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Re: But what if you are wrong?

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Tron wrote:I have seen quite a few of you "open minded" scientific types proclaim that there is no God.

My question to all of you is this: "What if you are wrong? What will you say to Him on Judgement Day?"


Just curious.


Probably along the lines of "Fuck you."
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Darth Wong wrote:We're all better than the Biblical God. None of us are genocidal mass-murderers AFAIK.


Um yeah...*wistles*


Hell's sounding pretty good. Eternity with boring god vs. enternity with lesbians and saunas... :D
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And then there's the Viking version of the afterlife, which is (oddly enough) called Hel. (Also the name of the chick who runs the place.) Hel is where you go if you lived a decent life, didn't go out of your way to fuck people over, but didn't do anything particularly noteworthy. You pretty much do what you want, have what you want (granted that people who want to hurt people end up somewhere else; get to that in a minute) and everything's pretty much peachy.

Then there's Valhalla -- this is where you go if you were an okay guy (or gal) who died violently (battle, duel, sex, whatever). This is the place where the Einheriar (that'd be you) practice combat during the day and get rewarded with hedonism, drinking, feasting and other party favors by night until Ragnarok.

The place you really don't want to end up is Niflhel, which is part of Hel, but where instead of flames and sulphur, it's a blizzard. You're stuck outside in the blizzard (probably not in anything comfy from Sears) and you can smell wooksmoke, see the occasional light from a house and hear other people around you, but you can never get to shelter out of the cold.

I'd love to go to Hel. If it were real. So I'm kinda hoping it is.
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Okay, Raoul Duke, you reminded me...

"After a night of heavy partying in Valhalla, the thunder god Thor drifted off to a drunken, exhauseted sleep. He slept through the night and woke up the next morning, as other denizens of the afterlife were just beginning to stir."

"Thor still had a bit of a buzz going, and as he staggered to his feet he saw a beautiful Valkyrie pick herself up from the floor and wrap a cloak around her gorgeous, pale body. Thor staggered over to her and smiled."

"'Hi,' he said, introducing himself, 'I'm Thor'"

"'You're Thor?' the Valkyrie groaned, 'I'm tho thor I can hardly pith!'"


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Um yeah...*wistles*
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Actually, i'm serious about the 'is it God or Satan?' thing. There is not way to distinguish from the bible. obvisously, since the evidence of god and Satan are self-contained solely eithin it, it's either the true portrayal of a liar or a liar's portayal of the truth. either would look identical to eachother if you compared them.

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Tron wrote:I have seen quite a few of you "open minded" scientific types proclaim that there is no God.

My question to all of you is this: "What if you are wrong? What will you say to Him on Judgement Day?"


Just curious.
The Christian God?

I'd manifest a Gauntlet, metal, possibly titanium, and bitchslap him. "I challenge you to combat. Three strikes with a blade. Winner takes Throne Of Heaven, loser is obliterated." At that point, what, exactly, have I got to lose? Ceasing to exist is probably better than Hell.

Of course, as others have say, why MUST it be your God? It could just as easily be another dozen from different pantheons. And they throw far superior parties(So I would be less likely to fight them for Absolute Power, at least, until I've had a few drinks).

Of course, why stop there? Why couldn't it turn out to be me as the ultimate divinity in the end? Or Mike? Plenty of people(Albeit misguided) seem to think Mike is infallible, a quality of several deities. But that's getting into my Many Gods hypothesis, something for another day....
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If there is a god (or some super thing that made us all) I would look up and ask the one question we all need to know.......WHY?

Why the killings
why the wars
why the deaths
why did you let it happen
why did you make us
why should we follow you
why are some priest bad
why why why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Could always go drinking with "god" and plan a whole new age of agony such that would shame the first biblical times... but since I don't believe in either, biblical times or the chistian god I shouldn't have to worry
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I'd ask "are you the god from the Bible"
"No"
"Yes"
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Mr Bean wrote:
Um yeah...*wistles*
GAT! What did I tell you about that


Like you should talk :D



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Actually, i'm serious about the 'is it God or Satan?' thing. There is not way to distinguish from the bible.
There is pretty much a reason for that. The Satan, adversary of God is a christian make up. The hebrews, and the bible, the OT mostly is about them, are not that naive to believe that a God like theirs - the Omnipotent and all - have anything that could have been a adversary. They believed in other spirits, other cultures gods, etc that would interfere with them but not in someone in the way we have today - a duality between those. Of course, when handling dualities we often find many similaraties. So the Bible is the probally worse place to look after for the christians beliefs...
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lgot wrote:
Actually, i'm serious about the 'is it God or Satan?' thing. There is not way to distinguish from the bible.
There is pretty much a reason for that. The Satan, adversary of God is a christian make up. The hebrews, and the bible, the OT mostly is about them, are not that naive to believe that a God like theirs - the Omnipotent and all - have anything that could have been a adversary. They believed in other spirits, other cultures gods, etc that would interfere with them but not in someone in the way we have today - a duality between those. Of course, when handling dualities we often find many similaraties. So the Bible is the probally worse place to look after for the christians beliefs...
And Solomon knew Yahweh wasn't the only deity, that's why he had a temple built near Jerusalem in honor of Ashtoreth, God's freaking wife (wonder if they tell that to fundies). Modern religion is nothing more than a trend towards simplification of mythology and complexity of theology, in light of improvement in writing skills, larger, more efficient instituions, and philosophical concepts such as 'infinite perfection.' God was never originally all-powerful, knowing, or loving; he was just bigger than us, like all the other Canaanite deities, and we here his to subject and be observed. Fundementalist Protestants have screwed the whole thing even further by thowing away the Talmudic legends, the Apocrypha, and all the other supportive scripture, in favor of the cult worship of the Canon exclusively.

I don't know why i even bother arguing about religion these days. Sure, I'm a longshot abouve the sophmoric "hi God, I don't believe in you" atheistic arguments, but one of these days I'm just going to drop all attachment from the bible's validity (you've got to admit; alot of us nit-pick individual parts of the bible simply 'casue we're so damned used to the idea of religon in this Christian-dominated society) and simply put its words' on the same level as pure fiction.

Actually, I'm pretty damn close to that point now, so try not to push me if you don't want me asking 'why does that amount to anything valid?' to everything god supposedly says. Or do so, if you want.

I must be tired, I'm thinking aloud. :shock:
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