Ouch....that hurts....

[MKSheppard]

http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpr ... 497402.htm

St. Paul police investigate man's death during sex act
BY LISA DONOVAN
Pioneer Press

In the world of kinky and dangerous sex, Steven H. Bailey is known around the globe as "The True
Master." In St. Paul, police are just opening the door to his world and role in the death of a sex partner earlier this month.

Investigators released new information Monday about the homicide case, including details about the suspected killer's one-bedroom apartment turned den of sadomasochism, and the California visitor who likely died there earlier this month as a result of "erotic asphyxia." The sex act involves depriving someone of oxygen for sexual arousal, and that's apparently what killed the victim in this case, 53- year-old Maceo Frank Brodnax, of West Hollywood, Calif., said St. Paul police homicide investigator Jane Laurence.

While ligatures and nooses reportedly are used frequently to restrict the flow of blood and oxygen in this sex act, chemicals also can play a role. Police believe Brodnax died in Bailey's apartment sometime after chloroform-soaked material was placed over his nose and mouth as part of a sex act between the two men.

The two had known each other for two months, meeting Sept 5 in an Internet chat room geared toward those interested in sexual domination and asphyxia, police said. They talked a few times on the phone and Brodnax e-mailed a picture of himself weeks before his Nov. 2 flight from California to St. Paul for what was to be a three-day visit.

It was not the first time Bailey had met someone over the Internet. In fact, his unassuming apartment at 594 W. Lawson Ave., near Dale and Como avenues in the North End, was a worldwide destination for men interested in an erotic tryst, police said. Bailey, 54, told investigators he had been with 5,000 men during his lifetime.

"There was no shortage of men coming and going from that apartment," Laurence said.

There is no evidence Bailey received money for the sex acts. Attempts to reach him Monday at the Ramsey County Jail were unsuccessful.

In poor health and unemployed — he told police he suffers from AIDS — Bailey had devoted his life to his role as a sexual dominator and was known as "The True Master." A shortened version of the title serves as his e-mail address, police said.

His bedroom walls were covered with ropes and contraptions that could be used to constrain a person during sex, Bailey told police during an investigative tour of his apartment; police also said earlier that handcuffs were affixed to the wall. After his arrest last week, police crime lab workers hauled away four truckloads of such evidence over three days, investigators said.

The homicide case began unfolding early Nov. 6 when a neighbor spotted Bailey dragging a naked body, partially covered with a blanket, through the apartment building parking lot. The neighbor called police and officers arrived as Bailey was attempting to pull the body into the passenger side of his car. Investigators said a rope found around the victim's neck was placed there to help move the body. He was arrested immediately and admitted to killing Brodnax. That morning he told the first of several different stories about how Brodnax died.

"He's a huge talker," Laurence said. "I think he's used to being in control and I think he perceived himself as being in control of the interview when we talked to him."

Investigators spent 12 hours over two days last week questioning him about his life as a sexual dominator, the killing, and why he kept the body in his apartment for several days before deciding to try to dump it in "the river."

In fact, there is evidence to suggest Brodnax died the same day he arrived — Nov. 2, which would mean the body had been in the apartment for four days. Although it was clear the body had been moved around the apartment several times, police wouldn't elaborate on Bailey's motives for keeping the body.

The case not only is raising eyebrows but also legal questions about how to prosecute a case when two consenting adults engage in a sex act that turns deadly.

"It's part of the sex act — part of it is causing bodily harm and there's a certain amount of risk. So there's a certain amount of cooperation here apparently, but the question then becomes whether this was beyond consent and whether the individual who survived was doing more than what was consented to," said Peter Erlinder, professor of constitutional criminal law at St. Paul's William Mitchell College of Law.

Though he has no firsthand knowledge of the case, Erlinder speculated that prosecutors might consider either charges of manslaughter or second-degree murder. Manslaughter is defined as death caused by inherently risky behavior; second-degree murder is intentionally causing someone great bodily harm that results in death.

Bailey could be charged as early as today.

While he doesn't have a criminal history, Bailey's alleged involvement in this case has police wondering whether he should be a suspect in other deaths. That said, Laurence emphasized: "There's no indication he was preying on people who weren't willing or that there was something to worry about in the neighborhood. We've never had any calls of him as any kind of predator."

In California, family, friends and co-workers are mourning Brodnax's death. His sister, who did not want to be identified because of the case, said her brother was a devout Catholic and a 29-year employee of United Airlines. He also is survived by his parents and a brother.

[HemlockGrey]

I don't think I *want* to know what he did with the body during those four days...


Tho, that's rather disturbing. You get to sing me to sleep, Shep...

[ViciousMink]

I should point out, that just because he was a sexual dominant and, by society's supposed norms, a perv; does not mean that he was doing anything sexual with said body. I can easily see him going a bit nuts, spending one day waiting for (hoping for) the guy to wake up, another day trying to ignore the guy and trying to carry on, then two days of 'Ohmygodohmygodohmygod' pacing and stationary-panic wondering 'whatmigonnadowhatmigonnado?!?!' He probably broke; he probably (as irrational as it is to someone who didn't just accidentally kill his sex partner) decided 'If I hide the body then I won't get blamed and this won't get out and around, yeah, yeah, nobody'll know, I won't have this hanging over me, oh, and he won't have this hanging over him, either.' The state of mind he was in was probably pretty sad if you think about it.

Normally, I take the position of 'YKIOKIJNMK' ('Your Kink Is OK Its Just Not My Kink') but in any sort of play there needs to be some sort of safety measures. It's possible that Mr. True Master, after 5000 encounters (if that is true) was starting to get complacent, and had been waving off some basic safety measures (such as safewords, safesigns, escape knots, and, oh yes, the basic rule of NO MIND ALTERING SUBSTANCES.) If so, his previous partners are somewhat lucky; nothing bad happened with them. This time, Something Extremely Bad happened.

The actual truth of the matter is, of course, open for speculation by anyone who doesn't have direct access to the facts.

[MKSheppard]

Normally, I take the position of 'YKIOKIJNMK' ('Your Kink Is OK Its Just Not My Kink') but in any sort of play there needs to be some sort of safety measures. It's possible that Mr. True Master, after 5000 encounters (if that is true) was starting to get complacent, and had been waving off some basic safety measures (such as safewords, safesigns, escape knots, and, oh yes, the basic rule of NO MIND ALTERING SUBSTANCES.) If so, his previous partners are somewhat lucky; nothing bad happened with them. This time, Something Extremely Bad happened.

Pretty good summation here. Yea, he probably got complacent.....

SEB sure happened, alright!

[Hyperion]

damn, that's a true "WHAT THE FUCK?!?!" scenario... that is just sick and twisted...

[Darth Wong]

All S&M is sick and twisted. Sexual pleasure is generally derived from rubbing, stroking, licking, etc. of genitals. Beatings and forcible confinement do not normally enter the list.

[haas mark]

All S&M is sick and twisted. Sexual pleasure is generally derived from rubbing, stroking, licking, etc. of genitals. Beatings and forcible confinement do not normally enter the list.

*sigh* Fetishes can be disgusting, yes...

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

All S&M is sick and twisted. Sexual pleasure is generally derived from rubbing, stroking, licking, etc. of genitals. Beatings and forcible confinement do not normally enter the list.

Good! Someone who shares my views about it... Now if only I can get my boyfriend to let me lick his nipples....

[EmperorMing]

The asphyxiation thing is a little too much...

[weemadando]

The asphyxiation thing is a little too much...

I must admit, handcuffs etc and all the other "mild" kinkiness is great, but auto-erotic asphyxiation. Damnit, just play Russian Roulette while jerking off to a German skat film.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

All S&M is sick and twisted. Sexual pleasure is generally derived from rubbing, stroking, licking, etc. of genitals. Beatings and forcible confinement do not normally enter the list.

What about spanking?

[Alan Bolte]

My girlfriend absolutely loves a little bit of choking, even just when kissing (in part because of my age, we haven't gone all that far). I don't have a problem with doing it to her, just as long as I'm in control. I never use mind altering substances more powerful than caffine , ever, and definitely wouldn't then even if I did. I also only use my bare hand, and make sure that I don't do it for more than a few seconds. Never leave a mark, never cut off air long enough for it to even hurt. That's my rule. Just be safe, is all. Stuff like this story is just stupid when it isn't tragic.

Darth Wong, I keep running into these convictions of yours. I begin to wonder how you arrive at them logically. Perhaps I ought to reread your site again. I'll see if I can get to that this weekend.

[EmperorMing]

The asphyxiation thing is a little too much...

I must admit, handcuffs etc and all the other "mild" kinkiness is great, but auto-erotic asphyxiation. Damnit, just play Russian Roulette while jerking off to a German skat film.

My thoughts exactly. Whips, chains, PVC, rubber and leather are fine. If it can kill you then I don't even want to be involved, nuch less anywhere near it...

[ViciousMink]

All S&M is sick and twisted. Sexual pleasure is generally derived from rubbing, stroking, licking, etc. of genitals. Beatings and forcible confinement do not normally enter the list.

I think I can understand where you would get this opinion from. Please correct me if I am misunderstanding, but the concept seems to be, 'If it does not stimulate arousal and therefore an interest in reproduction, then it is not sexual pleasure, and is therefore sick and twisted.' I would be curious, however, as to how you came to your conclusion.

I would not agree that all S&M is 'sick and twisted.' For whatever reason, people develop interests and curiosities about a variety of sexual and sex-related things; some of theses interests remain just that, interests; others fade away; while others develop into fetishes. This does not make those interests 'sick and twisted,' perhaps especially because the persons involved are deriving (often) sexual pleasure from the interaction. Though I would imagine that would be based very much on the culture's mores and morals; there are still many states in the US -- and an article of the Uniform Code of Military Justice! -- where fellatio and cunnilingus is considered illegal; moreover, a hundred years ago, it was considered a damnning offense. <grin> Now, I am not saying that they are still entirely accepted everywhere, but there seems to be a more usual acceptance of them such that they are not entirely considered morally reprehensible. Plus, under the above list of things from which sexual pleasure is derived from, 'licking' is listed -- which would have made most Victorians go pale and start stuttering.

(There is another factor here, however; the media has generally presented kinky sex in a very negative light, c.f. just about any movie about serial killers, particularly The Cell. Thus, anyone who expresses an interest in kinky sex becomes *gasp* a potential serial killer! =/ This is an oversimplificiation on my part, yes; but it is also an over-simplification on the part of the media outlets. It irked me, for example that White Wolf chose to portray the Maeljin of Lust as a dominatrix; aside from being inutterably unoriginal, they pretty much said, right out, that 'kinky sex was the work of the Wyrm.' At least the game In Nomine had some players who introduced the idea of an 'Angel of Kinky Sex', which the SJG writers seemed to like. My apologies for this tangent; this paragraph is really my opinion only.)

It could probably be said (with some validity) that fellatio/cunnilingus do not fall into the same category of 'kinky sex' as BDSM would. And that is (nowadays) true. This was not always the case, however. Why should the other aspects of 'kinky sex' be any different? The participants are enjoying themselves, and are experiencing sexual arousal. Now, I will agree that there are lines that should not be crossed. The BDSM community generally acknowledges these lines as being anything that exceeds Safe, Sane, and Consensual play. Generally, if it falls within these limits, then it's all cool; it may be a case of 'YKIOKIJNMK' but that's still fine.

(That being said, Mr. True Master or whatever he called himself in the article pretty much dropped the ball as far as 'safe' play goes, and probably failed on the 'sane' level, too, depending on conditions. I would hazard a guess that most of his partners were newbies to the BDSM scene, and would not know any better, which makes this all the more sad; I would even further venture to say that anyone who cleaves to the 'Safe, Sane, Consensual' lines would not have had anything to do with this man. 'True Master' sounds more like a self-applied epithet that the media picked up and ran with. And on a personal note, no, this fellow's choice of activity is not one I would enjoy myself, as either top or bottom, not that it should matter to this discussion.)

I am not attempting to start a flamewar, I assure you. My intention is not to invoke offense upon anyone, and I hope that nothing I have said has been taken that way. If it has, please inform me. I also should note that I am perhaps not the best person to debate with; I do very poorly in them, in fact my debating style is considered 'timid' even on the best of days.

[Darth Wong]

All S&M is sick and twisted. Sexual pleasure is generally derived from rubbing, stroking, licking, etc. of genitals. Beatings and forcible confinement do not normally enter the list.

What about spanking?

Light spanking is playful. It does not cause serious pain, leave welts, etc.

[Darth Wong]

All S&M is sick and twisted. Sexual pleasure is generally derived from rubbing, stroking, licking, etc. of genitals. Beatings and forcible confinement do not normally enter the list.

I think I can understand where you would get this opinion from. Please correct me if I am misunderstanding, but the concept seems to be, 'If it does not stimulate arousal and therefore an interest in reproduction, then it is not sexual pleasure, and is therefore sick and twisted.' I would be curious, however, as to how you came to your conclusion.

That was not my conclusion. Sex need not have anything to do with reproduction; it is about pleasure and fun. When it is about infliction of pain, it is obviously no longer about pleasure and fun. It is about people exorcising psychological demons.

For whatever reason, people develop interests and curiosities about a variety of sexual and sex-related things; some of theses interests remain just that, interests; others fade away; while others develop into fetishes.

The fact that something is different does not necessarily make it sick or twisted. But the connection of pain and humiliation to sexual arousal is definitely sick; it indicates some kind of neuroses. It is completely natural and healthy to find pleasure in, well, pleasure. But to deliberately inflict pain on oneself is neither natural or healthy.

Though I would imagine that would be based very much on the culture's mores and morals; there are still many states in the US -- and an article of the Uniform Code of Military Justice! -- where fellatio and cunnilingus is considered illegal; moreover, a hundred years ago, it was considered a damnning offense.

Irrelevant. I have a very open view of sexuality. But pain is a bad thing. Is that so difficult to comprehend? And people who enjoy inflicting or receiving pain need to seek help.

It could probably be said (with some validity) that fellatio/cunnilingus do not fall into the same category of 'kinky sex' as BDSM would. And that is (nowadays) true. This was not always the case, however.

Irrelevant. The fact that some idiots group them together does not change the fact that there are genuine distinctions between sexual fetishes that are merely odd and sexual fetishes that eroticize pain.

Why should the other aspects of 'kinky sex' be any different? The participants are enjoying themselves, and are experiencing sexual arousal. Now, I will agree that there are lines that should not be crossed. The BDSM community generally acknowledges these lines as being anything that exceeds Safe, Sane, and Consensual play. Generally, if it falls within these limits, then it's all cool; it may be a case of 'YKIOKIJNMK' but that's still fine.

Only if it's mere play-acting. If there is genuine pain involved (as with hardcore "erotic asphyxiation" which is inherently dangerous), we are looking at some kind of destructive neurosis.

BDSM should not be lumped together. B&D may be just harmless play-acting. S&M is defined as infliction or reception of pain; it is sick.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

All S&M is sick and twisted. Sexual pleasure is generally derived from rubbing, stroking, licking, etc. of genitals. Beatings and forcible confinement do not normally enter the list.

What about spanking?

Light spanking is playful. It does not cause serious pain, leave welts, etc.

Did you see Scrubs last week, with Heather Locklear's self spanking?

[Tosho]

Actually Wong it is my experience that most kinds of pain (consensual pain that is) in addition to slight pain there is a much greater feeling of pleasure.

your local masochist,

Tosho.

[ViciousMink]

I think I can understand where you would get this opinion from. Please correct me if I am misunderstanding, but the concept seems to be, 'If it does not stimulate arousal and therefore an interest in reproduction, then it is not sexual pleasure, and is therefore sick and twisted.' I would be curious, however, as to how you came to your conclusion.

That was not my conclusion. Sex need not have anything to do with reproduction; it is about pleasure and fun. When it is about infliction of pain, it is obviously no longer about pleasure and fun. It is about people exorcising psychological demons.

Ah, thank you for the clarification, Michael! That's an important distinction, thank you for correcting me.

Irrelevant. (....)

Irrelevant. (....)

Point(s) taken; you are correct, what I had mentioned did not have relevance to S&M.

BDSM should not be lumped together. B&D may be just harmless play-acting. S&M is defined as infliction or reception of pain; it is sick.

No contest; though I would agree in that in this discussion a distinction should be made between the two.

(Trivia: "BDSM" is a multi-use term; it encompasses a variety of things, B&D (bondage and discipline), D/s (dominance and submission) and S&M (sadism & masochism).)

As I'd said earlier, I'm a poor debater. I'm not attempting to start a debate or flamefest or anything of the sort, in fact my questions/curiosity has been assuaged.

[Darth Wong]

Did you see Scrubs last week, with Heather Locklear's self spanking?

WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE TELL ME THAT THIS WAS ON TV???

[Durandal]

I dunno, a little biting, even to the point of drawing blood, can make the experience just that much more intense, provided neither of the participants mind.

[Slartibartfast]

What about spanking?

Light spanking is playful. It does not cause serious pain, leave welts, etc.

Did you see Scrubs last week, with Heather Locklear's self spanking?

Must see that! How far that is that into the series? This week they just showed the second season first episode.

[Alan Bolte]

The thing of it is, pain is, to an extent, a normal part of sexual and related forms of pleasure. It may just be a muscle ache, but it's there. Now, inflicting pain on others, yes, I agree that's an indication of psycological problems, not counting when someone's pleasure at pain brings you pleasure. And if your own pleasure is quite clearly serious pain and not playful than you may have have mental problems too, and most definitely so if injury past normal bruising occurs. But there is always a certain extent to which there is barely noticible pain that is covered up by closely related pleasure. Biting, for example, is inherently painfull, but when a person is excited something more noticible than a kiss or lick is, well, more fun. I personally would like to avoid involving blood, but maybe I'm just squeemish.

Just my too cents. Not that I really have much experience to base this off of...

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Did you see Scrubs last week, with Heather Locklear's self spanking?

WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE TELL ME THAT THIS WAS ON TV???

Do you have a good news server. It's still on easynews.

Look for:
Scrubs - S02E07 - My First Step

And because it's digital and not on tape you won't wear it out by watching the 30 seconds starting at 12:47 over and over again.

On a side note, she's also on the next episode:
Scrubs - S02E08 - My Fruit Cups