale comparison charts where you see the Star Destroyers towering over all Federation starships.

[Firefox]

For my next trick, I should try scaling the E-refit according to the EVA crewmen floating around the drydock.

If his claim of ~680m was correct, she *would* be the same length as a Sovereign class, but still more massive than the GCS.

[Firefox]

Okay, this is keeping in mind that Weyoun used a 3/4 oblique view of the Falcon viewed from above, and measured a chord through the saucer...

Image 1.

Okay, we have a crewman performing an EVA near the shuttlebay. He's 69 pixels tall, and with the length of the shuttlebay fantail at 478 pixels (assuming 1.83m for the crewman), that fantail's 12.68m.

Image 2.

Now we measure the fantail in this image (63 pixels) and compare that to the 831-pixel-long Enterprise. Overall, she's 167.25m. This is about on par with Weyoun's mismeasurement of the MF and the ISD (half the actual length of the ship).

[Firefox]

New image showing the ISD/Falcon fit problem:

http://jtrun.mine.nu/cc/fox/CantFit.PNG

Also, I haven't had any luck finding drawings of the MF with the correct side walls depicted. Any ideas?

[Mange]

New image showing the ISD/Falcon fit problem:

http://jtrun.mine.nu/cc/fox/CantFit.PNG

Also, I haven't had any luck finding drawings of the MF with the correct side walls depicted. Any ideas?

Not on top of my head, sorry. They are tiresome, aren't they?

[NecronLord]

I pointed out in the forum that a scene exists. In TESB, when the transports are leaving Hoth, the officer says "Our first catch of the Day." The windows are clearly smaller than a SSD bridge's windows, but I can't post a screen cap. Can I get any volunteers here?

Unfortunately, you are likely incorrect. That scene was shot with the ISD bridge's side viewports in the background, not the main windows.

[Mange]

I pointed out in the forum that a scene exists. In TESB, when the transports are leaving Hoth, the officer says "Our first catch of the Day." The windows are clearly smaller than a SSD bridge's windows, but I can't post a screen cap. Can I get any volunteers here?

Unfortunately, you are likely incorrect. That scene was shot with the ISD bridge's side viewports in the background, not the main windows.

That was pointed out over at that forum.

[Darth Lucifer]

I pointed out in the forum that a scene exists. In TESB, when the transports are leaving Hoth, the officer says "Our first catch of the Day." The windows are clearly smaller than a SSD bridge's windows, but I can't post a screen cap. Can I get any volunteers here?

Unfortunately, you are likely incorrect. That scene was shot with the ISD bridge's side viewports in the background, not the main windows.

That was pointed out over at that forum.

And apparently not here. I was bouncing back and forth and forgot to concede the point here too.

[Darth Lucifer]

Scratch my last post...I did concede that point. I just missed it when I scrolled up.

Note to self: Stay away from forum this soon after waking up

[Mange]

The opposite side (read Darkstar) are now suggesting the following:

* Weyoun has a "strong" case for his scaling

* the Corvettes seen at the battle of Endor are from a different, bigger class than the Tantive IV